That's not the way I recall you proffering the Pujols/Lee 2005 situation, but I've had a couple cocktails.

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Thats your opinion. You state it like its a fact. He was good. He's still good. Its not crazy to suggest he's not at his best. Vin Scully is not at his best either.



No I remember it. I remember a lot of people saying Derrek Lee was having a better year that year. There's nothing wrong with that. The numbers and the eye test bore it out at the time.

If one or two morons said Lee was actually better than Pujols then their idiots. I dont know why you would insinuate "Cub fans" when it was a tiny percentage of idiots.

I once heard a sox fan suggest Buehrle should be the closer. Im not gonna talk about it five years later as if it was a major uproar among fans.


Not liking Stone is not saying he's a bad announcer. Noboby likes a guy to go out of his way to constantly rip their team whether theyre good or not.


I guess we just disagree on Stone. But I dont think the Cub fans soured on Stone over his announcing, I think its him being a jag off on the SCORE

If you think it's "aggressive" for me to post that anyone saying that Pujols was not as good as Lee is a moron in 2011, or in 2005 or any year really then I guess you're going to find a ton of aggressive stuff on this board. I thought we were having a conversation about baseball and morons who may or may not have said what you said they did (which I doubted... I've never heard that from anyone but you, but that's cool).

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Lee had a better year than Pujols in 05. Nothing wrong with pointing out he was having a better year at the time.

That's a statement I could back. It would require the caveat, "that year".

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I think it's aggressive for you to say shit like "who gives a shit about your analogy" and "smells like ass". When you do that, you're going to get "go fuck yourself" back from me. You've got a couple choices. Don't come at me like a douchebag or don't get sensitive when I tell you to go fuck yourself. That should be real simple for a board elder like yourself to understand.

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What the hell?

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Of course it's my opinion. Regardless, he isn't any different than he's ever been. If you say he was good then and he's good now, we may disagree, but it's not hypocritical bullshit. I don't think you can honestly say there aren't a whole bunch of Cub fans here who have turned on Stone. They sound like spurned lovers.

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Stone has sounded like a spurned lover for years now.

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I explained my theory for that and agreed with it in the post you quoted (you didnt quote that part)


If Vin Scully left the Dodgers and signed with the Angels and went on the radio every week ripping the Dodgers, they'd hate him too.

Im not sure whats so crazy about that.

Stone ripped the Cubs when he was there. That's exactly why he no longer is. But you've finally gotten to exactly what I've been saying. Cub fans don't hate Stone because he's any different. They hate him because he's no longer a Cub. He didn't get dumber when he left.

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Joe, remember when stone worked for ESPN as an analyst? He sucked and they didn't re-new his contract. National audience thought he was awful. I agree with them. Over-rated is an understatement regarding stone.

Not even close

He was unbiased and didnt pull punches. Thats fine.

Since he left he's been celebrating anything negative that happens to the Cubs.

Not the same thing

That's the heart of argument right there. I think you and other Cub fans just heard it differently when he was "one of you".

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road rod i disagree...stone was very involved and on top of his game with the cubs..hawk has sucked the life out of him and i can't blame him.

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My problem with Stone is not that he was critical of the Cub when he announced for them or that he clearly seems to twist the dagger now when he gives his opinions on them. Its that he doesnt do the same to the Sox when broadcasting or when asked his opinions on them.

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During the game he does it, albeit to a lesser degree than when he was with the Cubs.

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Predicting a pitching/play situation is the aspect of him as a broadcaster that I respected. Up to a point he was almost uncanny, then he let things get personal. If he wanted to be a GM there were other opportunities aside from lobbying for the Cub job from the broadcast booth.

As a Score expert he is a one trick pony, Cub bashing. Anything else about MLB he'll all but admit he doesn't see/know, or he recites ESPN.

Working with Hawk almost makes me have a degree of sympathy for him. Harrelson's cornpone act has grown so worn and tired that it has become a "spin the wheel of cliches" to describe a game. How can a color man want to talk when he's being set up with references that date back to when he was playing little league? The requisite fellating of Mantle and "Yaz" or identifying one of the current players on this .500 team as the best he's seen at doing something leaves no room for discussion. There isn't a broadcast booth big enough for anyone working with Hawk and to see he and stone sit while touching opposing walls in a booth is illustrative of this.

Jerry Reinsdorf likes it this way with his teams, blatant homerism with a heaping helping of corn. It's why Ed Farmer makes my ears bleed. Why Stacy King has gone from being a credible coach/analyst to a bojangling fool. Why Bill Wennington has become a poor man's imitation of King. Why a Jim Durham can go to the Hall of Fame after being let go by Reinsdorf.