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 Post subject: Re: The O'McKnight Show
PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:34 am 
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good dolphin wrote:
I think he'd be great on a station like 890 although he would have to betray his political ideologies. On the other hand, he might be even more popular if he was on that station as the raging liberal.

I totally agree. Bernstein vs the (forced by the station ) right leaning hosts would be great.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 9:43 am 
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The Mike North & Dan Bernstein show would be pretty interesting IMO.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:17 pm 
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good dolphin wrote:
I think he'd be great on a station like 890 although he would have to betray his political ideologies. On the other hand, he might be even more popular if he was on that station as the raging liberal.

Bernstein seems to be liberal the way NPR is liberal: "whatever keeps my friends and I busy is good policy" met with support for liberal concepts if not their practices and practitioners, plus, of course, the requisite bohemian-bourgeois cultural elitism. No one who says something as let-them-eat-cake as "try occupying a job" is a raging liberal. Raging dickhead, you can make an argument for; liberal, not so much.

Incidentally, this is much less a commentary on what may or may not be Bernsie's political leanings than it is a springboard for one on the real editorial biases of so-called "SOCIALIST~! bastion" NPR. I get peals of laughter from the O'HanniRush contingent that thinks sweet old Morning Edition is the Pravda of the airwaves when their interests really lie in a vigorous public-private combine that Democrats and Republicans alike seem perfectly amenable to. A news bureau funded by giant corporations, headquartered in Washington, wants big companies to do business with the government? I know, right?

Disclosure: I like Dan Bernstein and NPR way more than genuine leftism :(

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:10 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:49 pm 
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How long you guys think the B&B show will continue? Will Bernsie always have the slot?


Bernstein will be there as long as he wants. If he leaves it's cuz he found something better. After hearing Boers lately, it sounds like he wants to do this for a few more years. Why the hell not? He makes at least 400k, works at home and isn't required to put in any effort - he has it good. It's just a matter of if Zimmerman wants to fire him or not. He might and just let Berntein go solo. That would save the station money.


Berns cant find anything better. No one wants to hire him. If Mitch leaves, Bernsie is at risk. What ever Bernsies next job is will not allow him to be the insensitive jagoff that he is on the Score.





i think berns thinks that he can pull off what north failed at..sports show with more news/politics and what not..i dunno if he can or can't...but i think he will eventually try,,berns believes he is above just sports.

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 Post subject: Re: The O'McKnight Show
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 1:38 pm 
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This blatant promotional announcement...The "JoeO & Cons Show" airs tonight 10p-2a on 670 The SCORE & 670thescore.com. With Laurence Holmes continuing to sub for Matt Spiegel middays with Dan McNeil, Zach Zaidman fills in tonight on the evening SCORE starting at 6p. You've been warned.


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 Post subject: Re: The O'McKnight Show
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:08 pm 
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Developing talent? No. Not important to the Score. It's a cost effective business model for the station the way they do it.

1. These producers are hired in their 20s. It's a fun, easy, cool job. Doesn't pay much but what the hell? These kids are just thinking about drinking, watching sports and trying to get laid at this point. They're all naive in thinking that they will be the next radio star in a line of work that is very limited. Never mind that they can't speak and aren't very smart. Never mind that they really aren't qualified based on lack of education or broadcasting skills. These small details never enter their mind as they're crying about air time. They're not very self aware.

2. The Score knows these producers are dumb and will stay for low pay with the unrealistic hope of being a radio star. They use that against them.

3. Years go by and these producers are stuck. Tough to switch careers at this point. Raido producer at the Score is such a unique job that it doesn't help you in any other line of work. Filling out a resume that says you answer phones and play racist sound bites doesn't help you get hired else where. For all of them, it's advance at the Score or nothing.

4. So now these guys are looking to get married and have kids. They realize "Shit, I need money and this radio shit is all I know" (1.) The wife is pissed at them or (2.) they can't even get a wife without money. They beg Mitch for something extra for any amount of money. Mitch throws them part time shifts, "expert titles" and bar appearances in addition to their producing job. They take it. If they bitch about the pay, Mitch fires them and gives it to the next dumb ass desperate producer.

5. The Score doesn't care who's hosting these weekend or night shifts. Ad rates are the same no matter who it is. So they don't need to develop talent. It doesn't matter. That's why they split it up amongst producers. They want to give a little taste to 4 or 5 producers to keep them around and thinking they will be the next star. That way they always have somone to fill a shift and they keep experienced producers. If and when a prime time slot opens they won't hire these producers. Hell no. They'll hire a writer (Mully and Hanley), a retread from the market (Mac), a radio vet from another market (Spiegs) or an ex pro athlete (Hamp, Norm, Buffone). Too big of a job to give it to these producers. Most GMs and PDs are not gonna trust giving this job to a producer unless they really stand out. Most don't stand out. Rarely happens in this business.

That's how your Score 670 works ladies and gentlemen. It's the dirty side of the business that the Score won't talk about as they celebrate 20 years.


I forgot -- what show did you work for? Bear and the Bull?

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 Post subject: Re: The O'McKnight Show
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:21 pm 
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i want to join in the parade of props for beardown. that oft-quoted post that breaks down "the great 670-the-score producer dream" is on point like [insert simile here]

last night during tranny between bat amattacola and the wonder bread variety hour, i think mr. "YOU CAN'T TALK ABOUT SOMETHING IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT" drinky said something like when he started as a score producer he was told that he'd start at "twenty-five" and when he was like "well ok $25000/yr is what it is, sure it sucks, but i'll work another job and blah blah blah" he quickly found out that "twenty-five" meant $20,500/yr and basically he took a de-facto/veritable $4500/year paycut within the matter of a split second.

$20,500/year before taxes? wow. just wow. let's do the math here, if you had a straightup 40hr/week workweek and got your two weeks of vacation, you're talking 50 weeks * 40 hours = 2000. divide 20,500 by that 2000 and you get $10.25/hr, which is like entry-level work wherever you go. when i go to temp services and type 100+wpm with <1% error i get offered hourly wages like that, and this is in a situation where i'm doing utterly disposable work with no collegiate degree required and something like a less-than-5% chance of having ANY sort of "career" spawn out of it (i.e. the company loves me so much they're enamored and buy me out from the temp service then i work for them and work my way up thru the company)

so to have a "destination" job where you START at $20,500 and then you're salaried, so even if you pull a rare/ish ~50+ hour week it's all for naught, man.... i think kurtis blow wrote a song for y'all on that one.

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 Post subject: Re: The O'McKnight Show
PostPosted: Fri Jan 20, 2012 11:33 pm 
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No, I think I'm right.

Give it a try with that context.



No, I think I'm wrong.

Although I suspect that Joe says "obviously" and "everrrrr" frequently. That could be a tell.

Also, I noticed that Connor is addressing "Joe" more often. Smart.

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 Post subject: Re: The O'McKnight Show
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 8:46 am 
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
No, I think I'm right.

Give it a try with that context.



No, I think I'm wrong.

Although I suspect that Joe says "obviously" and "everrrrr" frequently. That could be a tell.

Also, I noticed that Connor is addressing "Joe" more often. Smart.

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 Post subject: Re: The O'McKnight Show
PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 9:32 am 
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I was listening to drinky and really having a hard time determining if it was Connor or Joe sitting in with him. It took me about 5 minutes before I was pretty sure it was Connor.

But, I was wrong.

It was Adam Hoge.

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 Post subject: Re: The O'McKnight Show
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I was listening to drinky and really having a hard time determining if it was Connor or Joe sitting in with him. It took me about 5 minutes before I was pretty sure it was Connor.

But, I was wrong.

It was Adam Hoge.

And that wasnt Drinky. It was Maya Gavin :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: The O'McKnight Show
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I was listening to drinky and really having a hard time determining if it was Connor or Joe sitting in with him. It took me about 5 minutes before I was pretty sure it was Connor.

But, I was wrong.

It was Adam Hoge.

For the record, Adam Hoge used to be a SCORE producer. He's now the Webmaster for 670thescore.com's page on CBSchicago.com, the Web site WSCR now shares with 780 AM WBBM & 105.9 FM WCFS & CBS2 Chicago. I think Abbatacola & Hoge were talking about another disturbing story, this one at the University of Wisconsin, when I tuned in after the Pacers beat the Bulls at their own defensive game the other night.


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