billypootons wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
So they are breaking even this season then.
so all it takes to break even is a historically good cubs season? sounds like a good deal
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| Author: | Tad Queasy [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ ... story.html With the Cubs headed to the playoffs, riding the best record in baseball and favored to end a centurylong World Series drought, it's been a pretty good rookie season for new radio partner WSCR-AM 670. The CBS-owned sports station is generating record ratings and revenue, and prepping for a potentially historic postseason run as the only Chicago station — radio or TV — to call the Cubs' championship quest. Heady days for WSCR, better known as The Score, which launched nearly 25 years ago as a low-powered station whose license required it shut down at sunset each night. "If the Cubs go all the way and win the World Series, that final call is going to live forever," said Mitch Rosen, 49, operations director of The Score. "Imagine Pat Hughes saying the Chicago Cubs have won the World Series — what a story, both for the Cubs and this radio station." The Score is doing everything it can to leverage the potentially historic playoff run. Rosen held a staff planning meeting last week as the Cubs closed in on the division title. The anticlimactic clincher — the Cubs lost Thursday night to the Brewers, but won the title 90 minutes later when the Cardinals lost in San Francisco — was among the scenarios discussed. "As soon as the Cardinals lost, we kicked into our clinching coverage," Rosen said. "We had a live host taking calls from Cubs fans until 5 a.m." Neither the Cubs nor The Score have a clear path to the championship. Despite paying about $10 million per year for exclusive local broadcast rights, WSCR won't be the only Chicago radio station carrying the Cubs throughout the playoffs, with WMVP-AM 1000 set to air the national broadcasts. Last year, the ESPN-owned station siphoned "hundreds of thousands" of listeners from WBBM during the Cubs playoff run, according to WMVP program director Adam Delevitt. WMVP is "all in" trying steal The Score's thunder, promoting the upcoming playoffs, selling advertising packages and pitching its broadcasts as an alternative to the home team call, Delevitt said. Delevitt also is counting on confusion over the changing frequencies of Cubs radio partners to snare some listeners, noting fans still call WMVP to ask about White Sox games, even though the team hasn't aired on the station since 2005. Most Cubs fans, however, likely will tune into the team's flagship station for the home broadcast. From the dawn of radio until two years ago, that call belonged to WGN-AM 720. WGN began airing Cubs baseball in 1925, documenting 90 years of futility for generations of fans. In 2014, CBS Radio outbid WGN and struck a seven-year rights deal with the team, offering about $10 million per year and the marketing power of its six-station Chicago cluster. The Cubs aired on news station WBBM-AM for the 2015 season, and shifted to WSCR this year after the sports station parted ways with the White Sox. Moving the team to its third radio station in three years was part of the plan, according to Crane Kenney, president of business operations for the Cubs. But broadcasting the Cubs in the World Series this fall would be ahead of plan, for the station and the team. In 2009, the Ricketts family bought the Cubs and Wrigley Field from Tribune Co. (now Tribune Media) in an $845 million deal. The new owners launched a long-term plan to renovate the club and the century-old ballpark, with little visible progress for years. The team averaged 96 losses per season from 2011 to 2013 while stocking the farm system with young talent. It was a prodigious stretch of losing — even for the Cubs — and translated to lower ratings and advertising dollars for WGN's radio broadcasts, which station executives said were losing millions of dollars per year. "It's easy today to say, well, it's kind of a no-brainer to (acquire) the Cubs rights," Kenney said. "It wasn't so much of a no-brainer back when the deal was done." The Cubs won 73 games during the 2014 season, the last with WGN-AM. In 2015, the team won 97 regular season games and made it to the National League Championship Series, boosting ratings and revenue for WBBM-AM. This season, the Cubs have catapulted The Score's audience into the top 10 among Chicago radio stations. The station averaged a 3.8 share from April to September, according to Nielsen, nearly doubling its 2.1 share during the same period last year. "The increase in audience year-to-year has been great," said Rosen. "It's the best marketing campaign a station like The Score can have, because you have this influx of people coming in to sample your station." The growing revenue impact also has been traveling with the Cubs from station to station over the last three seasons. WGN saw revenue drop from $29.3 million in 2014 to $25.5 million in 2015, according to BIA/Kelsey, a Virginia-based advertising research firm, while WBBM's year-over-year revenue increased from $39.2 million to $43.8 million after getting the Cubs. Financial figures for 2016 have not been released, but industry sources say The Score will bring in about $10 million in Cubs play-by-play revenue this season. WGN was generating about $5.5 million in revenue two years ago with the Cubs broadcasts, sources said. Major Cubs radio advertisers this year include Menards, Comcast and Nuveen Investments. Despite lower ratings and revenue, WGN has improved its balance sheet since losing the Cubs, according to WGN President Jimmy de Castro. "We weren't profitable, and we're very profitable now," de Castro said. In addition to the $10 million rights fees, The Score has to pay the play-by-play team of Pat Hughes and Ron Coomer, along with engineering, marketing and sales expenses. Rosen declined to comment on whether The Score was in the black with the broadcasts. Rod Zimmerman, the former market manager of CBS Radio Chicago who helped engineer the Cubs deal, was ousted in a management shake-up in January. Some industry sources point to the cost of the Cubs broadcast rights as leading to his exit, but Zimmerman stands by the deal as a winner for CBS. "I do believe that this is going to be probably the most valuable play-by-play sports franchise in all of sports over the next five years," Zimmerman said. A Skokie native, Rosen started as an intern at WGN in 1988, and was hired the following year as producer of the Eddie Schwartz overnight show. When Schwartz left WGN for WLUP-AM 1000 in 1992, Rosen went with him. After a brief run as general manager of the Chicago Rockers of the Continental Basketball Association, Rosen returned to Chicago radio in 1997 as program director of nascent sports station WMVP. In 2005, Rosen switched teams, joining the Score as program director, missing out as his former station broadcast the White Sox championship season. Rosen helped lure the Sox to The Score the following year. He missed out on another championship season when the Blackhawks left The Score for WGN after the 2007-2008 season. Two years later, the team won its first Stanley Cup in nearly 50 years. Winning a Cubs championship may be a bit of broadcast payback. "We carried the Blackhawks for eight years, through the tough times," Rosen said. "We've had that feeling in the past." rchannick@chicagotribune.com Twitter @RobertChannick Copyright © 2016, Chicago Tribune Kind of funny that people still call AM1000 asking about the White Sox broadcast 11 years after they stopped carrying the games. Is it common for the station carrying the games to pay the salaries of the broadcast team? |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
Quote: WGN saw revenue drop from $29.3 million in 2014 to $25.5 million in 2015, according to BIA/Kelsey, a Virginia-based advertising research firm, while WBBM's year-over-year revenue increased from $39.2 million to $43.8 million after getting the Cubs. Quote: In addition to the $10 million rights fees, The Score has to pay the play-by-play team of Pat Hughes and Ron Coomer, along with engineering, marketing and sales expenses. Quote: Financial figures for 2016 have not been released, but industry sources say The Score will bring in about $10 million in Cubs play-by-play revenue this season. "Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR" Uh, what? |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:23 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
So they are breaking even this season then. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 7:26 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
No. If they are paying the announcers and production costs they are losing money. But they can use it as a loss leader to bring more idiots into B&B's show. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
Mitch has to be the oldest 49 year old on this planet |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:25 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
"Rosen declined to comment on whether The Score was in the black with the broadcasts." Enough said. But $10M? No wonder Rod finally got whacked. |
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| Author: | billypootons [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: So they are breaking even this season then. so all it takes to break even is a historically good cubs season? sounds like a good deal |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
Wscr is a traitor station |
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| Author: | Brick [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
billypootons wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: So they are breaking even this season then. so all it takes to break even is a historically good cubs season? sounds like a good deal
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:52 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
you all just don't get it. the synergies from cross-platform utilization is a game changing disruption to the baseball radio broadcasts for cbs. this deal is a clear win-win for all parties |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 9:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
Kirkwood wrote: you all just don't get it. the synergies from cross-platform utilization is a game changing disruption to the baseball radio broadcasts for cbs. this deal is a clear win-win for all parties The limits of the male ego in the corporate world know no bounds or reason. The Cubs get cross promoted across numerous stations on CBS, while the Score loses money for only one station. Such a deal. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
The article said the Score pays 10 million per yer for the Cubs and the estimated ad revenue was 10 million. Plus the Score has to pay Pat, Ron, Grote, the engineer and producers. Pat and Ron have to be 200k plus. Pat probably makes more than Ron. Plus they have to pay for marketing and sales departments. So the SCORE is in the black on this deal despite Mitch not wanting to comment on it. Bernstein is upset. He thought this was a REALLY SMART DEAL BY REALLY SMART PEOPLE. By the way, Mitch's non answer was the answer. If they weren't in the black, he wouldn't say "No comment." to that question.
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
Beardown wrote: The article said the Score pays 10 million per yer for the Cubs and the estimated ad revenue was 10 million. Plus the Score has to pay Pat, Ron, Grote, the engineer and producers. Pat and Ron have to be 200k plus. Pat probably makes more than Ron. So the SCORE is in the black on this deal despite Mitch not wanting to comment on it. Bernstein is upset. He thought this was a REALLY SMART DEAL BY REALLY SMART PEOPLE. By the way, Mitch's non answer was the answer. If they weren't in the black, he wouldn't say "No comment." "You don't know what being in the black means, do you?" Good to see that you are consistent in what you comment on though. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
You're right. I got it confused. Black is positive. Yes. I mis wrote it. Sorry. My point still remains. Mitch would have said "Hell yeah, we're in the black" if they were. But he said no comment. So they lost this year. |
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| Author: | ZephMarshack [ Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
Is it really a surprise Beardown has a hard time connecting blackness with any thing positive? Bernstein:  Goff: Beardown: 
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Wed Sep 21, 2016 11:24 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
ZephMarshack wrote: Is it really a surprise Beardown has a hard time connecting blackness with any thing positive? Still waiting for this ball to land in the seats, damn. |
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| Author: | Godfella [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
Beardown wrote: The article said the Score pays 10 million per yer for the Cubs and the estimated ad revenue was 10 million. Plus the Score has to pay Pat, Ron, Grote, the engineer and producers. Pat and Ron have to be 200k plus. Pat probably makes more than Ron. Plus they have to pay for marketing and sales departments. I wonder who foots the travel and lodging bill for Pat, Ron, Grote and other necessary road production personnel? That itself has to be a small fortune? |
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| Author: | Brick [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:10 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
The Cubs screwed WSCR so bad in this deal that Billy Beane even feels bad for them. |
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| Author: | Kirkwood [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:22 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
Beardown wrote: The article said the Score pays 10 million per yer for the Cubs and the estimated ad revenue was 10 million. Plus the Score has to pay Pat, Ron, Grote, the engineer and producers. Pat and Ron have to be 200k plus. Pat probably makes more than Ron. Plus they have to pay for marketing and sales departments. So the SCORE is in the black on this deal despite Mitch not wanting to comment on it. Bernstein is upset. He thought this was a REALLY SMART DEAL BY REALLY SMART PEOPLE. By the way, Mitch's non answer was the answer. If they weren't in the black, he wouldn't say "No comment." to that question. Another added expense I imagine is the host bonuses (not that it's huge but it's something). I remember listening to Mac and he'd share some of his bonus with producers from hitting rating targets. The Cubs have goosed up SCR's ratings for their morning - drive shows, right? Those guys get bonuses for having X.XX ratings? That's a shitty compensation design as you have to pay bonuses to on-air talent that has done jack shit in contributing to their ratings. The biggest reason I think those guys were so excited when the Cubs came along is they saw increased compensation without having to lift a finger. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
Kirkwood wrote: Beardown wrote: The article said the Score pays 10 million per yer for the Cubs and the estimated ad revenue was 10 million. Plus the Score has to pay Pat, Ron, Grote, the engineer and producers. Pat and Ron have to be 200k plus. Pat probably makes more than Ron. Plus they have to pay for marketing and sales departments. So the SCORE is in the black on this deal despite Mitch not wanting to comment on it. Bernstein is upset. He thought this was a REALLY SMART DEAL BY REALLY SMART PEOPLE. By the way, Mitch's non answer was the answer. If they weren't in the black, he wouldn't say "No comment." to that question. Another added expense I imagine is the host bonuses (not that it's huge but it's something). I remember listening to Mac and he'd share some of his bonus with producers from hitting rating targets. The Cubs have goosed up SCR's ratings for their morning - drive shows, right? Those guys get bonuses for having X.XX ratings? That's a shitty compensation design as you have to pay bonuses to on-air talent that has done jack shit in contributing to their ratings. The biggest reason I think those guys were so excited when the Cubs came along is they saw increased compensation without having to lift a finger. |
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| Author: | Juice's Lecture Notes [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:48 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
Kirkwood wrote: Beardown wrote: The article said the Score pays 10 million per yer for the Cubs and the estimated ad revenue was 10 million. Plus the Score has to pay Pat, Ron, Grote, the engineer and producers. Pat and Ron have to be 200k plus. Pat probably makes more than Ron. Plus they have to pay for marketing and sales departments. So the SCORE is in the black on this deal despite Mitch not wanting to comment on it. Bernstein is upset. He thought this was a REALLY SMART DEAL BY REALLY SMART PEOPLE. By the way, Mitch's non answer was the answer. If they weren't in the black, he wouldn't say "No comment." to that question. Another added expense I imagine is the host bonuses (not that it's huge but it's something). I remember listening to Mac and he'd share some of his bonus with producers from hitting rating targets. The Cubs have goosed up SCR's ratings for their morning - drive shows, right? Those guys get bonuses for having X.XX ratings? That's a shitty compensation design as you have to pay bonuses to on-air talent that has done jack shit in contributing to their ratings. The biggest reason I think those guys were so excited when the Cubs came along is they saw increased compensation without having to lift a finger. I talked with a radio consultant awhile back, and he told me about a station that was super-excited to be broadcasting Carolina Panthers games in the area this season. He said everyone at the station was partying like they had just won the lottery, but he was shaking his head, "it's just not a money-maker" he said. Bear in mind, this station was merely piping in a ready-made production, so cost was minimal. I can only imagine that paying for the exclusive broadcast rights of one of the most recognizable sports organizations on the planet, right before they are set to make a historic playoff push is a dubious business move, perhaps trumped only by paying for the rights after a team won the championship in their league...oh wait. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 10:59 am ] |
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When the Blackhawks moved from the Score to WGN in 2008, I believe they went from buying their airtime to splitting the ad revenue with the station. That probably ended up being good for everyone. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:03 am ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: The Cubs screwed WSCR so bad in this deal that Billy Beane even feels bad for them. The Score was bidding against itself once the rights went past $6M. They did this to themselves. |
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| Author: | 312player [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:03 am ] |
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It says that the Score will bring in ten million in play by play revenue ..so that 10 mill covers the 10 million to broadcast rights...so the Score is only paying the salary of Hughes,Coomer and Grote and they nearly doubled their audience..I gotta assume they are bringing in more advertising revenue now that they increased their listeners. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 11:15 am ] |
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312player wrote: It says that the Score will bring in ten million in play by play revenue ..so that 10 mill covers the 10 million to broadcast rights...so the Score is only paying the salary of Hughes,Coomer and Grote and they nearly doubled their audience..I gotta assume they are bringing in more advertising revenue now that they increased their listeners. The vast majority of new listeners are for Cubs broadcasts. The Score did $24.8M last year in ad revenue. With the Cubs in 2016, they will need to do at least $36M to stay static in ad revenue. |
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| Author: | Wanderer [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 12:21 pm ] |
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I listen to a Cubs game on the radio on occasion. But I am also old enough to remember Harry Carry doing Cardinals games. I can't believe that the target demo for WSCR also listens to Cubs radio broadcasts. |
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| Author: | Matches Malone [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:20 pm ] |
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Curious Hair wrote: ZephMarshack wrote: Is it really a surprise Beardown has a hard time connecting blackness with any thing positive? Still waiting for this ball to land in the seats, damn.
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
They are a year early for profits |
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| Author: | IMU [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:25 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Cubs playoff run scores win for new radio partner WSCR |
Wanderer wrote: I listen to a Cubs game on the radio on occasion. But I am also old enough to remember Harry Carry doing Cardinals games. I can't believe that the target demo for WSCR also listens to Cubs radio broadcasts. I NEVER listen to the Score. I listen to Cubs radio broadcasts a couple of times a week. No promos that I've ever heard during those broadcasts have made me want to give any WSCR program another attempt. Putrid Kaplan is still better than any Score show. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:42 pm ] |
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Clearly a great move by WSCR. More listeners = money. Theo and company are spreading the wealth. Nice philanthropic move by them. |
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