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Author:  Beardown [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:38 pm ]
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He's on the air right now. I guess technically this is his 2nd show since being fired. First time I've heard him. At first I thought it was a national show. Then I finally recognized his voice.

Author:  Warren Newson [ Fri Jul 20, 2018 9:11 pm ]
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Always liked Speigel. I think his days on WSCR are rapidly coming to a close, but I hope he lands on his feet somewhere.

Author:  RFDC [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:12 pm ]
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Did he have anything to say about Mac or the HFC reunion?

My guess would be had some snarky comment

Author:  Minooka Meatball [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:15 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
Did he have anything to say about Mac or the HFC reunion?

My guess would be had some snarky comment


I listened while I was driving through Central IL last night. Yup, and whined about not being asked to be a guest during the shows.

Author:  RFDC [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:17 pm ]
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Minooka Meatball wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Did he have anything to say about Mac or the HFC reunion?

My guess would be had some snarky comment


I listened while I was driving through Central IL last night. Yup, and whined about not being asked to be a guest during the shows.

:lol: that sounds like him.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:27 pm ]
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I heard him refer to noted American author "John Updick." Sounds like he's gunning for Connor McKnight's job with that one.

Author:  SpiralStairs [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 2:42 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
I heard him refer to noted American author "John Updick." Sounds like he's gunning for Connor McKnight's job with that one.


Truly an up and coming member on the list of modern American writers.

Author:  Baby McNown [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:14 pm ]
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RFDC wrote:
Minooka Meatball wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Did he have anything to say about Mac or the HFC reunion?

My guess would be had some snarky comment


I listened while I was driving through Central IL last night. Yup, and whined about not being asked to be a guest during the shows.

:lol: that sounds like him.

He’s got a point. He produced them for a long time.

Author:  RFDC [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 4:25 pm ]
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Baby McNown wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Minooka Meatball wrote:
RFDC wrote:
Did he have anything to say about Mac or the HFC reunion?

My guess would be had some snarky comment


I listened while I was driving through Central IL last night. Yup, and whined about not being asked to be a guest during the shows.

:lol: that sounds like him.

He’s got a point. He produced them for a long time.

Yeah he did, he did get some time during Terrys goodbye show for B&B.

But I think his recent antics with Mac stopped any time on the reunion show. I doubt Mac wanted to give the big baby any time.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:14 pm ]
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Mac and Spiegs discuss his appearance on the reunion shows:

Image

Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:17 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Mac and Spiegs discuss his appearance on the reunion shows:

Image

:lol: Nice.

Author:  DAC [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:50 pm ]
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The station is worse off without Spiegel. Goff is about a -3.0 WAR host while Spiegs is a +1.5-2.0. I thought McKnight was the epitome of a replacement level host but he is trending downward.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 6:59 pm ]
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We made fun of Terry for his desultory "yeah, that's what my guy says, too" responses, but it's kind of the same now, too. Dan asks Connor some sort of leading question prefaced with "as someone who is impressively smart and who majored in English, would you agree that ___?" then Connor basically rephrases whatever Dan said but mispronounces a word.

Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:10 pm ]
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DAC wrote:
The station is worse off without Spiegel. Goff is about a -3.0 WAR host while Spiegs is a +1.5-2.0. I thought McKnight was the epitome of a replacement level host but he is trending downward.


Except Bernstein & Spiegel would have, or could have been, an unmitigated disaster, because Spiegel doesn't know how to oppose Bernstein (and likely the inverse) without derailing a segment. They lost countless transitions to Spiegel slapping at Bernstein, and you just can't have a whole show of that replacing the ratings successes that were Spiegel & Goff and Spiegel & Parkins.

And on top of all that, Bernstein & McKnight is somehow a ratings darling.

Author:  Tad Queasy [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:28 pm ]
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
DAC wrote:
The station is worse off without Spiegel. Goff is about a -3.0 WAR host while Spiegs is a +1.5-2.0. I thought McKnight was the epitome of a replacement level host but he is trending downward.


Except Bernstein & Spiegel would have, or could have been, an unmitigated disaster, because Spiegel doesn't know how to oppose Bernstein (and likely the inverse) without derailing a segment. They lost countless transitions to Spiegel slapping at Bernstein, and you just can't have a whole show of that replacing the ratings successes that were Spiegel & Goff and Spiegel & Parkins.

And on top of all that, Bernstein & McKnight is somehow a ratings darling.


I remember Spiegel would get himself all worked up going into transition and Bernstein would only halfheartedly engage, essentially dismissing him with a "eh, whatever..." attitude while Spiegel was sounded like he was practically frothing at the mouth.

Author:  RFDC [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:31 pm ]
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Tad Queasy wrote:
Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
DAC wrote:
The station is worse off without Spiegel. Goff is about a -3.0 WAR host while Spiegs is a +1.5-2.0. I thought McKnight was the epitome of a replacement level host but he is trending downward.


Except Bernstein & Spiegel would have, or could have been, an unmitigated disaster, because Spiegel doesn't know how to oppose Bernstein (and likely the inverse) without derailing a segment. They lost countless transitions to Spiegel slapping at Bernstein, and you just can't have a whole show of that replacing the ratings successes that were Spiegel & Goff and Spiegel & Parkins.

And on top of all that, Bernstein & McKnight is somehow a ratings darling.


I remember Spiegel would get himself all worked up going into transition and Bernstein would only halfheartedly engage, essentially dismissing him with a "eh, whatever..." attitude while Spiegel was sounded like he was practically frothing at the mouth.

:lol: yeah. There were times where you just know meatpants was thinking "I got him" and Bernsie would not engage or destroy him and then meat would pout and not say anything else.

Author:  DAC [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:52 pm ]
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
DAC wrote:
The station is worse off without Spiegel. Goff is about a -3.0 WAR host while Spiegs is a +1.5-2.0. I thought McKnight was the epitome of a replacement level host but he is trending downward.


Except Bernstein & Spiegel would have, or could have been, an unmitigated disaster, because Spiegel doesn't know how to oppose Bernstein (and likely the inverse) without derailing a segment. They lost countless transitions to Spiegel slapping at Bernstein, and you just can't have a whole show of that replacing the ratings successes that were Spiegel & Goff and Spiegel & Parkins.

And on top of all that, Bernstein & McKnight is somehow a ratings darling.


I agree. A lot of those Transitions were a tough listen. I never wanted a Bernstein/Spiegel combo even though it would probably be better than Bernstein and McKnight. I thought the best pairings would have been Mac/Spiegel during midday and Bernstein/Parkins in the afternoons.

Is Bernstein and McKnight getting good ratings? I must have missed that.

Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:10 pm ]
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DAC wrote:
Is Bernstein and McKnight getting good ratings? I must have missed that.


Yeah, someone posted a key demo ratings breakdown for the Spring, which is essentially all of the life of Bernstein & McKnight and they are doing pretty damn well, beating the competition easily.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:24 pm ]
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Makes you wonder about how many people really did give up the Score forever and ever and ever for firing Saint Jason.

Author:  HawaiiYou [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:30 pm ]
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never liked this spiegal guy. his act is a rip off of mac. the way he talks. but mac is likable, this guy isn't at least for me.


oh, goff will be back on the air too. guaranteed.

Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:47 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Makes you wonder about how many people really did give up the Score forever and ever and ever for firing Saint Jason.


Well we know Maddux Boy is back.

Still, the success of Bernstein & McKnight is almost jarring, to me. In my mind, that show shouldn't be doing that well, but maybe I've become just as jaded about sports talk as Dan had been until he stared into the radio abyss.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:05 pm ]
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I figure Mully and Hanley are humming along, no reason to change the station. Maybe we underestimated the extent to which Chicago really wasn't ready for Bomani Goff.

Author:  Warren Newson [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 9:50 pm ]
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Juice's Lecture Notes wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
Makes you wonder about how many people really did give up the Score forever and ever and ever for firing Saint Jason.


Well we know Maddux Boy is back.

Still, the success of Bernstein & McKnight is almost jarring, to me. In my mind, that show shouldn't be doing that well, but maybe I've become just as jaded about sports talk as Dan had been until he stared into the radio abyss.


It's inoffensive and it's more intelligent and coherent than Mully an Hanley. They just give you analysis, very little politics (although Bernstein is itching to burst over this Ohio State stuff), and no petty squabble soap opera bullshit. It's not the greatest sports talk show you ever heard, but it's far from the worst.

Author:  Don Tiny [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:19 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Makes you wonder about how many people really did give up the Score forever and ever and ever for firing Saint Jason.

Nah ... not really.

Author:  sinicalypse [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:49 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Makes you wonder about how many people really did give up the Score forever and ever and ever for firing Saint Jason.

Do you really think there's a sizeable "Goff demographic" that they lost with Jason? That would imply that there was a (young/urban?) demographic who were listening because of Jason Goff, and I just can't see that happening. I can't see a whole lot of people flipping through the AM dial and hearing Goff's dulcet tones and being like "whoa where has this been all my life?" and becoming a regular/habitual listener. Maybe if there was a lot of word of mouth marketing at rooftop establishments with bottle service?

Maybe if Goff was solo doing Bomani Goff you'd have a small small chance of that, otherwise I just can't see sports talk radio as a whole (let alone the Goffsphere) attracting a lot of new listeners over the last few years who they'd be able to lose because of the departure of Jason Goff.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 10:57 pm ]
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Facebook and Twitter seem to be Goff's home turf. (Yeah, yeah, I know, I thought his home turf was a place on Halsted called "DL Hugely's" too.) I'm well aware that they are relatively few in number but they are very, very noisy. Like us, in a sense. Also like us, they were huge B&B fans, but while we kinda broke bad on them, these are the ones who stayed loyal through Penn-State-o-Rama and beyond. Basically, if they liked bad Boers & Bernstein, they loooooooooved Bernstein & Goff.

Author:  HawaiiYou [ Sat Jul 21, 2018 11:02 pm ]
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Other than this board and people in the business, I think nobody, especially the average fan, really cares much about any of these radio guys.

Author:  DAC [ Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:56 am ]
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sinicalypse wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
Makes you wonder about how many people really did give up the Score forever and ever and ever for firing Saint Jason.

Do you really think there's a sizeable "Goff demographic" that they lost with Jason? That would imply that there was a (young/urban?) demographic who were listening because of Jason Goff, and I just can't see that happening. I can't see a whole lot of people flipping through the AM dial and hearing Goff's dulcet tones and being like "whoa where has this been all my life?" and becoming a regular/habitual listener. Maybe if there was a lot of word of mouth marketing at rooftop establishments with bottle service?

Maybe if Goff was solo doing Bomani Goff you'd have a small small chance of that, otherwise I just can't see sports talk radio as a whole (let alone the Goffsphere) attracting a lot of new listeners over the last few years who they'd be able to lose because of the departure of Jason Goff.


Nice post. There's a lot more sports talks show listeners that want boring M&H and B&M than soul-moving, SJW B&G.

Author:  MHSPBGLHLG [ Wed Jul 25, 2018 5:41 pm ]
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HawaiiYou wrote:
Other than this board and people in the business, I think nobody, especially the average fan, really cares much about any of these radio guys.


You’re just now realizing this ?

Author:  Don Tiny [ Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:37 pm ]
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Standing in for Lawrence Holmes tonight will be Spiegel and Rosenbloom ... if that is of interest to anyone.
edit: Rozner, not Rosenbloom

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