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Yes, it is exactly as insane as it sounds, but....it's happening

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Will the bobblehead speak? Like pretending Tom Elko is an actual prospect? Or Andrew Vaughn rakes?


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Will the bobblehead speak? Like pretending Tom Elko is an actual prospect? Or Andrew Vaughn rakes?


Ha!! We ain't Andrew Vaughn guys...lol


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I'm holding out for Maddie Swag Bobblehead Night.


Have to admit I have a crush on Maddie and Missy.


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I'm holding out for Maddie Swag Bobblehead Night.


Have to admit I have a crush on Maddie and Missy.



Every Dirty Old Man on White Sox Twitter has a crush on Maddie. Especially Ken.W.o.

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95% of Sox fans have no idea who these people are and I may be severely underestimating that number. I'm happy for anyone to get his moment in the sun, but it doesn't seem like something well considered by Sox marketing.

I like the podcast enough but I only know about it because beefloaf posted it here.

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95% of Sox fans have no idea who these people are


At this point these people may be 95% of Sox fans.

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95% of Sox fans have no idea who these people are


At this point these people may be 95% of Sox fans.

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95% of Sox fans have no idea who these people are and I may be severely underestimating that number. I'm happy for anyone to get his moment in the sun, but it doesn't seem like something well considered by Sox marketing.

I like the podcast enough but I only know about it because beefloaf posted it here.


Prolly true, although, ALLEGEDLY, the promo we did to announce the Sunday Bobblehead series that they aired on Saturday night at Sox Fest, got a big response....we weren't there, we were at Reggie's getting ready for our LIVE SHOW that night, but supposedly at least the Sox Fest crowd knows us a bit. :)


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good dolphin wrote:
95% of Sox fans have no idea who these people are and I may be severely underestimating that number. I'm happy for anyone to get his moment in the sun, but it doesn't seem like something well considered by Sox marketing.

I like the podcast enough but I only know about it because beefloaf posted it here.


Prolly true, although, ALLEGEDLY, the promo we did to announce the Sunday Bobblehead series that they aired on Saturday night at Sox Fest, got a big response....we weren't there, we were at Reggie's getting ready for our LIVE SHOW that night, but supposedly at least the Sox Fest crowd knows us a bit. :)



No need for false modesty, dude. You guys have done more to promote the Sox than Brooks Boyer ever did. I honestly don't think the White Sox even know who their actual fans really are. James Duda went to like six million straight home games. They should build him a statue. Instead of creating fans like Duda they drive them away.

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JORR wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
95% of Sox fans have no idea who these people are and I may be severely underestimating that number. I'm happy for anyone to get his moment in the sun, but it doesn't seem like something well considered by Sox marketing.

I like the podcast enough but I only know about it because beefloaf posted it here.


Prolly true, although, ALLEGEDLY, the promo we did to announce the Sunday Bobblehead series that they aired on Saturday night at Sox Fest, got a big response....we weren't there, we were at Reggie's getting ready for our LIVE SHOW that night, but supposedly at least the Sox Fest crowd knows us a bit. :)



No need for false modesty, dude. You guys have done more to promote the Sox than Brooks Boyer ever did. I honestly don't think the White Sox even know who their actual fans really are. James Duda went to like six million straight home games. They should build him a statue. Instead of creating fans like Duda they drive them away.


I think the JR and Einhorn desired a different demographic of fan for their team from the very beginning. They are a bit better today but their front office was openly hostile to fans for at least the first couple of decades. That Greek guy who held the spot forever before Boyer basically told fans to eat shit on more than one occasion without any rebuking from ownership.

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I think the JR and Einhorn desired a different demographic of fan for their team from the very beginning. They are a bit better today but their front office was openly hostile to fans for at least the first couple of decades. That Greek guy who held the spot forever before Boyer basically told fans to eat shit on more than one occasion without any rebuking from ownership.


I think I'm a pretty big Sox fan, I have been one my entire life, it's a big part of my identity. I can tell you how I feel. They asked for patience as they lost on purpose for several seasons with the promise that they would spend the money and make the moves when the time came. That didn't ever happen.

They expect people to pay to watch this shit? Come on. I told the ticket rep I would send a check for $1620 tomorrow if he could give me two for the whole season on the 100 level. I don't want seats. I just need access to stand behind 162. They couldn't or DIDN'T WANT to make that happen. Get me and the guy I usually go with in the park and we'll spend $200 a game on beer. (Unless it was a Buehrle game. Not enough time to drink that much beer.) Just dumb.

And now what? I'm supposed to go watch Palacios and Rojas and wait for Colson Montgomery? Come on. There's no hope. Even though there are promising pitchers, what's the point? I've seen them give away Sale and Crochet for nothing. Why should I think the same thing won't happen with Smith and Schultz? There's no trust left.

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I think the JR and Einhorn desired a different demographic of fan for their team from the very beginning. They are a bit better today but their front office was openly hostile to fans for at least the first couple of decades. That Greek guy who held the spot forever before Boyer basically told fans to eat shit on more than one occasion without any rebuking from ownership.


I think I'm a pretty big Sox fan, I have been one my entire life, it's a big part of my identity. I can tell you how I feel. They asked for patience as they lost on purpose for several seasons with the promise that they would spend the money and make the moves when the time came. That didn't ever happen.

They expect people to pay to watch this shit? Come on. I told the ticket rep I would send a check for $1620 tomorrow if he could give me two for the whole season on the 100 level. I don't want seats. I just need access to stand behind 162. They couldn't or DIDN'T WANT to make that happen. Get me and the guy I usually go with in the park and we'll spend $200 a game on beer. (Unless it was a Buehrle game. Not enough time to drink that much beer.) Just dumb.

And now what? I'm supposed to go watch Palacios and Rojas and wait for Colson Montgomery? Come on. There's no hope. Even though there are promising pitchers, what's the point? I've seen them give away Sale and Crochet for nothing. Why should I think the same thing won't happen with Smith and Schultz? There's no trust left.


Zero.

I've had that same experience with their sale staff. It's like they expect some whale to be buying up tickets the moment they get off the phone with you. Those luxury suites have been problematic for sales since the stadium opened. They should be jumping at the chance to fill them at a reasonable number, even if it is a number that is below the one they projected.

But what incentive does JR really have to be better. He has made money for his partners every year and on the long term investment. He is, from a purely profitability perspective, a great owner. His co owners certainly aren't going to complain when they have made 2 billion on a 20 million investment. But, he's almost like a slumlord (que the mult) who owns a great piece of property but has residents living in misery.

We are suckers. We have been from the beginning. I wish I could be like my dad and only pay attention when I needed some entertainment, consuming sports on my own terms. Actually, these last two years have shown me how to do it. I don't watch any games and I only attend a couple. I'm not missing anything as 75% of the lineup won't be on an MLB roster next year.

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I get that you don't want to undermine your regular season ticket holders. The Hawks did that in some of the lean years prior to the Cup era when they StubHubbed seats on the glass for very low prices. What are the few "Season Reservation Holders" they had left at that point who are paying full boat supposed to think?

I had an argument with the ticket rep about ponying up for a 20 game package in January only to get to a game in July and have some guy who bought his ticket that day sitting two rows in front of me for a couple dollars less than I paid and the Sox gave him two free beers to boot. Where's my motivation? The rep actually had the audacity to say I get a crack at postseason tickets. I said, "I know you're reading a script because you cannot be that dumb."

Even the postseason thing is a fake promise. I buy 20 games on the 100 level but in the rare event they make the playoffs I'm up in The Planet during the first round and that's all I get. But somehow Cub fan John Cusack and the cast of Chicago P.D. are in the seats I had for a quarter of the season.

I've already lost a lot of interest in the Sox and I don't appreciate the veiled threats to move the team either.

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I The rep actually had the audacity to say I get a crack at postseason tickets. I said, "I know you're reading a script because you cannot be that dumb."


:lol: Holy hell that is amazing that they would be so dumb to say something like that right now.

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I The rep actually had the audacity to say I get a crack at postseason tickets. I said, "I know you're reading a script because you cannot be that dumb."


:lol: Holy hell that is amazing that they would be so dumb to say something like that right now.


It was a couple years ago, but it still didn't look like they could sniff the playoffs.

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They have set a false expectation that they can only sustain winning in the majors via the minor league system which requires a 5 year full rebuild that has no certainty of success. Of course, we need a strong minor league system that to be sustainable, but spending money has to be part of the equation. Sox fans have no hope or expectation that they are ever going to be in competition for the best free agents nor should we be patient for a multi-year rebuild that still doesn't seem capable of producing homegrown offensive players.


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They have set a false expectation that they can only sustain winning in the majors via the minor league system which requires a 5 year full rebuild that has no certainty of success. Of course, we need a strong minor league system that to be sustainable, but spending money has to be part of the equation. Sox fans have no hope or expectation that they are ever going to be in competition for the best free agents nor should we be patient for a multi-year rebuild that still doesn't seem capable of producing homegrown offensive players.



You can see this team is on the verge of being just normal bad rather than historically awful the way they have been. They have some strong pitching in the pipeline. But how can you trust this front office to make the right moves or Jerry to spend the necessary money? What do they have to build around? A couple catchers and maybe Vargas? They're going to need to go out and fill several slots and not do it on the cheap. I'm not sure they have any intention of doing that and even if they do I'm even less sure they're capable of making the right decisions.

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JORR wrote:
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They have set a false expectation that they can only sustain winning in the majors via the minor league system which requires a 5 year full rebuild that has no certainty of success. Of course, we need a strong minor league system that to be sustainable, but spending money has to be part of the equation. Sox fans have no hope or expectation that they are ever going to be in competition for the best free agents nor should we be patient for a multi-year rebuild that still doesn't seem capable of producing homegrown offensive players.



You can see this team is on the verge of being just normal bad rather than historically awful the way they have been. They have some strong pitching in the pipeline. But how can you trust this front office to make the right moves or Jerry to spend the necessary money? What do they have to build around? A couple catchers and maybe Vargas? They're going to need to go out and fill several slots and not do it on the cheap. I'm not sure they have any intention of doing that and even if they do I'm even less sure they're capable of making the right decisions.


They have squandered fairly high draft picks at an astounding rate. I don't pay much attention to MLB drafts but do other teams have this many first rounders who fail?

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I get that you don't want to undermine your regular season ticket holders. The Hawks did that in some of the lean years prior to the Cup era when they StubHubbed seats on the glass for very low prices. What are the few "Season Reservation Holders" they had left at that point who are paying full boat supposed to think?

I had an argument with the ticket rep about ponying up for a 20 game package in January only to get to a game in July and have some guy who bought his ticket that day sitting two rows in front of me for a couple dollars less than I paid and the Sox gave him two free beers to boot. Where's my motivation? The rep actually had the audacity to say I get a crack at postseason tickets. I said, "I know you're reading a script because you cannot be that dumb."

Even the postseason thing is a fake promise. I buy 20 games on the 100 level but in the rare event they make the playoffs I'm up in The Planet during the first round and that's all I get. But somehow Cub fan John Cusack and the cast of Chicago P.D. are in the seats I had for a quarter of the season.

I've already lost a lot of interest in the Sox and I don't appreciate the veiled threats to move the team either.


JR has perpetually threatened to move. He claims he is this dyed in the wool fan of baseball, yet takes no actions that support the claim.

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They have set a false expectation that they can only sustain winning in the majors via the minor league system which requires a 5 year full rebuild that has no certainty of success. Of course, we need a strong minor league system that to be sustainable, but spending money has to be part of the equation. Sox fans have no hope or expectation that they are ever going to be in competition for the best free agents nor should we be patient for a multi-year rebuild that still doesn't seem capable of producing homegrown offensive players.



You can see this team is on the verge of being just normal bad rather than historically awful the way they have been. They have some strong pitching in the pipeline. But how can you trust this front office to make the right moves or Jerry to spend the necessary money? What do they have to build around? A couple catchers and maybe Vargas? They're going to need to go out and fill several slots and not do it on the cheap. I'm not sure they have any intention of doing that and even if they do I'm even less sure they're capable of making the right decisions.


They have squandered fairly high draft picks at an astounding rate. I don't pay much attention to MLB drafts but do other teams have this many first rounders who fail?

I saw this over the winter. Mediocre at best. Take out Rodon, and they are abysmal.

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It's a game for the mature. Developing is more of a key than the drafting. For whatever the reason, the franchise has always had a fairly keen sense on the pitching side, and none on the position player side. Not since when? Larry Himes?


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good dolphin wrote:
JORR wrote:
BD wrote:
They have set a false expectation that they can only sustain winning in the majors via the minor league system which requires a 5 year full rebuild that has no certainty of success. Of course, we need a strong minor league system that to be sustainable, but spending money has to be part of the equation. Sox fans have no hope or expectation that they are ever going to be in competition for the best free agents nor should we be patient for a multi-year rebuild that still doesn't seem capable of producing homegrown offensive players.



You can see this team is on the verge of being just normal bad rather than historically awful the way they have been. They have some strong pitching in the pipeline. But how can you trust this front office to make the right moves or Jerry to spend the necessary money? What do they have to build around? A couple catchers and maybe Vargas? They're going to need to go out and fill several slots and not do it on the cheap. I'm not sure they have any intention of doing that and even if they do I'm even less sure they're capable of making the right decisions.


They have squandered fairly high draft picks at an astounding rate. I don't pay much attention to MLB drafts but do other teams have this many first rounders who fail?

I saw this over the winter. Mediocre at best. Take out Rodon, and they are abysmal.

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Dansby Swanson was never a Diamondback, and Trea Turner was never a Padre. :lol:

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Sarge wrote:
El Tommo wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
JORR wrote:
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They have set a false expectation that they can only sustain winning in the majors via the minor league system which requires a 5 year full rebuild that has no certainty of success. Of course, we need a strong minor league system that to be sustainable, but spending money has to be part of the equation. Sox fans have no hope or expectation that they are ever going to be in competition for the best free agents nor should we be patient for a multi-year rebuild that still doesn't seem capable of producing homegrown offensive players.



You can see this team is on the verge of being just normal bad rather than historically awful the way they have been. They have some strong pitching in the pipeline. But how can you trust this front office to make the right moves or Jerry to spend the necessary money? What do they have to build around? A couple catchers and maybe Vargas? They're going to need to go out and fill several slots and not do it on the cheap. I'm not sure they have any intention of doing that and even if they do I'm even less sure they're capable of making the right decisions.


They have squandered fairly high draft picks at an astounding rate. I don't pay much attention to MLB drafts but do other teams have this many first rounders who fail?

I saw this over the winter. Mediocre at best. Take out Rodon, and they are abysmal.

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Dansby Swanson was never a Diamondback, and Trea Turner was never a Padre. :lol:


Drafted by the DBacks and then traded to the Braves. Turner was also drafted by the Padres.

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They have set a false expectation that they can only sustain winning in the majors via the minor league system which requires a 5 year full rebuild that has no certainty of success. Of course, we need a strong minor league system that to be sustainable, but spending money has to be part of the equation. Sox fans have no hope or expectation that they are ever going to be in competition for the best free agents nor should we be patient for a multi-year rebuild that still doesn't seem capable of producing homegrown offensive players.



You can see this team is on the verge of being just normal bad rather than historically awful the way they have been. They have some strong pitching in the pipeline. But how can you trust this front office to make the right moves or Jerry to spend the necessary money? What do they have to build around? A couple catchers and maybe Vargas? They're going to need to go out and fill several slots and not do it on the cheap. I'm not sure they have any intention of doing that and even if they do I'm even less sure they're capable of making the right decisions.


They have squandered fairly high draft picks at an astounding rate. I don't pay much attention to MLB drafts but do other teams have this many first rounders who fail?

I saw this over the winter. Mediocre at best. Take out Rodon, and they are abysmal.

Image


They actually rank a lot higher than I thought they would. About their ability to develop pitching, they've been doing it at least since the 90's, but recently they seem like one of the few organizations willing to take on the risk of developing pitching. Everyone else looks on it as a sucker's game.


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I think the JR and Einhorn desired a different demographic of fan for their team from the very beginning. They are a bit better today but their front office was openly hostile to fans for at least the first couple of decades. That Greek guy who held the spot forever before Boyer basically told fans to eat shit on more than one occasion without any rebuking from ownership.


I think I'm a pretty big Sox fan, I have been one my entire life, it's a big part of my identity. I can tell you how I feel. They asked for patience as they lost on purpose for several seasons with the promise that they would spend the money and make the moves when the time came. That didn't ever happen.

They expect people to pay to watch this shit? Come on. I told the ticket rep I would send a check for $1620 tomorrow if he could give me two for the whole season on the 100 level. I don't want seats. I just need access to stand behind 162. They couldn't or DIDN'T WANT to make that happen. Get me and the guy I usually go with in the park and we'll spend $200 a game on beer. (Unless it was a Buehrle game. Not enough time to drink that much beer.) Just dumb.

And now what? I'm supposed to go watch Palacios and Rojas and wait for Colson Montgomery? Come on. There's no hope. Even though there are promising pitchers, what's the point? I've seen them give away Sale and Crochet for nothing. Why should I think the same thing won't happen with Smith and Schultz? There's no trust left.



Exactly why I refuse to give them another dollar. Both of my kids 1st baseball game was watching the Boomers rather than at Comiskey.


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