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Author:  TreyWingo [ Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:06 pm ]
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As one who used to be in the business, I would say that Radio Execs could be the worst I have run across.

Nothing personal, and this does not mean they are assholes in the way they manage, but each and everyone one of them is a promoted producer or salesperson. None of them ever try anything really new and then in order to show some upswing they dish out some big cash to land a "Big Show". Then that "Big Show" never meets the expectations and the radio person is let go.

Shouldnt the guy who gave Mike North $7.5 Million pay at the window now? Or the one who signed Dahl for millions? or the 3$ million MANCOW deal.

Radio execs who run radio stations would be nothing more than a VP of nothing in my office and they would have the VP title in lieu of getting a pay raise.

While I am not the Fed fan, I cant imagine he made more than $25K more than the next update guy and they released him after 15 years? IMagine they are hurting that bad to save $25K???? If so, someone managing that station should apologize
Author:  Porterhouse [ Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:19 pm ]
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Yes: Dan Mason, Rod Zimmerman, Paul Agase, Mitch Rosen, Drew Hayes - all bad news - & jury's still out on The Goose.
Author:  SHARK [ Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:39 pm ]
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Porterhouse wrote:
Yes: Dan Mason, Rod Zimmerman, Paul Agase, Mitch Rosen, Drew Hayes - all bad news - & jury's still out on The Goose.

Let's not forget the Hollander Brothers...Dan Mason's predecessors at CBS Radio, Joel & Les Hollander. Here in Chicago, the Hollander Brothers were the ones that abruptly pulled the plug on WJMK's popular oldies format and turned the station into the jockless 104.3 "JACK FM" about 3 years ago. They're also the dumbasses that tried to bring an unknown dog of a morning man named "Rover", Cleveland-based Shane French, to replace Howard Stern in morning drive at the former 105.9 WCKG. It was well known that the "King of All Media" was going to Sirius Satellite Radio, and instead of hiring a more well-known personality like Kevin Matthews, Mancow or even Jonathon Brandmeier to fill Howard's big shoes, the Hollanders' decision to sick "Rover" on Chicago radio listeners was one of the worst moves ever!!! :oops: Any audience that listened to Stern in Chicago completely vanished when "Rover" signed on... :oops:
Author:  Darkside [ Sat Dec 06, 2008 11:26 am ]
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The sad fact of life and business is that most people are promoted past their most effective position into positions that they are not skilled at. Most of the managers I've worked for were promoted technicians, men who knew how to turn a screwdriver but cannot create a business plan or balance a budget.
Darko's Law of Compounding Failure states that the competency of any manager is inversely proportional to his speed of ascent as well, so a quickly promoted manager is more likey to be a ninny.
Author:  Beebo [ Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:18 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Radio Management Types
TreyWingo wrote:
As one who used to be in the business, I would say that Radio Execs could be the worst I have run across.



I never seen a lot of accountability in what they do. Its sort of like, a bad contract with a bad talent is never their fault; how they cut corners to work around that ill-spent money is how they're judged.

The one thing I noticed is this contest the broadcast school is running: record an update and get judged by Mitch Rosen. Well, WTF was that, other than an invite to jetisson Ofman, Heubner, any other middling talent they can find.

And it's not a good thing. Speaking purely from a business standpoint, I know that Heubs and Ofman can do a show, unprepared. So can Jesse (one can argue they're all unprepared shows). That's been leveraged in the past when something on the remotes stopped working, and they were caught doing an inpromptu show. The older guys can do it. The less seasoned ones can't do it as well. (Paruch on the other hand, like Bartosch, can easily do both.)
Author:  Seacrest [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:30 am ]
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SHARK wrote:
Porterhouse wrote:
Yes: Dan Mason, Rod Zimmerman, Paul Agase, Mitch Rosen, Drew Hayes - all bad news - & jury's still out on The Goose.

Let's not forget the Hollander Brothers...Dan Mason's predecessors at CBS Radio, Joel & Les Hollander. Here in Chicago, the Hollander Brothers were the ones that abruptly pulled the plug on WJMK's popular oldies format and turned the station into the jockless 104.3 "JACK FM" about 3 years ago. They're also the dumbasses that tried to bring an unknown dog of a morning man named "Rover", Cleveland-based Shane French, to replace Howard Stern in morning drive at the former 105.9 WCKG. It was well known that the "King of All Media" was going to Sirius Satellite Radio, and instead of hiring a more well-known personality like Kevin Matthews, Mancow or even Jonathon Brandmeier to fill Howard's big shoes, the Hollanders' decision to sick "Rover" on Chicago radio listeners was one of the worst moves ever!!! :oops: Any audience that listened to Stern in Chicago completely vanished when "Rover" signed on... :oops:


Rover was doomed the day Drew Hayes hired his producer.

That was some of the most ill conceived trash ever put on radio. Bur t he had plenty of help from his production staff.
Author:  bigfan [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:20 am ]
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Every business has it's own lingo, management style, etc. but I am really surprised at the lack of development of any new shows.

If the late night, or after 7 PM means nothing, why wouldnt that slot be used to try something new? and not just 2 or 3 guys trying to rehash the same stuff rehashed all week?
Author:  Beebo [ Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:17 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
Every business has it's own lingo, management style, etc. but I am really surprised at the lack of development of any new shows.

If the late night, or after 7 PM means nothing, why wouldnt that slot be used to try something new? and not just 2 or 3 guys trying to rehash the same stuff rehashed all week?


Well, because that slot is used by producers, reporters and update guys to do their shows. And you know? It's got to be hard to come up with something "good" for a show after already doing your normal gig, be it 4 hours of producing B&B, or what-have-you.

Like you, I see this as "recipe for failure."
Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:43 pm ]
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One of the real problems with radio is that it is a losing proposition for anyone with an IQ above room temperature. You enter the industry by having to work for no money while receiving nothing but gofer training. If you are really good you then get hired for minimum wage to be a part time producer. If you excell at part time, in a few years you get to be a full time producer at 25K per year. Finally you may get your shot at some on air work at $300 per hour to prove yourself worthy to get the 1% top of the industry on air work at 50K a year.

What person in his right mind would agree to such terms when chosing an area of concentration in college? It's not suprising we get the quality of on air "talent" we see today. It is simply a matter of reaping what you sow.
Author:  Darkside [ Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:23 pm ]
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GD, that's exactly why I left broadcasting school.
Author:  Brick [ Mon Dec 08, 2008 1:27 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote:
One of the real problems with radio is that it is a losing proposition for anyone with an IQ above room temperature. You enter the industry by having to work for no money while receiving nothing but gofer training. If you are really good you then get hired for minimum wage to be a part time producer. If you excell at part time, in a few years you get to be a full time producer at 25K per year. Finally you may get your shot at some on air work at $300 per hour to prove yourself worthy to get the 1% top of the industry on air work at 50K a year.

What person in his right mind would agree to such terms when chosing an area of concentration in college? It's not suprising we get the quality of on air "talent" we see today. It is simply a matter of reaping what you sow.

So it's just like politics?
Author:  Beebo [ Mon Dec 08, 2008 8:36 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote:
One of the real problems with radio is that it is a losing proposition for anyone with an IQ above room temperature. You enter the industry by having to work for no money while receiving nothing but gofer training. If you are really good you then get hired for minimum wage to be a part time producer. If you excell at part time, in a few years you get to be a full time producer at 25K per year. Finally you may get your shot at some on air work at $300 per hour to prove yourself worthy to get the 1% top of the industry on air work at 50K a year.

What person in his right mind would agree to such terms when chosing an area of concentration in college? It's not suprising we get the quality of on air "talent" we see today. It is simply a matter of reaping what you sow.


And yet there are broadcast schools, and like you, I marvel at that...
Author:  bigfan [ Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:02 am ]
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Just bring back Les and solve it
Author:  Seacrest [ Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Radio Management Types
good dolphin wrote:
One of the real problems with radio is that it is a losing proposition for anyone with an IQ above room temperature. You enter the industry by having to work for no money while receiving nothing but gofer training. If you are really good you then get hired for minimum wage to be a part time producer. If you excell at part time, in a few years you get to be a full time producer at 25K per year. Finally you may get your shot at some on air work at $300 per hour to prove yourself worthy to get the 1% top of the industry on air work at 50K a year.

What person in his right mind would agree to such terms when chosing an area of concentration in college? It's not suprising we get the quality of on air "talent" we see today. It is simply a matter of reaping what you sow.


People like hearing their name on the radio and are willing to work for peanuts to hear it.
Author:  Eaglo Jeff [ Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:27 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
Just bring back Les and solve it


I knew a Les when....uh nevermind. I would like to hear Les doing a show again too. Is he too busy with the Chicago Sky?
Author:  Eaglo Jeff [ Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:30 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote:
One of the real problems with radio is that it is a losing proposition for anyone with an IQ above room temperature. You enter the industry by having to work for no money while receiving nothing but gofer training. If you are really good you then get hired for minimum wage to be a part time producer. If you excell at part time, in a few years you get to be a full time producer at 25K per year. Finally you may get your shot at some on air work at $300 per hour to prove yourself worthy to get the 1% top of the industry on air work at 50K a year.

What person in his right mind would agree to such terms when chosing an area of concentration in college? It's not suprising we get the quality of on air "talent" we see today. It is simply a matter of reaping what you sow.


This is why I prefer to do "Imaginary Radio". No pressure. :wink:
Author:  Pappy's Crappy [ Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:29 pm ]
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Eaglo Jeff wrote:
bigfan wrote:
Just bring back Les and solve it


I knew a Les when....uh nevermind. I would like to hear Les doing a show again too. Is he too busy with the Chicago Sky?


Given the economy and what just happened to the Arena Football League, I can't believe the WNBA and/or the Sky are long for this world.
Author:  Chris_in_joliet [ Mon Dec 15, 2008 6:47 pm ]
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Funny thing is the mainstream shows are so far behind the times it not even funny. Yeah people want to talk about the Bears, Bulls, Cubs, Sox, but people can only handle it for so long. Gotta switch it up a bit. I do call in to the shows and most of the time I call I can get on air. Talking general shit. You wanna see the phones light up? Start talking MMA with someone that knows what they are talking about. Lawerence Holmes was talking about this and boxing the other day and I was trying to get through. For about 30 mins I couldnt get through. I would say he probably had about 20 or more phone calls in that time period. People are getting into it more and more, but you wouldnt know it with the programming that goes on in this city.
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