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Author: | SteveSarley [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:07 pm ] |
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Hernandez is charged with pulling off a $12,000,000 Ponzi scheme. It apparently involves all of his operations and not just the Webio like some people here think. Webio was a very small part of the DH empire gone sour. Do you really think that North can be in any trouble over this? I think the Norths figured that DH was the golden goose who would lay out the big bucks just to hang out with the media and sports stars. I think they figured they could bleed him dry until a better, more well-established group of sponsors came along. Isn't that the way he told it to Coppock. I think he really believed it, especially when DH gave Comcast $275,000 to sponsor MITM. He sure looked legit then, didn't he? So what did North do that was illegal? Even if he knew Hernandez served time years ago, so what? Was North involved with the day-to-day operation of Webio? Doesn't matter. Was North aware that the entire DH enterprise was just one big scam? I would bet not. Is North a bad guy for recruiting guys while there was talk of financial problems? For sure. Stupid? Yes. A bad guy? Yes. A criminal? Absoluely not. |
Author: | jimmypasta [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:16 pm ] |
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If someone in the D.A.'s office wants some pub,they WILL drag the North's into this,innocent or not! Would not be the first time a DA played that game. |
Author: | Mr. Belvidere [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:18 pm ] |
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Worst case is he's an irresponsible buffoon for recruiting all the dumbasses from their current jobs and bragging about the cashcow he told them he knew was legit. I would lik to see ONE guy with a spine and some balls from the webio fiasco to call North out. Publicly! Why has this not happened yet? Rock is the only one from the North lovers club to even take a real shot at him yet. "Kudos of the day" to him but where are the others? |
Author: | Jalapenos and More [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:34 pm ] |
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No one definitively can say either way whether North is in serious trouble. I suspect that he will not be found criminally liable, but I don't know. It's reasonable to believe Mike and Bebe will have to answer some difficult questions, and this will damage North's already flailing career. Poor ratings, high salary demands, the will to exercise control over programming and, now, questionable business relationships hardly make him an attractive hire for any radio station. Your return key, though, is probably in danger of exhaustion. |
Author: | SteveSarley [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:39 pm ] |
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Jalapenos and More wrote: No one definitively can say either way whether North is in serious trouble. I suspect that he will not be found criminally liable, but I don't know. It's reasonable to believe Mike and Bebe will have to answer some difficult questions, and this will damage North's already flailing career. Poor ratings, high salary demands, the will to exercise control over programming and, now, questionable business relationships hardly make him an attractive hire for any radio station. You return key, though, is probably in danger of exhaustion. Exhaustion? It died, I am sorry to say. First Degenerate Dave's betta fish. Now, my return key. They say they go in threes. I wonder what's next? |
Author: | lipidquadcab [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:41 pm ] |
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Author: | Score is doomed [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:45 pm ] |
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SteveSarley wrote: Hernandez is charged with pulling off a $12,000,000 Ponzi scheme. It apparently involves all of his operations and not just the Webio like some people here think. Webio was a very small part of the DH empire gone sour. Do you really think that North can be in any trouble over this? I think the Norths figured that DH was the golden goose who would lay out the big bucks just to hang out with the media and sports stars. I think they figured they could bleed him dry until a better, more well-established group of sponsors came along. Isn't that the way he told it to Coppock. I think he really believed it, especially when DH gave Comcast $275,000 to sponsor MITM. He sure looked legit then, didn't he? So what did North do that was illegal? Even if he knew Hernandez served time years ago, so what? Was North involved with the day-to-day operation of Webio? Doesn't matter. Was North aware that the entire DH enterprise was just one big scam? I would bet not. Is North a bad guy for recruiting guys while there was talk of financial problems? For sure. Stupid? Yes. A bad guy? Yes. A criminal? Absoluely not. Steve caught part of your show Saturday. Mostly sounded like a GEICO commercial. Who was the agent you talked about and to? |
Author: | Score is doomed [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 6:52 pm ] |
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He's in real trouble professionally. His word apparently is no good. Radio is a very small industry and he has shown that he can't be trusted, is very stupid, can no longer deliver ratings, wants way too much money and control and basically is a washed up has-been. I think the talked has quieted down because they have all had to hire lawyers, good ones are expensive. They all realize that Webio was just a con to promote others to invest with Hernandez and they are worried about clawbacks of the excessive money they were paid and spent. Financially, not criminally, they are all involved and should be very worried about it. This will last quite a while. You also know Comcast wants out as fast as possible. The more this goes on, the more embarrassing it will become for them. |
Author: | Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:28 pm ] |
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SteveSarley wrote: Hernandez is charged with pulling off a $12,000,000 Ponzi scheme. It apparently involves all of his operations and not just the Webio like some people here think. Webio was a very small part of the DH empire gone sour. Do you really think that North can be in any trouble over this? I think the Norths figured that DH was the golden goose who would lay out the big bucks just to hang out with the media and sports stars. I think they figured they could bleed him dry until a better, more well-established group of sponsors came along. Isn't that the way he told it to Coppock. I think he really believed it, especially when DH gave Comcast $275,000 to sponsor MITM. He sure looked legit then, didn't he? So what did North do that was illegal? Even if he knew Hernandez served time years ago, so what? Was North involved with the day-to-day operation of Webio? Doesn't matter. Was North aware that the entire DH enterprise was just one big scam? I would bet not. Is North a bad guy for recruiting guys while there was talk of financial problems? For sure. Stupid? Yes. A bad guy? Yes. A criminal? Absoluely not. North has carried himself for the last 10 years or so as a buffoon. As much fun as I am having with this stuff, I can't imagine Hernandez telling North a damned thing about the Ponzi scheme. What is the point, to create a witness against himself? Hernandez and North both need their egos stroked...they need to be SOMEBODY..... I don't think North is a criminal.....I just want to see him testify for the Government....U.S. Attorneys and Defense Attorneys in Federal Court take no prisoners....North will be shredded for his absolute naive stupidity....His "Street Smarts" will be shredded. Hard for the "G" to portray this ego driven maniac as a victim. He is an Officer of the Company and his wife has a ghost payroller job.....C.O.O.! Means North is a hustler. Doesn't prove North knew Hernandez was running a Ponzi scheme. |
Author: | Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:36 pm ] |
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Score is doomed wrote: He's in real trouble professionally. His word apparently is no good. Radio is a very small industry and he has shown that he can't be trusted, is very stupid, can no longer deliver ratings, wants way too much money and control and basically is a washed up has-been. I think the talked has quieted down because they have all had to hire lawyers, good ones are expensive. They all realize that Webio was just a con to promote others to invest with Hernandez and they are worried about clawbacks of the excessive money they were paid and spent. Financially, not criminally, they are all involved and should be very worried about it. This will last quite a while. You also know Comcast wants out as fast as possible. The more this goes on, the more embarrassing it will become for them. Former Tiger pitcher Denny McLain seemed to have a radio on air job between trips to the Federal Joint. |
Author: | SteveSarley [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:39 pm ] |
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Score is doomed wrote: SteveSarley wrote: Hernandez is charged with pulling off a $12,000,000 Ponzi scheme. It apparently involves all of his operations and not just the Webio like some people here think. Webio was a very small part of the DH empire gone sour. Do you really think that North can be in any trouble over this? I think the Norths figured that DH was the golden goose who would lay out the big bucks just to hang out with the media and sports stars. I think they figured they could bleed him dry until a better, more well-established group of sponsors came along. Isn't that the way he told it to Coppock. I think he really believed it, especially when DH gave Comcast $275,000 to sponsor MITM. He sure looked legit then, didn't he? So what did North do that was illegal? Even if he knew Hernandez served time years ago, so what? Was North involved with the day-to-day operation of Webio? Doesn't matter. Was North aware that the entire DH enterprise was just one big scam? I would bet not. Is North a bad guy for recruiting guys while there was talk of financial problems? For sure. Stupid? Yes. A bad guy? Yes. A criminal? Absoluely not. Steve caught part of your show Saturday. Mostly sounded like a GEICO commercial. Who was the agent you talked about and to? New sponsor - had to take care of them. I really did cut my premium from $3000 with Allstate to $1500 with Geico - exact same coverage. Tim Calcagno -630-671-0600 |
Author: | SteveSarley [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:41 pm ] |
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Aggravated Sox Fan Bob wrote: SteveSarley wrote: Hernandez is charged with pulling off a $12,000,000 Ponzi scheme. It apparently involves all of his operations and not just the Webio like some people here think. Webio was a very small part of the DH empire gone sour. Do you really think that North can be in any trouble over this? I think the Norths figured that DH was the golden goose who would lay out the big bucks just to hang out with the media and sports stars. I think they figured they could bleed him dry until a better, more well-established group of sponsors came along. Isn't that the way he told it to Coppock. I think he really believed it, especially when DH gave Comcast $275,000 to sponsor MITM. He sure looked legit then, didn't he? So what did North do that was illegal? Even if he knew Hernandez served time years ago, so what? Was North involved with the day-to-day operation of Webio? Doesn't matter. Was North aware that the entire DH enterprise was just one big scam? I would bet not. Is North a bad guy for recruiting guys while there was talk of financial problems? For sure. Stupid? Yes. A bad guy? Yes. A criminal? Absoluely not. North has carried himself for the last 10 years or so as a buffoon. As much fun as I am having with this stuff, I can't imagine Hernandez telling North a damned thing about the Ponzi scheme. What is the point, to create a witness against himself? Hernandez and North both need their egos stroked...they need to be SOMEBODY..... I don't think North is a criminal.....I just want to see him testify for the Government....U.S. Attorneys and Defense Attorneys in Federal Court take no prisoners....North will be shredded for his absolute naive stupidity....His "Street Smarts" will be shredded. Hard for the "G" to portray this ego driven maniac as a victim. He is an Officer of the Company and his wife has a ghost payroller job.....C.O.O.! Means North is a hustler. Doesn't prove North knew Hernandez was running a Ponzi scheme. Great thoughts! Here is one to speculate on - If North had been offered a piece of the pie on the Ponzi scheme, do you think he would have signed on to it? |
Author: | Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:43 pm ] |
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I'm glad to see the joke is on North and Chet. Guess these two can't fool everybody all of the time. |
Author: | Score is doomed [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:46 pm ] |
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Steve, my son also switched and his new rate is 50% of his old. As for your 2nd question, do I think the halfwit, that goes by Mike North, would have put money in with Hernanadez if asked, my answer is a resounding YES! And personally, I really hope he put in whatever he had left after his Vegas condo debacle. |
Author: | Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:48 pm ] |
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SteveSarley wrote: Aggravated Sox Fan Bob wrote: SteveSarley wrote: Hernandez is charged with pulling off a $12,000,000 Ponzi scheme. It apparently involves all of his operations and not just the Webio like some people here think. Webio was a very small part of the DH empire gone sour. Do you really think that North can be in any trouble over this? I think the Norths figured that DH was the golden goose who would lay out the big bucks just to hang out with the media and sports stars. I think they figured they could bleed him dry until a better, more well-established group of sponsors came along. Isn't that the way he told it to Coppock. I think he really believed it, especially when DH gave Comcast $275,000 to sponsor MITM. He sure looked legit then, didn't he? So what did North do that was illegal? Even if he knew Hernandez served time years ago, so what? Was North involved with the day-to-day operation of Webio? Doesn't matter. Was North aware that the entire DH enterprise was just one big scam? I would bet not. Is North a bad guy for recruiting guys while there was talk of financial problems? For sure. Stupid? Yes. A bad guy? Yes. A criminal? Absoluely not. North has carried himself for the last 10 years or so as a buffoon. As much fun as I am having with this stuff, I can't imagine Hernandez telling North a damned thing about the Ponzi scheme. What is the point, to create a witness against himself? Hernandez and North both need their egos stroked...they need to be SOMEBODY..... I don't think North is a criminal.....I just want to see him testify for the Government....U.S. Attorneys and Defense Attorneys in Federal Court take no prisoners....North will be shredded for his absolute naive stupidity....His "Street Smarts" will be shredded. Hard for the "G" to portray this ego driven maniac as a victim. He is an Officer of the Company and his wife has a ghost payroller job.....C.O.O.! Means North is a hustler. Doesn't prove North knew Hernandez was running a Ponzi scheme. Great thoughts! Here is one to speculate on - If North had been offered a piece of the pie on the Ponzi scheme, do you think he would have signed on to it? No way......North is a legend in his own mind, but I don't think he is that damned stupid....he actually does "know people who know people" and somebody would have told him to stay the hell away. North seems to be a goof, not a brazen ballsy criminal with everything to lose. |
Author: | Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:01 pm ] |
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Look at the whack Madoff got and he PLEADED OUT. There is no incentive, in all probability, for Hernandez to plead out now!!!! This means North and BeBe will testify for the Government. This is just precious. They have to lay out the corporate structure and how much Hernandez invested on the stand. They have to tell the jury the offices they held and payments they received from Hernandez. "Street Smarts" inadmissible evidence. Great theatre!!! |
Author: | Scorehead [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:02 pm ] |
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SteveSarley wrote: Hernandez is charged with pulling off a $12,000,000 Ponzi scheme. It apparently involves all of his operations and not just the Webio like some people here think. Webio was a very small part of the DH empire gone sour. Do you really think that North can be in any trouble over this? I think the Norths figured that DH was the golden goose who would lay out the big bucks just to hang out with the media and sports stars. I think they figured they could bleed him dry until a better, more well-established group of sponsors came along. Isn't that the way he told it to Coppock. I think he really believed it, especially when DH gave Comcast $275,000 to sponsor MITM. He sure looked legit then, didn't he? So what did North do that was illegal? Even if he knew Hernandez served time years ago, so what? Was North involved with the day-to-day operation of Webio? Doesn't matter. Was North aware that the entire DH enterprise was just one big scam? I would bet not. Is North a bad guy for recruiting guys while there was talk of financial problems? For sure. Stupid? Yes. A bad guy? Yes. A criminal? Absoluely not. Well said. |
Author: | Score is doomed [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:10 pm ] |
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Aggravated Sox Fan Bob wrote: Look at the whack Madoff got and he PLEADED OUT. There is no incentive, in all probability, for Hernandez to plead out now!!!! This means North and BeBe will testify for the Government. This is just precious. They have to lay out the corporate structure and how much Hernandez invested on the stand. They have to tell the jury the offices they held and payments they received from Hernandez. "Street Smarts" inadmissible evidence. Great theatre!!! The best part is they are such MINOR players in the whole deal and they will be dragged in. Lawyers are expensive, even David Spada! The best part will be when they get sued by the victims to recover money, that's coming after the government is done. |
Author: | Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 8:27 pm ] |
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Score is doomed wrote: Aggravated Sox Fan Bob wrote: Look at the whack Madoff got and he PLEADED OUT. There is no incentive, in all probability, for Hernandez to plead out now!!!! This means North and BeBe will testify for the Government. This is just precious. They have to lay out the corporate structure and how much Hernandez invested on the stand. They have to tell the jury the offices they held and payments they received from Hernandez. "Street Smarts" inadmissible evidence. Great theatre!!! The best part is they are such MINOR players in the whole deal and they will be dragged in. Lawyers are expensive, even David Spada! The best part will be when they get sued by the victims to recover money, that's coming after the government is done. David Spada is probably a decent guy...a little star struck in the awesome presence of Mike North and Chet Coppock......but he advertises his expertise is in Traffic Court and Workman's Comp.....In Traffic Court in Cook County the Prosecutors and Judges are all rookies. David Spada wants NOTHING to do with the Feds.......in any capacity. He is smart enough to know that lying to the F.B.I. is a crime in itself. You don't have to talk...ever...but if you lie, you are indicted. |
Author: | 24_Guy [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:35 pm ] |
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SteveSarley wrote: Hernandez is charged with pulling off a $12,000,000 Ponzi scheme. It apparently involves all of his operations and not just the Webio like some people here think. Webio was a very small part of the DH empire gone sour. Do you really think that North can be in any trouble over this? I think the Norths figured that DH was the golden goose who would lay out the big bucks just to hang out with the media and sports stars. I think they figured they could bleed him dry until a better, more well-established group of sponsors came along. Isn't that the way he told it to Coppock. I think he really believed it, especially when DH gave Comcast $275,000 to sponsor MITM. He sure looked legit then, didn't he? So what did North do that was illegal?such Even if he knew Hernandez served time years ago, so what? Was North involved with the day-to-day operation of Webio? Doesn't matter. Was North aware that the entire DH enterprise was just one big scam? I would bet not. Is North a bad guy for recruiting guys while there was talk of financial problems? For sure. Stupid? Yes. A bad guy? Yes. A criminal? Absoluely not. If I get in my car and zoom down I-55 at 150mph, and I get pulled over, does the cop have to prove that I saw the speed limit sign? Can I just claim to be really stupid, and therefore I didn't break the law? There is such a thing as criminal negligence. Say you spot a guy running down the street. He comes to your door with a box filled with expensive jewelry, and says hey man, I'll give you this whole thing for 50 bucks, hurry. You give him the money and proceed to make thousands selling the items on eBay. When the cops show up at your door, do you really think a shrug of the shoulders and a "gee whiz how could I know the stuff was stolen?" absolves you of everything? For the sake of argument, let's say North knew everything about DH and his scheme. Don't you see how easy it is for him to just say he didn't know? Do you think the feds haven't heard that story before? I have no idea what North's involvement was or what will happen, but I do know that it's not just as simple as saying someone is dumb but not a criminal. |
Author: | Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:43 pm ] |
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All of us are making assumptions. I sure as hell assume the F.B.I. has spoken to the Norths. |
Author: | newper [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:45 pm ] |
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Aggravated Sox Fan Bob wrote: David Spada is probably a decent guy... David Spada presumably leaves restaurants in a rush right after finishing his food, then when police apprehend him, he claims that he was never presented with a bill so he does not owe anything. |
Author: | Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:49 pm ] |
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newper wrote: Aggravated Sox Fan Bob wrote: David Spada is probably a decent guy... David Spada presumably leaves restaurants in a rush right after finishing his food, then when police apprehend him, he claims that he was never presented with a bill so he does not owe anything. A lawyer "Bolting"? This guy would be nuts to do this. There is a Disciplinary Commission for lawyers that would have this guy on a shrink's couch so fast his belly would explode. Where is he been spotted bolting, Denny's? Bennigan's? Jeri's Grill on Montrose and Western? |
Author: | Jalapenos and More [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:12 pm ] |
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Spada pays in cash but tips in Robin Earlbucks. |
Author: | Frontman [ Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:13 pm ] |
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Excellent points Steve; save for one thing: It's all supposition. You're assuming that North just is an idiot. But he's an idiot that his whole career has been spent idolizing the mafia and that whole culture. Who knows if he was idiotic enough to think he could get his own 'bit of the action.' Until this case goes to trial; we'll never know what Mike or Bebe knew. Heck, Hernandez might even accuse the two of them in court (much like he did in the so-called 'fire and brimstone' meeting) so the truth is somewhere out there; and we may never learn it. And no, I don't think this qualifies as a X-file case. |
Author: | Aggravated Sox Fan Bob [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:39 am ] |
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Hernandez is obviously the guy the Govt. wants. Now he may try and cut a deal and start yapping. Feds throw the net out there. Start squeezing people. Who knows? All we are doing is speculating. North has proven over the years that he is all about North and self promotion and preservation. Hard for me to believe he would risk everything he has earned getting involved KNOWINGLY with a Ponzi scheme. More likely North and Chet viewed Hernandez as a mic sniffing groupie sugar daddy...a mark.....WHEN THEY WERE THE MARKS!!!!! NORTH BELIEVES HIS OWN BULLSHIT....BIG MISTAKE. |
Author: | Score is doomed [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:27 am ] |
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Aggravated Sox Fan Bob wrote: NORTH BELIEVES HIS OWN BULLSHIT....BIG MISTAKE. So very true. He's a washed up has-been who thinks he's important. |
Author: | Score is doomed [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 8:53 am ] |
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from the AP today "Federal authorities are pressing a probe of 10 associates of Bernard Madoff despite a sentence that means the mastermind of one of the biggest financial frauds in history will spend the rest of his days behind bars, The Associated Press has learned" |
Author: | Gloopan Kuratz [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:23 am ] |
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The key revolves around the supposed 30% of webio that Nort said he owned. If he really did own the 30%, and with BeBe being COO, it's hard to imagine the two of them walking away unscathed. If he really does own the 30%, it will be fun to see if any of the webio employees that had their checks bounce have the guts to sue Nort. |
Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:30 am ] |
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oh, i thought this thread was about lou pinella. nevermind. |
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