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I'm not a big fan of naming the segment 'The Pulse' - really, it's kind of sad that you have to have a name for callers talking about the sports topics of the day....

[U of I (the top state school) or Notre Dame (the top area Catholic school), which are themselves second- or third-tier schools? .

I'm not a big fan of naming the segment 'The Pulse' - really, it's kind of sad that you have to have a name for callers talking about the sports topics of the day....

I think you are going to have to do a little better fact checking on this statement.

I can come up with a half-dozen majors at the U of I that were ranked #1 in the 90's. What are the chances of across the board slippage in all these areas in the last 10-12 years?

Tall Midget wrote:

the U of I ... second- or third-tier

I can come up with a half-dozen majors at the U of I that were ranked #1 in the 90's. What are the chances of across the board slippage in all these areas in the last 10-12 years?

Coach Crapowski wrote:

Tall Midget wrote:

the U of I ... second- or third-tier

I can come up with a half-dozen majors at the U of I that were ranked #1 in the 90's. What are the chances of across the board slippage in all these areas in the last 10-12 years?

The early 90s were an entirely different era than after the early 90s......

I recognize the intangible value embedded in the brand names you listed.

The reference was to the published rankings of certain U of I departments by the representative bodies of their respective professions, e.g. IEEE for the Electrical Engineering and the Computer Science Departments, AICPA for Accountancy, ASCE for Civil Engineering, SOA for Actuarial Science, etc.

I thought UIC was the safety school for those who couldn't get into/afford U of I......or Bradley, or EIU, or NIU, or WIU, or...SIU...

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I think you are going to have to do a little better fact checking on this statement.

What do you take issue with?

I am not a booster or either school (nor detractor) and I do not have my copy of US News and World Report but I think you will find ND approaching those schools that you mentioned in all of the measurable areas that you mention.

U of I is another story because you only mentioned private schools, which have a different mandate than public universities. However, in a good amount of the "hard subject" fields U of I takes a back seat to no one. However, they do have more than their share of people who get in only so the school can reflect the geographic, economic and racial demographics of the state.

Tall Midget wrote:

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I think you are going to have to do a little better fact checking on this statement.

What do you take issue with?

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You are simply incorrect about Notre Dame's status.

As for U of I, its educational mission isn't relavant to this discussion. It is not an elite school.

Tall Midget wrote:

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You are simply incorrect about Notre Dame's status.

As for U of I, its educational mission isn't relavant to this discussion. It is not an elite school.

As for U of I, of course it is relevant. It is not one of but THE top school in several of the most difficult disciplines offered at a university. Applying to these schools within the university is equivalent to applying to your elite group (admissions and selectivity). It's faculty is renowned especially in its graduate schools (faculty and graduate schools). A degree from it is an assurance of an immediate and high paying job from a company of choice (job placement). However, if you apply to the school of agricultural sciences you will find some lesser lights.

Author:	good dolphin [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 10:53 am ]
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Just a few things I have noticed lately from the show: I like The Pulse and I think it was a good idea to extend the segment. Kill the Cubs/Sox dance party before you get into it. It was not good even as a concept, as B and B told you before the show. Who cares if you were in pre law. Pre law is to a lawyer, what English is to an author.

Author:	Javier Delgado [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:01 am ]
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Pre-Law also means he told us something else he flunked; So he's failed as a Lawyer/Producer/Salesman/Host - and even as a Braggart/Liar! - the four-breaking stories thing bit him in the ass big time.

Author:	BD [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:30 am ]
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I'm not a big fan of naming the segment 'The Pulse' - really, it's kind of sad that you have to have a name for callers talking about the sports topics of the day....IMO, too many hosts are trying too hard to come up with topics (that usually suck) when I much more favor just intelligent sports talk on any subject, caller to caller.

Author:	Tall Midget [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 11:53 am ]
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Quote: I'm not a big fan of naming the segment 'The Pulse' - really, it's kind of sad that you have to have a name for callers talking about the sports topics of the day.... I agree--the guy makes a big deal out of being incapable of coming up with a topic of his own. While I generally enjoy "The Pulse", it's only because Laurence's topics are frequently so strained or alternately, cliched. "The Pulse" de-Mes the Me show, and for that, I am greatful. Also, the pinhead stole the name of the segment from an ESPN show..... One other question: Why does this knobjob have to mention that he went to DePaul at least once every show? DePaul is OK, but isn't it pretty much a safety school for people who can't get into the U of I (the top state school) or Notre Dame (the top area Catholic school), which are themselves second- or third-tier schools? He talks about DePaul like it's an Ivy League school. I guess he's too dumb to know how dumb he sounds when he rhapsodizes about it.

Author:	good dolphin [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:01 pm ]
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Tall Midget wrote: [U of I (the top state school) or Notre Dame (the top area Catholic school), which are themselves second- or third-tier schools? . I think you are going to have to do a little better fact checking on this statement.

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Author:	EIU grad [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:20 pm ]
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Quote: I'm not a big fan of naming the segment 'The Pulse' - really, it's kind of sad that you have to have a name for callers talking about the sports topics of the day.... Don't we have the great ESPN kingdom to thank for this trend? We have "four downs" to talk about the NFL, they go through the "four gears" to talk about NASCAR, "fact or fiction" to talk about anything... Why?

Author:	Tall Midget [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:27 pm ]
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Quote: I think you are going to have to do a little better fact checking on this statement. What do you take issue with?

Author:	Tall Midget [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:37 pm ]
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Quote: I can come up with a half-dozen majors at the U of I that were ranked #1 in the 90's. What are the chances of across the board slippage in all these areas in the last 10-12 years? Do you honestly believe the U of I occupies the same educational plane as the Ivy League schools or other top places like the U of Chicago, Stanford, Duke or MIT? If so, you are kidding yourself.

Author:	Stinkfinger The Crow [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:38 pm ]
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Coach Crapowski wrote: Tall Midget wrote: the U of I ... second- or third-tier I can come up with a half-dozen majors at the U of I that were ranked #1 in the 90's. What are the chances of across the board slippage in all these areas in the last 10-12 years? The early 90s were an entirely different era than after the early 90s......

Author:	Dallas Winston [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:45 pm ]
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Stinkfinger The Crow wrote: Coach Crapowski wrote: Tall Midget wrote: the U of I ... second- or third-tier I can come up with a half-dozen majors at the U of I that were ranked #1 in the 90's. What are the chances of across the board slippage in all these areas in the last 10-12 years? The early 90s were an entirely different era than after the early 90s......

Author:	doug - evergreen park [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 1:51 pm ]
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I thought UIC was the safety school for those who couldn't get into/afford U of I......or Bradley, or EIU, or NIU, or WIU, or...SIU...

Author:	Tall Midget [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 2:18 pm ]
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Quote: I recognize the intangible value embedded in the brand names you listed. The reference was to the published rankings of certain U of I departments by the representative bodies of their respective professions, e.g. IEEE for the Electrical Engineering and the Computer Science Departments, AICPA for Accountancy, ASCE for Civil Engineering, SOA for Actuarial Science, etc. The value is not intangible--admissions standards, selectiveness, overall faculty quality, graduate school and job placement are all more or less measurable statistics. I am not saying the U of I is a bad school or that it doesn't have a fine engineering or accounting program. But again, if you think U of I occupies the same educational plane as the schools I mention above, you are kidding yourself.

Author:	good dolphin [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 3:50 pm ]
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Tall Midget wrote: Quote: I think you are going to have to do a little better fact checking on this statement. What do you take issue with? I am not a booster or either school (nor detractor) and I do not have my copy of US News and World Report but I think you will find ND approaching those schools that you mentioned in all of the measurable areas that you mention. U of I is another story because you only mentioned private schools, which have a different mandate than public universities. However, in a good amount of the "hard subject" fields U of I takes a back seat to no one. However, they do have more than their share of people who get in only so the school can reflect the geographic, economic and racial demographics of the state.

Author:	Tall Midget [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:13 pm ]
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Quote: I am not a booster or either school (nor detractor) and I do not have my copy of US News and World Report but I think you will find ND approaching those schools that you mentioned in all of the measurable areas that you mention. U of I is another story because you only mentioned private schools, which have a different mandate than public universities. However, in a good amount of the "hard subject" fields U of I takes a back seat to no one. However, they do have more than their share of people who get in only so the school can reflect the geographic, economic and racial demographics of the state. You are simply incorrect about Notre Dame's status. As for U of I, its educational mission isn't relavant to this discussion. It is not an elite school.

Author:	doug - evergreen park [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:02 pm ]
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yeah...us white kids in the top 20% of the class with 28 ACT scores are shit out of luck.......i didn't want to go there, but couldn't get in regardless. my UIC diploma says "University of Illinois" anyway. and in really small lettering below "upon recommendation of the Senate at Chicago."

Author:	Sleuth [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:41 pm ]
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F all those schools...ISU kills em all. Screw who's at the top in national standings; ISU has a 6:1 ratio girls to guys, they're all skanky, they're all hot...it's a win-win-win situation

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Author:	Ozmodiar [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:17 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: Tall Midget wrote: Quote: I think you are going to have to do a little better fact checking on this statement. What do you take issue with? I am not a booster or either school (nor detractor) and I do not have my copy of US News and World Report but I think you will find ND approaching those schools that you mentioned in all of the measurable areas that you mention. U of I is another story because you only mentioned private schools, which have a different mandate than public universities. However, in a good amount of the "hard subject" fields U of I takes a back seat to no one. However, they do have more than their share of people who get in only so the school can reflect the geographic, economic and racial demographics of the state. http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/colleg ... _brief.php I know some graduates of the University of Michigan who would disagree with you.

Author:	good dolphin [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:25 pm ]
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Well, if you say so... Right now it's just competing opinions. Come up with facts and I'll acknowledge that you are correct. As for U of I, of course it is relevant. It is not one of but THE top school in several of the most difficult disciplines offered at a university. Applying to these schools within the university is equivalent to applying to your elite group (admissions and selectivity). It's faculty is renowned especially in its graduate schools (faculty and graduate schools). A degree from it is an assurance of an immediate and high paying job from a company of choice (job placement). However, if you apply to the school of agricultural sciences you will find some lesser lights. It would be like if Harvard grouped all of its legacy admissions into a single school and set it off on its own curriculum. It would still be Harvard, but you would be able to tell who was really a Harvard mind.

Author:	good dolphin [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:41 pm ]
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Tall Midget wrote: Quote: You are simply incorrect about Notre Dame's status. As for U of I, its educational mission isn't relavant to this discussion. It is not an elite school. I don't consider USN+WR to be dispositive on our discussion however here are the relative ranks: Duke 5 Stanford 5 MIT 7 Chicago 15 ND 18 I think you can throw ND into the group you mentioned as the difference between the schools at this level is very small and volatile on a year to year basis. As for Oz UM 25 UI 42 There is not a huge difference going on there. I don't know how this works out. Maybe a better way to compare state versus private institutions is through their graduate schools. I would think the lesser minds get weeded out of state schools on the graduate level.

Author:	Ozmodiar [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 4:51 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: Tall Midget wrote: Quote: You are simply incorrect about Notre Dame's status. As for U of I, its educational mission isn't relavant to this discussion. It is not an elite school. I don't consider USN+WR to be dispositive on our discussion however here are the relative ranks: Duke 5 Stanford 5 MIT 7 Chicago 15 ND 18 I think you can throw ND into the group you mentioned as the difference between the schools at this level is very small and volatile on a year to year basis. As for Oz UM 25 UI 42 There is not a huge difference going on there. I don't know how this works out. Maybe a better way to compare state versus private institutions is through their graduate schools. I would think the lesser minds get weeded out of state schools on the graduate level.[/quote] I didn't go to either university and I agree with you. Unfortunately, I have worked with graduates of both and they will argue about your comment at length. That was my point.

Author:	good dolphin [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:04 pm ]
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I hear you about U of M people. Meanwhile David Terrell walked those hallowed halls for several years and U of I had people Efrem Winters.

Author:	Tall Midget [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 5:54 pm ]
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Quote: As for U of I, of course it is relevant. It is not one of but THE top school in several of the most difficult disciplines offered at a university. Applying to these schools within the university is equivalent to applying to your elite group (admissions and selectivity). It's faculty is renowned especially in its graduate schools (faculty and graduate schools). A degree from it is an assurance of an immediate and high paying job from a company of choice (job placement). However, if you apply to the school of agricultural sciences you will find some lesser lights. I never denied that U of I has several good programs with good students. At the top schools, though, EVERY program is one of the best. Find a program at Harvard that isn't top 5 or top 10. It's difficult to do. That's the difference between a place like Harvard, Yale, etc. and U of I. U of I supporters can't stop talking about their engineering school because it's one of the best. At Harvard, they don't talk about specific programs as much because EVERY program there is regarded as the best. Further, U of I is a safety school for people who don't get into the Ivies, etc., not the other way around. Again, it is not an elite institution. But it does have a few elite programs. As for Notre Dame and the rankings, I don't care what U.S. News says, though I am surprised that it has jumped up as high as it apparently is now compared to where it was a few years ago (in the 30s). Every college admissions officer knows that the USN criteria is a joke because it changes from year to year and the survey data can be manipulated by clever university administrators. Unless ND has radically altered its admissions criteria and degree requirements over the past couple of years, there's no way it is on the same plane as the U of C in terms of academics--Chicago has greater selectivity and a much more difficult curriculum. But U of C typically gets penalized in the rankings because it is more of a graduate institution than an undergraduate institution and it kills its students academically so they are not as "happy" as at other schools. For the purposes of graduate admissions, though, U of C is regarded as a top-tier school while Notre Dame is in the next one or two groups.

Author:	EG Greg [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:21 pm ]
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Lets not get all crazy and leave out that Big Ten school on Evanston. In my opinion a degree in most fields from there carries more weight than any other in-state school .

Author:	BlazingSize [ Thu Apr 13, 2006 6:29 pm ]
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I went to Loyola. Midget, something bad happened to you back when you were applying for colleges. You're keeping it bottled up. I can tell. Talk to us. We can help.