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Author:  BearBoy [ Fri May 26, 2006 9:13 am ]
Post subject:  SCORE v. MESSAGE BOARDS
Met a Score employee a few days ago and we dicussed this very same message board I am typing on this very same moment.

I asked if that Board was embraced or feared and the answer was more of a pain in the ass, as they don't feel it helps them.

The employee said more negative comments are made than anything, of which I had to point out to the Radio Guy, that is what what they do on the air. Point out negatives all day long.

I was then informed that we here on Chicago Sports fan message board are "not accountable" for what we type. I then explained to Mr. Executive that if he feels that us 'Cyberpunks' should be accountable, how so? and if we should be, how about the guys who vomit, bad, poor, boring and ignorant information all day?

His repsonse was that waqs what the ratings are for. really, then when does Mike North answer for 2 1/2 year of bad ratings?

I was really unimpressed with this persons attitude towards this site, as I did mention how other Radio Sports guys have used it to their advantage and it doesn't seem to be a problem for them?
Author:  shmedley [ Fri May 26, 2006 9:18 am ]
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In all honesty, how serious do you expect the station to take a message board featuring a handful of gripers, who, by the way, are still listening to the station.
Some who post here, do so in an extremely embarassing manner using slurs and profanity that cannot be taken seriously.

That said, I listened to B&B yesterday with Terry calling the Cubs players "pieces of crap" and the whole team a "piece of crap."
Maybe it's not wrong to call the on-air hosts of a station that is 30th in the market and gets it's tail kicked repeatedly by MVP, "pieces of crap", as well.
Author:  Woodridge Ryan [ Fri May 26, 2006 9:28 am ]
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Yea, I don't know why any talk show host would feel the need to "validate" this board. Who cares. This is just for us to get on here, talk some sports, and rant and rave about shows we listen to or used to listen to. At the very least, maybe a few of the guys can get a pulse on their show by reading things here, but they get plenty of calls and e-mails for that. I don't think anyone one this board feels like this needs to be "taken seriously." Is anyone doing that?
Author:  MUScholar21 [ Fri May 26, 2006 9:44 am ]
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This is a pretty lame excuse. You can bet your ass that if we were glowing about the genius that is Mike North, or raving about Murph, we'd have a lot of credibility. Unfortunately, they only hear/see what they want; if they actually cared about ratings, there wouldn't be a damn show on WSCR. Instead, they spin it however they want to just to justify their decisions. If they paid attention to this board, they might find a little bit of objectivity (yes, there are people on here with agendas and axes to grind) to improve their station. They might learn that people don't want Mike North talking politics, they are tired of Murph talking Cubs all the time, and Zach Zaidman wouldn't have a job. Instead, WSCR will continue to stick their heads in the sand until MVP is the only station in town.

If they want accountability, that's fine. Give me a ratings book, and they can learn that the only thing I listen to on the Score is Sox broadcasts. They'd learn that at no point in the day, am I even remotely tempted to flip the station because of the poor shows they have on. Instead, they'll paint me as some ESPN account exec or some other job there and ignore my commentary. Lord knows its more difficult to improve your station than it is to leave it the same. So Mitch and Co., keep taking the path of least resistance until you boys make like Mike Tyson and fade into "Bolivian."
Author:  Javier Delgado [ Fri May 26, 2006 11:08 am ]
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My turn at bat: the producers I've talked to say they love this place but the hosts & management do not. They all speculate about which one of them is hiding behind which name. Some of them love being talked about here since we usually go easy on them. They wonder who posts the memos usually seconds after Mitch or Paul sends them. They wonder if it's really Mitch who does this. (they also wonder why Mitch put his picture on the on-air website page!)
Author:  Beardown [ Fri May 26, 2006 11:14 am ]
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Pappy and B&B don't deal in speculation and loaded questions to players and club management. When the tables are turned they cry integrity and acountability. Bullshit. How many times does Boers drop hints that sometimes come true and other times is complete bullshit. Same thing happens here. Yeah nobody knows who anybody is here but they are not acountable when they are wrong despite knowing there names. Did Offman apologize for misrepresenting Ryan Dempsters words. No. This is one example of many over the years at the Score.
Author:  Spinnin' Bucket [ Fri May 26, 2006 11:19 am ]
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Accountable? We’re held more accountable than these clowns. At least we have the opportunity to get ourselves fired for screwing around at work. Let’s go through the WSCR line-up here: Mike North – habitually uses racial slurs, habitually plagiarizes the work of others. Mully & Hanley – no major complaints here. I’m sure they’ve made a random insensitive remark here and there, but they are in the minority of hosts that operate with some element of class. Murph – nonstop attacks on the Cub organization, demonstrated embarrassing behavior during cross talk multiple times, numerous reports of him treating young producers like garbage. Boers & Bernstein – regularly vulgar and tasteless, the biggest name-callers on the Chicago airwaves. I’d go into the WSCR bench, but I think you get the drift.

Also, let’s not pretend that we are reinventing the wheel here. There are message boards all over the net, for everything you could possibly imagine – sports, politics, music, hobbies, anything and everything. To act like somehow we are the bad guys is ridiculous. It’s part of modern technology. As Rosey would say, “deal with it”.
Author:  good dolphin [ Fri May 26, 2006 1:42 pm ]
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I don't post here for the executives at any of the stations. I post here purely for entertainment. If they look at it great. Maybe the board will provide some inspiration. If not, that is fine with me also. I will say this though, if I knew of a location where my clients could anonymously post praise or criticisms about me, I would certainly look at that location regularly. Even if I ultimately disagreed with the criticism, I would want to know what my clients were thinking.

As for accountability, well talk to people like Woodridge or Nastradamus about accountability. They took a beating here when they first logged on with "questionable" posts. Sure you will not get fired but bad posting certainly does not go unnoticed.

In the end we know for a fact that many people in sports radio in chicago use this as a resource. It is fun to see these personalities on an informal basis. However, that affirmation means absolutely nothing to me in life.
Author:  Woodridge Ryan [ Fri May 26, 2006 3:33 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote:
I don't post here for the executives at any of the stations. I post here purely for entertainment. If they look at it great. Maybe the board will provide some inspiration. If not, that is fine with me also. I will say this though, if I knew of a location where my clients could anonymously post praise or criticisms about me, I would certainly look at that location regularly. Even if I ultimately disagreed with the criticism, I would want to know what my clients were thinking.

As for accountability, well talk to people like Woodridge or Nastradamus about accountability. They took a beating here when they first logged on with "questionable" posts. Sure you will not get fired but bad posting certainly does not go unnoticed.

In the end we know for a fact that many people in sports radio in chicago use this as a resource. It is fun to see these personalities on an informal basis. However, that affirmation means absolutely nothing to me in life.


Well said.
Author:  dynasty [ Fri May 26, 2006 4:02 pm ]
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"Questionable" posts? Yeah I admit I did post a lot of b.s. Most of it was because I thought everyone on the board had the same opinions. So I wanted to stir things up. I did take a beating but I fought back and I haven't had any problems (for the most part) since then. I take credit for the 350+ people who have registered since me. :roll: :wink:

I would think that anyone that is selling any type of product would love "free" feedback. Yes, there are some derogatory comments, but most of it is constructive criticism. Considering most of the hosts do the same thing on the radio every day, they shouldn't have a problem with it. "Why do you listen if you don't like any of the shows?" Because I like hearing sports talk, but I want it to get better. It’s just like them disagreeing with management and players of local sports franchises. Do they stop watching the games because of this? No. They just state things that they feel will help the performance of the particular team.

As for caring what they think about this board, I don't give a shit. I don't post for anyone else approval. I stated the same thing when Mac started posting and a lot of the regulars started giving him a nice head job.
Author:  Contempt [ Fri May 26, 2006 5:01 pm ]
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The one person from the Score who I have talked to occassionaly pretty much said the same thing. All of us here bitch and moan and have nothing positive to say. Yet we still listen to their station. So why would they take us seriously?
Author:  Jason in Highland [ Fri May 26, 2006 5:40 pm ]
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i agree wholeheartedly with good dolphin. i post here because there are like-minded people here that listen to the same sports radio stations and shows that i do, and i thought it was a blast when i found this place on accident over a year ago. If someone from one of those aformentioned radio stations or shows see's it, that's fine. Some of our posting efforts have obviously not been in vain, as we've had at least 4 sports stations posting here as themselves (in no particular order, Rock, LH, drinky, and Mac-y Fish). If hosts or producers or anyone else choose to post here, that's awesome, if not....we don't need them to. This is our domain to complain, to discuss, to b.s. as we see fit.

We are accountable to each other, at least the reg.'s are, as good dolphin has said. Most of us have taken a beating of some sort at one time or another. It will continue to happen. The producer that said we aren't accountable for what we say is just talking complete shit. They see what goes on here. Everyone does
Author:  Beebo [ Fri May 26, 2006 5:43 pm ]
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Contempt wrote:
The one person from the Score who I have talked to occassionaly pretty much said the same thing. All of us here bitch and moan and have nothing positive to say. Yet we still listen to their station. So why would they take us seriously?


You know, that Mulligan/Hanley show today was just great. Didn't hear it, but I just have a feeling. And the updates... Wow!

And North's show still sucks.

Hmm, two positives and one (big, gaping) negative. No reason NOT to take me seriously, huh?

As for my "voting with my feet", well, this is someone who thinks we don't know how Arbitron ratings work. He must not read the board much, if it all.

Seriously, these guys have virtually no clue what their audience is like. Think about it: some people may write/call the PD, other people may show up at remotes. A very, very small sampling, I might add.
Author:  The Gridiron Assassin [ Fri May 26, 2006 10:15 pm ]
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I can understand why most radio hosts / management types don't like message boards:

A) We can't get hung up and called dopes.

B) We can't be cut off, talked over or mocked.

C) We're not susceptible to the 'bully pulpit'.

D) We can say whatever the fuck we want to, and don't have to worry about lawyers and/or the FCC.
Author:  Beardown [ Fri May 26, 2006 10:23 pm ]
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Great points Grid. That's why I like this web sit. Everybody gets an uninterupted say. Talk show hosts always scream about there right to criticize everybody. Their freedom of speech. They bitch about the FCC. But when it comes to critisism of them they are all worse then the FCC in controlling that kind of talk.
Author:  The Gridiron Assassin [ Fri May 26, 2006 10:43 pm ]
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Beardown wrote:
Great points Grid. That's why I like this web sit. Everybody gets an uninterupted say. Talk show hosts always scream about there right to criticize everybody. Their freedom of speech. They bitch about the FCC. But when it comes to critisism of them they are all worse then the FCC in controlling that kind of talk.


I couldn't disagree more...

Dope! ;)

just kidding...
Author:  Contempt [ Fri May 26, 2006 10:45 pm ]
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Basically, the stations can't bully us in this forum like they can when we call them.

The Score's promo "come onnnnn, talk to us!" Sure, it's that easy.
Author:  Lebron James's Hummer [ Sat May 27, 2006 12:52 am ]
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If any business owner had a place where they could look at the comments and feelings of their most passionate consumers, they should be extremely grateful and use it as an indispensable resource. It's not too hard to weed out the bullshit posts from the good ones.

Much like the Arbitron ratings can only account for a small portion of the listening audience, yet represent the whole, I would think this board is like that as well. We've got varying races, ages, etc here.

If we as a collective spend time reading and posting here about the topic of sports talk, that would lead me to believe that the collective cares about the topic they're posting on. And, while we may not be informed on all ends of the business, we do know what they like on our radio.

I'm not saying that Chunga or Space or any talent or producers should take anything that appears here and run with it, but they should look at this board to get the pulse of their listeners. If they have half a brain (and maybe they don't) they'd be able to easily dismiss the board's dipshits and know who is rational and who isn't.

But, if they don't, it's their choice, and in my opinion, their loss.
Author:  Beef Rockmore [ Sat May 27, 2006 6:45 am ]
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That makes way too much sense Hummer...

ESPECIALLY for a guy from Mokena... Eeh eeh eeh.....
Author:  doug - evergreen park [ Sat May 27, 2006 9:59 am ]
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Mac always talks about "growing" the show. I would think that having this almost "real time" response avenue could be used as a great tool for the station management and talent. And it's funny that the guy who gives the impression that he works the "hardest" (whatever that means) on the content and direction of the show, does just that. Uses the board to his advantage.....even if it's just answering questions from us.

WE give them content. Phone calls, emails, and this board.

Accountability? I look at it more as a bit of a hazing period:
"Hi welcome to the board, be prepared to get hammered on for the next two weeks and then intermittently for the next six weeks after that until we figure out your personality and you find your niche."
Author:  Pappy's Crappy [ Sat May 27, 2006 10:16 am ]
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When you think about it, isn't sports talk radio basically the same thing as a message board? People call or e-mail in, usually under some cloak of anonymity (haven't heard too many people call in lately and give their full, real name and address), vent about sports (more often than not in a negative manner), and their opinion is put out over the air for others to hear and comment on if they so desire.

What I'm hearing from these radio guys is, "It's OK for us to conduct and profit from what amounts to an on-air message board and have callers anonymously rip players and teams all day, but how dare you have an on-line message board where you rip US?"
Author:  Mr. Reason [ Sat May 27, 2006 2:30 pm ]
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Good call Hum, we are a free focus group for the fools. Companies and politicos pay big money for focus group data. As you said, this board has a diverse membership but all here like to watch sports and listen to sports radio.
Sounds like a good sample to me but what do I know.
Author:  The Gridiron Assassin [ Sat May 27, 2006 3:28 pm ]
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Pappy's Crappy,

To me, Sports radio should be a bunch of guys sitting around a bar spewing their opinions, some of which are good, some of which are a joke.

Then when you don't like the opinion you hear, you can either email or call the show - but if you're in a bar, you'd either argue with the ass clown, or go take a piss.

MJH is the last Chicago neighborhood corner tavern.
Author:  bigfan [ Sun May 28, 2006 10:24 pm ]
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I think Danielle Sorino (sp?) should be the new Morning hostess, with Mike Mulligan.

Note

Positive Comment
Author:  Punky Brewski [ Sun May 28, 2006 10:54 pm ]
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bigfan wrote
Quote:
I think Danielle Sorino (sp?) should be the new Morning hostess, with Mike Mulligan.

Note

Positive Comment


Danielle with Mully or Mike North? Or Danielle and Mully with North instead of Tranny and Fred?
Author:  bigfan [ Mon May 29, 2006 6:41 am ]
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Honestly, don't care.

They know they have a problem in the morning and the only reason changes havent been made is that Mike North is in control.

Mitch, Paul, etc can tell me/us everything different, but Annie just does not fit with the station at all, thus replacing her is a huge blow to Mike's ego and we cry and bitch about it.

I know everyone that posts here does not make up the entire listening audience for North's show, but it sure seems to be a number of them that USED to listen. Seems to be a good sample size from my statistic days in school.

I was a 24/7 Score guy. Used to catch some XRT now and then,but now JohnnyB/MikeMike in the AM and if I hear 5 minutes of the North show, that's alot.

Willing to wager you find 100 more former listeners that have changed listening habits in the same way.

Did they replace us/them?

Not without billboards! you can't get a new listener without billboards!
Author:  Javier Delgado [ Mon May 29, 2006 12:21 pm ]
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bigfan wrote:
I think Danielle Sorino (sp?) should be the new Morning hostess, with Mike Mulligan. Note Positive Comment


This is not the LOVE FM 100 message board -
this is the big HATE AM 670 message board.
Author:  good dolphin [ Tue May 30, 2006 1:07 pm ]
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Dynasty wrote:
"Questionable" posts? Yeah I admit I did post a lot of b.s. Most of it was because I thought everyone on the board had the same opinions. So I wanted to stir things up. .


Do I really have to refresh your memory about your silly polls era.

I appreciate you for what you are, not what you were.
Author:  nostradamus [ Tue May 30, 2006 1:33 pm ]
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big fan - i spend more time on this message board than i do listening to 670 / i also spend more time listening to johnny b than 670 / i also wish for the old "best of the score" overnites / that was the "cliffs notes" good stuff.
Author:  dynasty [ Tue May 30, 2006 2:29 pm ]
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GD I agreed with you.
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