I caught some of the Joe O and Rock show this past Saturday night, and of the gems that were tossed out were these two by Rock (I know the first one is and I'm pretty sure he said the second):

1. Tony Romo is a better quarterback than Jay Cutler
2. I knew the Sox were done in May

I scratch my head sometimes when I hear stuff like this and wonder how some people are given a chance to be on air.

#1 isn't a stretch. And #2 was true in May, but they went on that crazy run.

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chip, jealousy does not look good on you.

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Romo's career QB rating: 95
Cutlers career QB rating: 85

Number of playoff appearances in their 4 years as starters in the NFL:

ROMO: 3 out of 4 seasons, 4 games (only 1-3 in playoff games tho)

CUTLER: ZERO.

Not jealousy just bewilderment. I have no problem with getting new people on air, in fact I find it refreshing over former jocks and the constant barage of newspaper writers that are used as hosts. Statements like those, however, do make people wonder what are you thinking.

To newper, I disagree. Romo has had ample chances to succeed and with far better talent than Cutler has had between his time in Denver and Chicago. I doubt Romo would have had the success Cutler had in Denver if he was there and I guarantee that he wouldn't have put up the offensive numbers that Cutler did last year with the Bears if he was behind center. Perhaps he would have matched him on the interception number, but not the TD's or yardage--and that was a bad team.

To the second point, sure the Sox were miserable early...but that was MAY. There was still a lot of baseball to be played and no one really thought that either Detroit or Minnesota would run away with the division. After the Sox went on their run, which got them into first place no less, did Rock or Joe think they were done then?

Since 2007, Romo has played with 16 All Pro offensive players while Cutler has played with 3 (all of which came during one season in Denver when he, Brandon Marshall and Casey Wiegman made the team). Romo has had much better talent to work with over the years than Cutler has and I would offer that if the roles were reversed Romo would not put up comparable numbers.

Even on a bad Bears team last year, Cutler put up good numbers (excluding the interceptions). From the Bears media guide:2009 SEASON: Set franchise mark for single-season completions (336) and attempts (555), while throwing for 3,666 yards - the second highest mark in franchise history... Threw a career-high 27 TDs, third-most in Bears single-season annals... Became the fifth QB in Bears history to start all 16 games in a season... Finished with a passer rating over 100.0 on five occasions and completed 56 passes of 20+ yards, the most in franchise history since at least 1995... Ran for 176 yards on 43 carries (4.3 avg), the sixth most yards of any QB. GAMES PLAYED-STARTED: 16-16

Although its only two games in, Romo's qb rating is just over 83 while Cutler is over 121. Dallas was picked by some to make it to the Super Bowl this year...the Bears were considered to be also-rans.

Chip,

While I value your opinion on the issues you raised here....I'm a numbers guy.

Tony Romo is a better QB than Jay Cutler (don't let 2 games including one vs. DET fool you). I think the posters here already will back me up on that one.

As far as the White Sox, it's all about the numbers again. Did some research back in May both for my show and for Mully And Hanley as well. Only one team since 2001 was in the White Sox position at that time and made the playoffs.

Comparing the 2005 Houston Astros who were 15-23 on May 17th of that season were 9 games out of the division while the 2010 Chicago White Sox were 15-22 on May 16th of this season.

Now the 2005 Astros playing the NL could lean on the wild card while the AL since the inception of the Wild Card would come out of the east.

The Houston Astros played .640 ball in June, .759 ball in July, a bump in the road in Aug .481 ball, and in Sept played .607 ball

At the time in May when the White Sox were 9.5 back of the Twins with the Wild Card likely to come from the East, based on Ozzie's Guillen's career records in the second half (which is worse than Jerry Manuel's as Sox manager.....Guillen second half record well under .500)....

To me it was not too much of a stretch to think the Sox season was over. Based on the numbers and less on my love for the team.

Sometimes it helps to be a little objective and do some research Chip.

Thanks for listening....we do welcome your phone calls if you want to discuss further.

-RoCk

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and yes...

I held to my opinion through cake games vs. the NL and bad AL teams....

I don't like saying "told you so"......but fans need to look with their minds and not with their hearts sometimes.

-RoCk

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Rock is the astute one on this show.


But Chip, they say a few ridiculous things every show. The ones you picked were not.



EDIT: McNight and Rock was really good.

One day I am going to call in! lol Just when I hear the show, I am driving home from somewhere local, so I am in the car for only 3 minutes.

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Usually more than a few. The Romo vs. Cutler thing isn't ridiculous. Maybe Romo is better. Who cares? They aren't being traded for one another. But writing off any team that has the kind of pitching the White Sox do in May is ignorant. It has nothing to do with using numbers or one's head. The fact that they aren't going to win isn't evidence of these goofs being correct.

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What's wrong with the first opinion? This season aside, I think most people think that.

Here's some wisdom from John circa, March of last year:



He learned his prognostication skills from his former boss, Mikey Nort, it appears.
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuse ... =477308175

Same thing with the misogyny as well.

Although I don't listen to John's show, I do appreciate his irony as it manifests itself in the weight-loss treatment that he endorses.

These things are the dumbest things they've said. I don't hear them much but earilier this year they were asking why the Sox don't send guys like A.J, Quentin and other Sox veterans down to the minors. They were serious. I was stunned at what I was hearing. An emailer finally informed them that vets like AJ and the others they mentioned were out of options and you can't send them down to the minors. They have MLB tenure and you aren't allowed to option them to the minors. After the emailer informed them of this they were both kind of embarrased and quickly moved on.

I was shocked that people working at a sports station didn't know that. You don't even have to be a hard core sports fan to know this one.

I enjoy the hell out of the Joe O & Rock show.

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Joe O has a bad voice for radio

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yeah this seems like a stretch...using 1 month or 1.5 months to predict the rest of the season is pretty foolish. A lot can happen in a baseball season. i can predict after game 1 of the season that the a team will/won't make the playoffs and be correct. that doesn't mean i'm some kind of great prognosticator

Rock,
Thanks for hopping on and responding. First off I am objective when I look at these things. While I am both a Bears and White Sox fan I believe that, by using your logic, if the Sox were done in May then Dallas should be through now and the Bears should be playoff bound. I know its early in the season and that this is not necessarily going to be the case but it does follows your line of thinking.

Cuz youre drunk


Right?

Sometimes. yes. But I enjoy them sober too!

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I acutally feel bad for Rock. The entire Mike North thing hurt his radio chances. Look what he had to put up with? Look how miserable he looks. I actually feel his pain. Oy vey!!!!

Wait...didnt North help Rock early in his career?

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Phil, I listened the other night...Ostrowski sounded as if he had a cold...

Rock, the other problem that comes up with numbers is that they don't always tell the story, or the truth. Researching numbers in one thing, yet watching with an open mind is another. I've researched the players, but numbers don't account for everything. The Bears opener is a great example because when you look only at the numbers you would think that they blew out Detroit. That, we know, was not the case as they were saved by a silly rule to eliminate the winning TD.

If numbers are what you follow then one would think you would believe that Emmitt Smith is the greatest running back ever and Pete Rose the greatest hitter. Most experts agree that Smith was very good, but not in the class of a Payton or Brown, Sayers or even Barry Sanders. While Rose has the most hits ever, many baseball people see Ted Williams, Joe Dimaggio, and Mickey Mantle, among others, to be better. A case could even be made for Albert Pujols, Ichiro and Tony Gwynn. Would you rather face Rose or Williams with a game on the line?

Numbers can be misleading (look at how politicians spin numbers in polls and businesses with their record keeping books). You can use numbers to support an argument regardless of the side you are on. But they don't always paint the picture completely. Again, in comparing Romo and Cutler, Romo has had far better talent around him (in WR, RB and linemen) in his career to this point than Cutler has. Thus, on paper his numbers should be better. Cutler had no line to protect him (it looked like a jailbreak last year, this preseason and in the first series against Dallas) and his number one receiver would be, at best, a two or three on another team. Romo had fumble problems, yet had people like future Hall of Famer Terrell Owens to throw to. His rating is better, but games weren't on his shoulders to win like Cutler's was. Cutler seems to be able to make the talent around him better, and I don't think that is the case with Romo. Those are the types of intangibles that don't show up on paper that seperates players.

Rock, as for the Sox go look at some other numbers even later in the season to prove my point. The Colorado Rockies tremendous run to get to the playoffs and then the World Series several years ago...Lou Piniella manages two teams to the best record in baseball (Seattle and the Cubs), yet both lose in the first round...a not much above .500 team in the Saint Louis Cardinals wins the World Series just a few years ago. By the numbers, the Rockies should never have gotten to the playoffs let alone the world series. Based on records, both Seattle and the Cubs should have at least gotten to the World Series.

Heck, the Patriots were perfect several years ago ( and, thus, favored to win) but lost the Super Bowl to a team they beat in the regular season.

The point is that the numbers, while definately worth looking at, don't give the complete story and should not be the sole factor in making a decision.

You are making a case that Cutler is better than Romo. That's fair. However, you aren't making a case that it shouldn't even be a discussion.

If he had said that Caleb Hanie is better than Jay Cutler you'd be right on. However, it's not an accepted fact that Cutler is clearly better than Romo. Not a single person here has agreed with you that it is "stupid" to think Romo is better than Cutler even if they think Cutler is better.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

I recently heard Rock call Gordon Beckham a 'prospect'. A player that has reached the highest level of baseball is no longer considered a 'prospect' let alone a player that has been there for almost 2 years. You can discuss what type of impact he'll have as a major leaguer but calling him a 'prospect' is insulting and wrong.

Rick,
Perhaps "stupid" was too strong a word, but I still haven't gotten a good argument to defend Romo. Rock laid it out on the radio show like it was fact and I strongly disagree with it. Again, I say look beyond numbers to who one is surrounded with. Would you rather have Derrick Rose or Rajon Rondo? Rondo's averages for FG, 3pt FG, steals and rebounds are better than Rose's, but if you ask anyone around-myself included-they would take Rose. If the numbers support Rondo then why is that so? It's because of the intangibles that Rose has that makes him special. Both are great players, but I don't think people would trade Rose for Rondo.

Same goes for the Romo/Cutler debate. While people look at their career qb ratings they seem to not take into account other factors. I enjoy a good debate like anyone else, but I am waiting to hear what makes Romo better. Heck, if you want to look at playoff performances Rex Grossman won two games and played in a Super Bowl. That's double the number of wins Romo has (as somone used playoff appearances as an example). Does that make Grossman better or more valuable? Heck no. Trent Dilfer won more playoff games and is a Super Bowl champ. Is he better than Romo? I doubt it. Again, all I say is that there is more to it than numbers and I would like to hear the reasons to support the Romo side.

God I look awful.

oh...such memories.....

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