Who's the genius that came up this? Mitch Rosen?? Brooks Boyer??? This is the best you can come up with to promote bad Sox baseball on the Score? And it sounds like they are cross promoting this slogan with Score shows too. Nothing makes me "appreciate the game" like watching Matt Thornton meltdown on the mound while listening to two of the most insufferable bores ever to broadcast a baseball game.

Baseball is better here.

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JORR, I bet you loved the 5 ACES ads that the Cubs had going into 2004

That was awesome. Four roided up freaks and Greg Maddux looking like he was caddying for their foursome.

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Matt Clement was a roided-up freak?

You know what, every annual team slogan blows. They're all dumb and all they ever do is set you up for derision. That the Cubs are even going forth with one is insulting. They should be above it. Did they learn nothing, nothing at all from "Year One"?

That said, the Score co-opting "Appreciate the Game" to promote itself is clunky and half-assed, like most everything the Score does to promote itself. I mean, it's not as if this is such an inspired slogan that we need to get the most out of it.

"White Sox Baseball: Appreciate the Game. Mully and Hanley appreciate the game mornings 5 to 9!"
"HEY WE'RE TALKING AT KEN ROSENTHAL"
"That's appreciating the game!"

whatever.

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Maybe, maybe not. I'd put my money on it. But I guess you're not going to argue about the other three.

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Prior was a roided up freak. No question.

Although roided up freaks tend to recover more quickly from injury/workout - so how does that explain Wood? Not sure I'd put him on that list - would you? Never crazy-muscular, always hurt. Probably not on the juice.

And name the confirmed roided up freak that consistently has 15% + body fat? So, I'd say Zambrano probably wasn't either. He was just batshit crazy.

@ Matt Clement being on roids.

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I'm surprised Reisdorf hasn't gotten decked for this slogan yet. It's like he's telling his team's fans to either take the team for what it is (a piece of shit) or go fuck themselves.

MLB RUMORED 103 ANONYMOUS STEROID LIST FROM 2003

1.Nomar Garciaparra
2.Manny Ramirez
3.Johnny Damon
4.Trot Nixon
5.David Ortiz
6.Shea Hillenbrand
7.Derek Lowe
8.Pedro Martinez
9.Brian Roberts
10.Jay Gibbons
11.Melvin Mora
12.Jerry Hairston
13.Jason Giambi
14.Alfonso Soriano
15.Raul Mondesi
16. Aaron Boone
17.Andy Pettitte
18.Jose Contreras
19.Roger Clemens
20.Carlos Delgado
21.Vernon Wells
22.Frank Catalanotto
23.Kenny Rogers
24.Magglio Ordonez
25.Sandy Alomar
26.Bartolo Colon
27.Brent Abernathy
28.Jose Lima
29.Milton Bradley
30.Casey Blake
31.Danys Baez
32.Craig Monroe
33.Dmitri Young
34.Alex Sanchez
35.Eric Chavez
36.Miguel Tejada
37.Eric Byrnes
38.Jose Guillen
39.Keith Foulke
40.Ricardo Rincon
41.Bret Boone
42.Mike Cameron
43.Randy Winn
44.Ryan Franklin
45.Freddy Garcia
46.Rafael Soriano
47.Scott Spiezio
48.Troy Glaus
49.Francisco Rodriguez
50.Ben Weber
51.Alex Rodriguez
52.Juan Gonzalez
53.Rafael Palmeiro
54.Carl Everett
55.Javy Lopez
56.Gary Sheffield
57.Mike Hampton
58.Ivan Rodriguez
59.Derrek Lee
60.Bobby Abreu
61.Terry Adams
62.Fernando Tatis
63.Livan Hernandez
64.Hector Almonte
65.Tony Armas
66.Dan Smith
67.Roberto Alomar
68.Cliff Floyd
69.Roger Cedeno
70.Jeromy Burnitz
71.Moises Alou
72.Sammy Sosa
73.Corey Patterson
74.Carlos Zambrano
75.Mark Prior
76.Kerry Wood
77.Matt Clement
78.Antonio Alfonseca
79.Juan Cruz
80.Aramis Ramirez
81.Craig Wilson
82.Kris Benson
83.Richie Sexson
84.Geoff Jenkins
85.Valerio de los Santos
86.Benito Santiago
87.Rich Aurilia
88.Barry Bonds
89.Andres Galarraga
90.Jason Schmidt
91.Felix Rodriguez
92.Jason Christiansen
93.Matt Herges
94.Paul Lo Duca
95.Shawn Green
96.Oliver Perez
97.Adrian Beltre
98.Eric Gagne
99.Guillermo Mota
100.Luis Gonzalez
101.Todd Helton
102.Ryan Klesko
103.Gary Matthews

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Cool. Unfounded rumors.

I'll stick by my examples.

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Cool. And I'll go with a list dug up by multiple professional reporters over the opinions of a casual observer. Maybe the list is phony. Maybe it isn't. But obviously there's not a real good reason to over the idea that Matt Clement was gassed up for the short time when he could throw his fastball through a brick wall.

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You remember Matt Clement's "out pitch" being an overpowering fastball?

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Appreciate the Shit Show.

Absolutely. He was a hard-throwing SOB for awhile there.

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ding. carlos aint on sterroids... he used to do the celebrity bartender thing like farnsworth did... he's genuinely a big ol fun-loving overgrown manchild who like, his thing was that he DIDNT work out and put in effort cuz he got by on natural talent for so long.

btw, anyone been watching him this year? carlos was always better when he wasn't throwing his fastball 95+ cuz it straightened out. now that he's lost of his arm.....

Carlos Zambrano (2012): 7g 7gs 1w 2l 0sv 0bsv 0hld 1cg 1sho 48.0ip 33h 11r 10er 3hr 17bb 39k 1.88era 1.04whip .205baa

i'm just sayin...... #rosemont

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At first, I was goiing to question the Clement thing, but then thinking about it, his career path and when he did what he did kinda follows the steroid trail

I wouldnt be surprised.

Zambrano was probably taking shit in the old country

I dont think Prior ever took anything illegal

What is the steroid trail?

Just to move things along, please remember that you have claimed that there is no steroid career arc. http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?p=1217695#p1217695

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He was at his best when steroid use was seemingly at its peak and quickly faded away after testing.


I dont think that changes anything I wrote there.

Four out of five aces recommend steroids for their fellow pitchers who use performance enhancing drugs.

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If you HAD to bet $5,000 on each member of the 2005 White Sox being on steroids, who would you bet yes on?

Ill start you off

1. Cliff Politte

Sounds like you are describing a "Steroid career arc" there which I was told doesn't exist.

Anyways, just interesting to read your thoughts on the pages around that post I linked and then other times you talk about steroids.

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Joe Crede!

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

1) Rowand

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Of course RPB means other than the obvious answer of Frank Thomas...

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No, actually Im adding another type of career to the steroid list. The pitcher with good stuff who threw 94 for a couple years. Thats another type of career. It strengthens what I said.

Really? Thats it?

You dont think Politte was taking something?

Lets go to the Mountain of PED Hypocrisy for a GM in Kenny Williams and Manny Ramirez!!!!!!!!!!!

Kenny before Manny!

“Any time the purity of the game is put at risk, the competitiveness, the equal chance to compete on the field on a daily basis, [it hurts the game],” Williams said. “Absolutely it’s to the detriment of the game and we, as players, as people in management and coaches and everyone on the peripheral, have a responsibility.

“[The media] are part of that group. There is a responsibility to be caretakers of the game, and conduct ourselves that people before us did so. Yes, if anyone tells you it’s not a black mark each time any of these things happen, they’re kidding themselves.”

Kenny After Manny

“(Ramirez) explained exactly what he thought he was taking and the reason for it,” Williams said. “So absent of any sort of proof, who am I to make such judgments against a guy in that fashion?"

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Before, you said that a steroid career arc doesn't exist. In this thread, you described a steroid career arc. It's as simple as that.

It doesn't strengthen your case. You are admitting that we can look at certain career profiles and see what a steroid user typically looks like. There can be more than one. However, if someone, say Ken Griffey Jr., doesn't fit in with that profile, it can be used as evidence that they may not have taken steroids. It's not definitive proof but it is evidence.

That's the point. You believe that steroid career arcs exist. Admit it and we can move on.

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