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Damn, dude averages 4 posts a year. I bet people wished I would do the same. :oops:

conns7901 wrote:

Keeping Score wrote:

Damn, dude averages 4 posts a year. I bet people wished I would do the same. :oops:

Hey dammit, you're supposed to be keeping me up to date on Royce. Get to work.

Today Zack Zaidman said Lovie Smith had a better winning percentage with the Bears than Mike Ditka.

It's not even close, really. Mike Ditka is a full game and a half better per season than Smith (which probably would have saved Smith's job this season).

Ditka's winning percentage with the Bears is .631. Smith's was .563.

This was not that difficult to figure out.

Zack may have meant that Ditka's overall winning percentage, which was .560 including his years with the Saints, was lower than Smith's. Unfortunately that is not what he said. What he said came off as though he was acting as propaganda minister for Smith.

ZZ did not say that.

He said it was Ditka's NFL head coaching %

Get your facts straights.

He was also doing some mathmatical gymnastics in talking about Lovie's win percentages if you took his record against Green Bay out of the equation...you know, the team in their own division who were used as a standard since day 1 of his employment. At the very least, if you take out GB then also take out the Lions to give some accuracy to an average.

RFDC wrote:

ZZ did not say that.

He said it was Ditka's NFL head coaching %

Get your facts straights.

Actually, he said Mike Ditka's winning percentage with the Bears, not NFL head coaching percentage.

Facts were correct.

His facts were straight, just misleading and stupid.

Take out every team and Lovie never lost a game.

good dolphin wrote:

It's like when Wanny would say, "Aaap, it was just a couple of big plays that beat us, aaap"

Author:	juschill [ Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:51 pm ]
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Today Zack Zaidman said Lovie Smith had a better winning percentage with the Bears than Mike Ditka. It's not even close, really. Mike Ditka is a full game and a half better per season than Smith (which probably would have saved Smith's job this season). Ditka's winning percentage with the Bears is .631. Smith's was .563. This was not that difficult to figure out. Zack may have meant that Ditka's overall winning percentage, which was .560 including his years with the Saints, was lower than Smith's. Unfortunately that is not what he said. What he said came off as though he was acting as propaganda minister for Smith.

Author:	RFDC [ Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:53 pm ]
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ZZ did not say that. He said it was Ditka's NFL head coaching % Get your facts straights.

Author:	Hatchetman [ Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:54 pm ]
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Zach doesn't have those kind of math skills.

Author:	conns7901 [ Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:23 pm ]
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Keeping Score wrote: Damn, dude averages 4 posts a year. I bet people wished I would do the same.

Author:	leashyourkids [ Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:30 pm ]
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We all know what Zaidman was getting at. He was comparing one Bears coach to another but skewed the stats to include Ditka's career totals and not just Chicago. Its an irrelevant comparison if Ditka's Nawlins numbers are included. Zaidman has a PhD in ass licking, and it continues even after Lovie's employment was ended.

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Author:	conns7901 [ Mon Dec 31, 2012 11:33 pm ]
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Keeping Score wrote: conns7901 wrote: Keeping Score wrote: Damn, dude averages 4 posts a year. I bet people wished I would do the same. Hey dammit, you're supposed to be keeping me up to date on Royce. Get to work. Went out for dinner. You need to follow anxious Royce. It is the anti Royce white.

Author:	sinicalypse [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:29 am ]
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juschill wrote: Today Zack Zaidman said Lovie Smith had a better winning percentage with the Bears than Mike Ditka. It's not even close, really. Mike Ditka is a full game and a half better per season than Smith (which probably would have saved Smith's job this season). Ditka's winning percentage with the Bears is .631. Smith's was .563. This was not that difficult to figure out. Zack may have meant that Ditka's overall winning percentage, which was .560 including his years with the Saints, was lower than Smith's. Unfortunately that is not what he said. What he said came off as though he was acting as propaganda minister for Smith.

Author:	juschill [ Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:22 pm ]
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RFDC wrote: ZZ did not say that. He said it was Ditka's NFL head coaching % Get your facts straights. Actually, he said Mike Ditka's winning percentage with the Bears, not NFL head coaching percentage. Facts were correct.

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:34 am ]
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He was also doing some mathmatical gymnastics in talking about Lovie's win percentages if you took his record against Green Bay out of the equation...you know, the team in their own division who were used as a standard since day 1 of his employment. At the very least, if you take out GB then also take out the Lions to give some accuracy to an average.

Author:	Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:43 am ]
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good dolphin wrote: He was also doing some mathmatical gymnastics in talking about Lovie's win percentages if you took his record against Green Bay out of the equation...you know, the team in their own division who were used as a standard since day 1 of his employment. At the very least, if you take out GB then also take out the Lions to give some accuracy to an average. Take out every team and Lovie never lost a game.

Author:	RFDC [ Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:45 am ]
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juschill wrote: RFDC wrote: ZZ did not say that. He said it was Ditka's NFL head coaching % Get your facts straights. Actually, he said Mike Ditka's winning percentage with the Bears, not NFL head coaching percentage. Facts were correct. No they weren't. I listened to the segment 2 times. He said his NFL heach coaching percentage. Take your weak shit out of here.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:56 am ]
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His facts were straight, just misleading and stupid.

Author:	RFDC [ Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:59 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: His facts were straight, just misleading and stupid. ZZ's facts were straight. Juschill's were not. I hope he does not have heart issues.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:06 am ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Take out every team and Lovie never lost a game. Lovie is undefeated in 2013.

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Author:	Chus [ Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:43 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: He was also doing some mathmatical gymnastics in talking about Lovie's win percentages if you took his record against Green Bay out of the equation...you know, the team in their own division who were used as a standard since day 1 of his employment. At the very least, if you take out GB then also take out the Lions to give some accuracy to an average. It's like when Wanny would say, "Aaap, it was just a couple of big plays that beat us, aaap"

Author:	SomeGuy [ Wed Jan 02, 2013 8:58 pm ]
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Chus wrote: good dolphin wrote: He was also doing some mathmatical gymnastics in talking about Lovie's win percentages if you took his record against Green Bay out of the equation...you know, the team in their own division who were used as a standard since day 1 of his employment. At the very least, if you take out GB then also take out the Lions to give some accuracy to an average. It's like when Wanny would say, "Aaap, it was just a couple of big plays that beat us, aaap" "Ya know, aaaaaap, if it wasn't for those three 50 yard TD passes in the 4th quarter we might have won!"

Author:	sinicalypse [ Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:06 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: He was also doing some mathmatical gymnastics in talking about Lovie's win percentages if you took his record against Green Bay out of the equation...you know, the team in their own division who were used as a standard since day 1 of his employment. At the very least, if you take out GB then also take out the Lions to give some accuracy to an average. AHA, that's what it was.... cuz i distinctly remember zach spouting off about some .673 winning % and posing the question to laurence "whoever you get, are they going to give you better than .673?" and carrying on with his obviously-arbitrary winning % being some sort of bedrock foundation to him being right, which of course was hedged by his hub-esque desire to bookend everything he said with "THERE ARE VERY CONVINCING ARGUMENTS FOR BOTH SIDES OF THIS" quality stuff.