Spmack, do you have anyone in particular you are thinking about?

What are your thoughts on:

Win/Loss record vs WHIP?
Bryant, Send him to AAA for 12 days, YES OR NO?

Who will be the first all-star?
(A)Rodon,(B)Solar,(C)Bryant or choice (D) None of the above (E)All of the above (F)Other

Cutler, Keep him or cut him?

Rose, Done or comeback player of the year next year?

Favorite chicago player of all time?

and most importantly.... Favorite sports talk host?
Least favorite host?

Welcome to CSFMB

Spmack, do you have anyone in particular you are thinking about?

To start I have to go with WHIP. Simple reason is that a W/L record really doesn't tell the story of how good a pitcher is because of the times he may have tossed a gem but lost 1-0 or 2-1. I think WHIP is a better indicator because it places emphasis on a pitcher's actual performance.

smart money's on jason goff.

Sini, this is the type of bullshit I'm talking about. I haven't mentioned you in any way since you sent me PM's and crazy twitter messages at 3 in the morning or something telling me to leave you alone. If I can agree to that, you can't keep cashing this "spmack and goff" check.

This will be the LAST time I'll talk about it. Got it?

That line of thinking is based on a faulty premise, but it's been repeated so often in recent history that it has become accepted as indisputable truth. The object of the game is not to keep runners off base.

The pitchers object is to keep runs off the board. Keeping runners off base is a great way to do that.

The pitcher's object is to allow less runs than the pitcher(s) he is facing.

DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMMNNNNNNNNNNNN SPMACK JUST GOT ETHERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

see dude? all those times you were a sanctimonious prick to me on the board like "enough sini" when i said that pharoahe monch was the best rapper from new york (i'm not allowed to have opinions in public on topics that spmack wants to be racist about), or the other reference i just made.... all i'm doing to you is what you've done to me on the board for a long time dude...

and you can't take it back. i just made you crack right here in the same way you kept on trying to do it to me, and very publicly i might add... and whaddya know... you kept on cashing the "sini is racist" check and i kept on cashing the "spmack and goff are DL" check and welp, now you know how i felt dude. and in a very public way too i might add, just like you did to me.

and btw is that an implicit or implied threat you gave me about the LAST time/ i made it clear to you every time i talked shit to you that i have no beef with you IRL and i'd just annoy you online... when you say shit like this.... wow. very murky indeed. i hope everyone takes note of this. this is why ex radio guy seemed to think you'd take cycy's nudes and hold them over her head when you got famous... there's possibly a darkside to spmack.

for what it's worth, i've shit talked people online and had them boast they hired PIs to come and get me before. if you meant to imply there will be IRL consequences for kicking your ass at messageboarding time and time again to settle some e-beef you started with me, welp, lol.... dude... you have no idea about me. not that i'd kick your ass, but like.... haaaa. dude. you aint the only one watching me buddy.

In other words, trying to keep runs off the board.

WHIP is a good stat. It tells you a lot about what kind of pitcher you have. It doesnt mean Wins are meaningless.

I didn't say WHIP wasn't a good stat, did I? It's highly valuable for a reliever. But a starting pitcher doesn't work that way. In fact, sometimes it's to his benefit to allow a run in order to prevent more runs.

Obviously, there is correlation between baserunners and runs scored. But I don't believe the best starting pitcher is necessarily the one who allows the least runs. And the best starting pitcher usually isn't the one who allows the least baserunners.

And I think the best pitcher usually is around the top in WHIP

Of course. But it penalizes a certain type of pitcher. Mark Buehrle allows more baserunners than Javy Vazquez or Jeff Samardzija but they certainly aren't better starting pitchers than Buehrle.

Christ on a wheel we're not having the wins v. Whip argument again are we?

If you want to.

How many times have you lost that argument?