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Hawg Ass

Post subject: Re: Next Manager of the Crew?

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 12:50 pm

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I don't necessarily agree with you on his bullpen management.

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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:01 pm

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Hawg Ass wrote:

I don't necessarily agree with you on his bullpen management.

I don't know the cumulative bullpen ERA in his playoff appearances. I'd guess it isn't good. This year his starters shit the bed so this particular series isn't on him.

Now, I understand you have to get there, but I will never be a fan of any manager destroying young cheap arms. Now almost all of them do it, and Counsell in particular has done it from the gitgo. OF COURSE, he has guys up and throwing 1 or 2 batters early. I saw a post here praising it.

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Hawg Ass

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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:29 pm

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Nardi wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

I don't necessarily agree with you on his bullpen management.

The thing is, he uses his whole bullpen. Pitchers will never pitch after throwing back to back days and he doesn't do that very often either. If you are in the pen, you aren't there as a number, you will be in the games.

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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:59 pm

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Hawg Ass wrote:

Nardi wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

I don't necessarily agree with you on his bullpen management.

Josh Hader 81-1/3 innings 2018. 75-2/3 2019. Hurt, then bad.

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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 2:00 pm

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Hawg Ass wrote:

Nardi wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

Nardi wrote:

They'll hire a cookie cutter. Same as everybody else.

Yes, because that has been such their track record.

What's different about Counsell?

He will be frustrating with his lineups and constant changing, but he seemed to always have complete buy in by the clubhouse. You never heard of any issues internally, that is a Huge part of the battle.

Further he had their respect as a former player that had to bust his ass to get everything he got.

Counsell: Bad Cop
Murph: Good Cop

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Post subject: Re: Next Manager of the Crew?

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 6:35 pm

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Nardi wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

Nardi wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

I don't necessarily agree with you on his bullpen management.

Josh Hader 81-1/3 innings 2018. 75-2/3 2019. Hurt, then bad.

75-80 innings is at the high end but still a reasonable workload for a reliever. It is an inning every other day.

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Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:00 pm

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:

Nardi wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

Nardi wrote:

Hawg Ass wrote:

I don't necessarily agree with you on his bullpen management.

Josh Hader 81-1/3 innings 2018. 75-2/3 2019. Hurt, then bad.

75-80 innings is at the high end but still a reasonable workload for a reliever. It is an inning every other day.

It's not the innings per se. It's also the appearances. It's the up and throwing 4-5 days a week. It's a sweatshop. Bullpens are a wild shot in the dark for every team, every year, for a reason.

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Hawg Ass

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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 9:07 am

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He doesn't get them up and throwing and not use them though, I don't understand where you are coming from with that. Again, he likes to use the whole bullpen and hates a hitter seeing a pitcher 3 times.

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Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 9:23 am

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Hawg Ass wrote:

And he gets them up early enough. Too many times this year, Ross got a guy up in the bullpen one batter too late, sometimes multiple times in a single game.

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Nardi

Post subject: Re: Next Manager of the Crew?

Posted: Wed Nov 08, 2023 5:22 pm

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Bullpen pitches count. They are bullets being used. Being up early is sweatshop tactics. Unless you are saying they come in early also. Which also makes the case for the sweatshop.

There's 162 of these motherfuckers. You don't have to drag guys out of the bullpen every time you have a little stomachache.

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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:08 pm

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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:14 pm

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Posted: Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:14 pm

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I find one thing very interesting so far, not one word from Yelich. I believe he is sincerely pissed and doesn't want to say the wrong thing.

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Post subject: Re: Next Manager of the Crew?

Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:47 pm

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The Brewers are expected to promote longtime bench coach Pat Murphy to the manager’s chair, where he will replace longtime manager Craig Counsell after his departure to the Cubs, per Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic.

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Hawg Ass

Post subject: Re: Next Manager of the Crew?

Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:25 am

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RFDC wrote:

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Sounds like Rickie Weeks may be the bench coach, aka, manager in training.

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good dolphin

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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:20 am

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I don't think we lose anything with Murphy as our manager

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Hawg Ass

Post subject: Re: Next Manager of the Crew?

Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:11 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

I don't think we lose anything with Murphy as our manager

With the whole coaching staff returning, I don't see how a lot can change.

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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:12 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

I don't think we lose anything with Murphy as our manager

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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:13 pm

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good dolphin wrote:

I don't think we lose anything with Murphy as our manager

Plus all the motivation we need with what the Cubs stole from us.

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Posted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 7:04 am

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Hawg Ass wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

I don't think we lose anything with Murphy as our manager

With the whole coaching staff returning, I don't see how a lot can change.

Agreed.

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Hawg Ass

Post subject: Re: Next Manager of the Crew?

Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2024 7:35 am

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Caller Bob wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

I don't think we lose anything with Murphy as our manager

Just ten wins

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