Death penalty makes a lot of innocent people lose their jobs.

Best punishment is to destroy their on-field product.

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Out of curiosity, did the NCAA state that they will require Penn State to implement any sort of policy or redesigned internal processes? Or did they just resort to fire-at-the-hip justice?

This is worse than the death penalty and it doesnt punish the other Big Ten teams. They have just became the Fighting Armadillos.

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You mean they are going to PAR-TAY with Sinbad?



We need Straight Arrow Ed Generro, now more than ever.

I was thinking the same thing.....there's gonna have players go both ways, if you pardon the expression.

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I think the 1 year death penalty in addition to those sanctions would help achieve that. I realize innocent people will be effected. They will regardless in a scenario this awful. I dont think that should be factored into punishments.

I also agree with the point others have made about how this being so unprecedented really means there is no right or wrong answer. Just opinions. I don't even think the Baylor situation is comparable, although it seems like the closest thing. After what the Freeh report revealed about the actions of University President and AD, not to mention Joe, I don't think there is many possible punishments that were being considered that would be too harsh.

We will know in 2022 if these sanctions had the desired effect. It's impossible to know in the next five years.

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Censure, probation, and loss of $13M in Big Ten bowl money.

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$73 million and not yet counting the fleeing of sponsors/advertisors.

Is there a more toxic brand in the country than Penn State right now?

This is the starve and torture penalty rather than the death penalty. The program still exists it is just a miserable shell of itself.

Penn State has to remember it's name. Reek reek it rhymes with weak.

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I was sure hoping a GoT reader would happen across that reference.

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In all seriousness, what good does shutting down the program for a year do? Is it going to be like "Oh wait, our bad football team isn't playing today, now I get it that what we did was bad!"?

They've effectively destroyed the program for 5 years and the next 5 will be tough too without damaging 12 other schools who didn't do anything.

It's actually really easy. These penalties accomplish the goal of destroying Penn State football and the legacy of Joe Paterno. The "death penalty" wouldn't really add any extra punishment to Penn State(that's why they get the $60 million fine). It would only hurt other schools.

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The money is the least onerous of the penalties. I think PSU's endowment is near $2 billion. I'm sure they'll be able to find the funds to deal with those fines without much pain.

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All that is basically opinion and unprovable for another decade. Save the strawman about PSU "learning a lesson." I'm sure they know the actions of their administrators were deplorable, to say the least. This isn't about TEACHING, it's about PUNISHING. A 1 year death penalty could only be more effective in destroying the program, when added to these sanctions.

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Should have been a permanent death penalty, pending review in 10 years.

typo edit

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Hopefully they'll take the $12M/year over the next 5 years out of the football budget rather than the general/academic funds.

Hopefully.

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Can the university go after the Paterno Family/Sandusky Family for any kind of civil suits?

If they just had a guy donate $100 million to Penn State Hockey I think they'll find someone to cover the 60 million.

Explain why it would be more effective. Assuming that the $60 million fine wouldn't be there with the death penalty(that's why it's there, so they lose at least one years total football revenue) what exactly changes?

Now, you have 12 other schools who get damaged, along with hundreds of thousands of other people, many of whom aren't even associated with any University.

So FavreFan, if these penalties don't go far enough, feel free to predict what you see happening to Penn State over the next 5-10 years. I think the damage will be massive. You obviously don't.

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The Leaders Division now has 2 teams ineligible for champ game. It's down to Illinois, Wisconsin, Purdue, Indiana.

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Now is our chance to shine!

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I've already reported Bucky Chris to NCAA authorities for sending Russel Wilson an ipod.

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Maybe time to change to the Leaders and Cheaters Divisions.

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Once Illinois swoops in and gets Matt McGloin it'll be off to the Rose Bowl.

I'll be at the Big Ten Luncheon on Friday.

I'm going to yell "BERNSTEIN SAYS HELLO!!" and throw tomatoes at Bill O'Brien.

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You have to realize the logical inconsistency in your argument. Losing 1 game will be way too harsh of a penalty for another school that wasnt involved, yet losing 12 games will not mean anything to PSU? That just makes no damn sense.

It's obvious that the death penalty would have further damaged the football program and the university. You're the only person I've ever heard argue that it would be ineffective. Every other person I've heard discuss it says the ramifications would be huge. You already said you don't think a lot of players will leave. Well its a hell of a lot easier, even with SERIOUS SANCTIONS, to replace 20% of the roster than 100% of the roster. This is just common sense.

As for predictions, I'm not too sure what the program will look like a decade from now. Either way, I believe they are more damaged by reputation by than the tangible punishment levied against them. If I had to guess I'd say they will be middle of the pack in the Big 10 in 2022.

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All this talk over the right to get smoked by (Insert SEC or Pac 10 team) in a bowl game

might even be insured against the such claims

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Penn State has lost far more than 12 games for this next season. So Penn State can't play next year? What do they lose they haven't already lost? They are going to be terrible and embarrassed. They are losing $60 million in fines, and they still have to pay everyone to work the games likely to poorly attended games. In 2013, they may even see some major declines in season tickets.
I believe I said that I don't think 80% of the roster will leave. A lot will. They'll lose almost all of their recruiting class and it will be bad for a long time too.
Someone who is making a case that these punishments weren't severe should be more willing to answer the question.

Penn State is going to be really bad for a long time. The program is destroyed regardless of the "death penalty".

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FF, of course missing a full season in addition to this would be bad but that just doesnt hurt PSU. Every worker in the stadium and every worker in the stadiums for their missed road games would be affected. Thousands of people losing pay.

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