I don't think Illinois would turn down a forfeited win. That might be their one big ten win of the season.

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Collateral damage should be avoided if a better option is available. Are you missing that part? Let me put it another way. The "death penalty" would go away after a year or two. A 5 year bowl ban and loss of scholarships would last significantly longer and be more damaging. Penn State could really care less about the loss of 6 or 7 home football games for a year. That's at most $30 million lost(with a payout from the Big Ten for tv coming in at about $22 million). They spend 4 times that on football renovations every decade or so.

That's why long term damage to the football program needs to be taken into consideration more than money. SMU football was damaged because they didn't have a strong position to weather the storm. Penn State does, and it would be business as usual in 2013 if they cancelled the season.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Blago's kids are without a father. Same with all dads and moms in prison.

You can't consider other big ten teams in a dispicable crime like this one. You just can't. It's just football anyway. Everybody will be fine. The BIG TEN should suffer. It was one of their own. Maybe the BIG TEN president needs to learn a lesson. Maybe he needs to be more hands on with his teams instead of staying in his office all day and counting the money.

How about a 5 year death penalty then?

Or a death penalty equal to the amount of years Sandusky spends in prison?

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There is no other course of action that avoids that though.
Why can't you? I'm sure some of the more crazy people would say that the whole Big Ten or the whole NCAA should be shut down for a year because they let this go on. I doubt many people would think that is fair. However, you see no issue telling 12 teams that they have lost a game on the schedule and another 4 that they don't get a home game and lose millions on that.

Now, if there was no other option, then alright. However, a 5 year bowl ban and loss of scholarships is actually more damaging and with less collateral damage. I can't think of one benefit of a one year ban over a 5 year bowl ban with loss of scholarships. Penn State is a billion dollar institution. Losing the revenue from 7 or 8 home games is not the penalty you think it is. Sitting out a year and working out to prepare for 2013 is not the penalty you think it is. Telling every player there now, and the ones coming the next two years that they will never play in a Big Ten championship game, bowl game, or national title game is. Making it so they are playing with 10 less scholarship players during the next 10 years is damaging.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Delany is the BIG Ten President right? Wasn't he the son of a bitch all proud and boastful for stiffing ESPN and forming his own network? Wasn't he looking for compliments all the time when that happened?

Well, Child rape happened on your watch, jack ass. So you and your conference pay the price for it too. Get out of the office and visit these schools to make sure coaches don't have all the power in their towns. Make sure they are not covering up crimes. Make that your next project, bitch.

Delany:

Beardown: That's right. Fuck you!!!!

That seems a little excessive.

It's tough to figure out exactly what is right in this. This is unprecedented. The fact that pretty much everyone who was involved is gone and facing punishment far more than the NCAA means to me that the total destruction of the program isn't required. With the Freeh Report, PSU administrators seem to be taking full responsibility which is a step in the right direction.

I just don't think the true "death penalty" accomplishes what many think it will. By 2013, things wouldn't look that much different. You need a penalty that lasts years.

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Maybe they should just shut the whole university down for five years.

That's a joke, but here's my real thought: it really doesn't matter what they do. Death penalty: people will be upset some will be punished who shouldn't. Heavy sanctions: then the sanctimonious among us will be upset that they got off light. In reality, it is only football. I'm going to be happy when those who were involved in the cover-up will be in jail for a very very long time.

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Curious... I am a staunch republican so I give a shit about auto workers

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Elections have consequences.

Unless there is additional football-related violations the NCAA doesn't have jurisdiction, plain and simple. Even in the Baylor case they nailed Baylor on secondary stuff, not things related to the primary scandal. That's because they couldn't, even if it would make the Nancy Gracesteins of the world feel warm and bubbly.

Penn State is going to pay multiples of their athletic department profits from the past 20 years in settlements, not to mention the damage to their brand going forward. No one involved is getting off easy here. What is the additional "lesson" people are looking to teach here, that isn't taught through hundreds of millions of dollars in damages?

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Fire Phil Emery

Bernstein said Bob Costas called for the death penalty last night.

Like I said, big push from some pretty big media people for it to happen. Like Bernstein said, none bigger than Costas.

If they do play, the backlash is gonna be worse. They have to do it.

Irish Boy, like I said earlier, maybe they don't have juristicion to do it, but do you really think Penn State would fight it? No way. They are in no position to do so.

Penn State football has been so meaningless now in the wake of this ongoing scandal, nobody's going to care about what new head coach Bill O'Brien and the 2012 Nittany Lions are going to do on the gridiron. All you're going to hear will be babbling about Penn State and Joe Paterno regardless of who they're playing. Penn State should suspend their football operation & that statue of JoePa has to be removed.

Who gives a fuck what Bob Costas thinks about anything? Especially a sport he has no involvement in 999 days out of 1000.

If the NCAA doesn't have jurisdiction, the membership won't allow the NCAA to impose the penalty. No one is itching for greater NCAA authority on nebulous morals grounds, except Bob Costas I guess.

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It's Bob Costas, Steve A Smith and me. That should be enough influence to get it done.

I know what you're thinking. Steven A Smith is not in the class of me or Bob Costas. You're right. I just didn't want to be accused of being racist.

Bloodlust, pure & simple. The problem is the quick fix instead of light of day, punishment now instead of true due process. Hang it on a popular villain instead of all who should be held accountable (ask yourself if there could be more rapists-shouldn't we find out?). I don't need instant punishment or a growing global condemnation on one whir others are ignored.

There is more than enough time for sanctions, "death penalties", suspension of games, etc. Right now the outage is sufficient, let's just wait for the process. PSU is paying and will pay, and will pay a lot more.

This is the best argument yet against the death penalty.

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The Bulls haven't done anything wrong, and they're not going to do anything wrong.

Here's the NCAA president speaking about the possibility of giving Penn State the Death Penalty.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTBGHr9a9nc

Me and a lot of other people, im fairly certain.

Bob Costas is a turd.

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Say what you will about Costas. He is the only man, in the history of network TV, to say the following.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-hdocVteic

I meant NON Indianans.


No, I know a lot of people dont like him. I do though.

Damn. The first beardown youtube link I click on in forever and I get this one...

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"He is a loathsome, offensive brute
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I'll go ahead and disagree with this. I'd say the NCAA does have "jurisdiction" though that seems like a strange term to use when it's not a court case (most people don't say Goodell has "jurisdiction" over the NFL but rather "authority", etc. But that's just semantics anyway...).

There is always that good old "lack of institutional control", which is what they nail most teams/programs with anyway. This program clearly lacks control. The NCAA certainly has the authority to hand down a penalty in this instance just like any other.

The football teams are not independent contractors when it comes to the NCAA and their sports - if PSU doesn't "like" the punishment - what are they gonna do? Leave and go form there own league to play against? Good luck finding any other school that will tag along with them, especially given the circumstances. No other school is gonna take the stance of "no - wait - big bad mean bully NCAA - we really, really don't you to punish PSU for committing, allowing, covering up, and fostering child rape for decades". I think they'd sit back and let whatever happens happen.

PSU has no leverage against whatever the NCAA hands down as a result of this. In fact, they'd probably be better off with a "plea bargain" - kill it themselves before the NCAA has to.

Of course, this is unprecedented, so no one knows for sure. But that's what I would guess.

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Exactly, Spanky. Good points. Penn State is in no position to cry or fight about a death penalty. I don't think they would. How horrible would that look?

If you heard the NCAA president, he said past presedent doesn't matter in a case like this. This is so unique and disgusting.

You know what? After hearing the President, like Bernstein said as well, I think he's going to do it. He wants to do the right thing here. This is too big to worry about the money loss. He doesn't care about that. He wants to do the right thing because the right thing is called for. He doesn't want people to say he did nothing cuz of money. Not for something like this. They'll never do it for "Pay for play" again like they did for SMU, but they'll do it for a case like this one.

Like I said, this would be a small hit for the NCAA overall. I know it's Penn State, but the NCAA will still make a shit load of money next year. They have a lot of huge programs. It has to be a 3 year death penalty. It has to be one more year than SMU got. I say five years.

Here is the NCAA president speaking in case you missed this post on page 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTBGHr9a9nc

Penn State would rightfully fight, and win against a 5 year ban, and likely win against a 3 year ban. It will be one year, at most. Even then, I doubt it especially for this year.

Look to the Baylor case for precedent here.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baylor_University_basketball_scandal It's much closer to that then it is to SMU. One of the major reasons why SMU was smacked down as hard as they were was that they were a repeat offender who basically spit in the face of the NCAA and their rules.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Sanctions are being announced in a couple of minutes.

Of course, the NCAA has no jurisdiction in this whole thing, so I fully expect the President of the NCAA to walk up, stand at the podium, and stare at the camera in silence.

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Dr. Ray delivered a giant FUCK YOU to people saying they have no jurisdiction.

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Wow, Spanky throwin his weight around