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PostPosted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 5:38 am 
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I'm not pro PSU or Paterno, and I INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T LISTEN today, but (and as been pointed out by others) there is a lot more to this story than Joe Paterno and the football team. So long as the show continues to narrowly focus on the above and has chosen to abandon the other aspects--i.e., "follow the money" or "criminal conspiracy" or "abandonement of responsibility or accountability" then they are nothing more than another aspect of the fringe lunacy looking for either profit or self-aggrandizement.

One can follow Sara Ganim and get far more depth, insight and balance. One can follow this for purely the criminal aspects (what matters to me), or one can continue the lame ass canard of stomping JoePa or blaming the football team. It seems there is a minority which chooses the former while a more vocal/visible (I'm with DB) group seeking popularity with the latter.


Forgive me for quoting myself, it was my intention to abstain from the board after posting this last Monday. It had been a good week of almost completely not listening.

Late Friday afternoon had me running a quick errand so I heard mention of a postal investigation involving Jerry Sandusky. After one particular caller phoned to explain his understanding of a how a postal investigation is undertaken, DB went on to infer a JoePa connection and TB muttered that "he knew" about events previously undisclosed. Admittedly, I wasn't listening intently at the time and exited my car.

This weekend has provided interesting reading. First, an analysis of the Freeh report that if nothing else forces one to pay closer attention to the timeline of events. http://emf.intherough.net/Critical%20Analysis%20of%20Freeh%20Report.pdf
The analysis had been amended after I first read it, with a summary being made in the first 6 pages. Going back to the Freeh report there seems to be a question of consistency with the exhibits presented.

The second interesting reading came from Sarah Ganim, http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2012/08/second_mile_jerry_sandusky_1.html
who wrote a five part story looking at the relationship between the Second Mile and Jerry Sandusky.

After reading the story it becomes clear that there were cover-ups (plural) taking place at several venues and at several junctures in the past. I hope that the various investigations continue and await the day Tim Curley and Gary Curley are forced to speak in court. I hope that others in positions of responsibility are identified and hopefully questioned about their roles in allowing Sandusky to continue his actions.

I have to admit that I will probably tune in Monday to hear how DB incorporates this information into his running meme. The story has always been bigger than what he has presented and it will get bigger still, but aside from the perpetrator being a football assistant coach it is less and less about football or sports.

And maybe, just maybe, the day will come where TB will tell us something he knows that is either timely or with some specifics.


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And away we go!

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... sky_1.html
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... sky_2.html
http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... sky_3.html

and then 4 and 5 yeah.

So yeah. Wow. The Second Mile, organizationally, was a total joke. How on earth were they allowed to be a functioning 501(c)3 or whatever with this much opacity and general weirdness? Stunning.

Little disappointed and in fact skeptical that Bucceroni "couldn't be reached." The guy is flailing around everywhere. He wants to be reached. There must be a reason why they're reluctant to commit to him. From Part IV:

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Even now, there remains a group of supporters who see the charity as the 11th victim of the Sandusky case.

They blame sensational headlines, such as those that offer no proof but theorize that The Second Mile was a prostitution ring for high-paying pedophiles.

It's something that federal investigators could have in the scope of their probe, although there has been no indication that children at The Second Mile were abused by anyone but Sandusky.

Mostly, it's just become a subject of conjecture on Twitter that started when a New Jersey man, Greg Bucceroni, told a blogger that he was brought to Second Mile fundraisers by a man who he says was sexually abusing him. However, he told the blogger he wasn't a victim of Sandusky. Bucceroni then posted to the comments section of the Penn State student newspaper, The Daily Collegian, that he was a Sandusky victim from the 1970s but was "blackballed" from testifying at the trial.

Hours later, he wrote on Twitter that he and Sandusky talked about exchanging "sex with me for $$$" money. He also tweeted about being interviewed by federal investigators about Philadelphia "mobsters" sharing child pornography.

Bucceroni couldn't be reached for comment for this story. But he did talk to a Philadelphia Inquirer reporter in December -- on the heels of Sandusky's arrest -- about his convicted abuser, and that reporter said he never mentioned Sandusky or The Second Mile.

So there is overreaction on both sides.

He did mention Sandusky and The Second Mile! If not to the Inquirer, then to the Daily News, Twitter, or that crazy antisemitic newsletter. Something's suspicious.

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If all this is true, and there isn't a font large enough for that if, doesn't that nuke the "college football is out of control!" thesis?



Yeah, it would certainly make limiting scholarships and bowl game appearances as punishment for the rape of young boys seem more ridiculous than it already does. li'l danny prefers his own narrative wherein he can beat the shit out of a bunch of 21 and 22 year olds who have dedicated their lives to a football program for four or five years and quite understandably want to take pride in that, despite the actions of some sicko pederast and his friends who covered for him.

And I understand why some people might find making college football such a focal point of one's life to be silly, childish, and trivial. I'm sure there are also those who find a highly intelligent guy with an education from a fine university choosing to be the straight man for T.B. Diddler rather than doing anything to help humankind to be quite trivial and childish as well.

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Wouldn't the mob have killed Bucceroni if any of this were more than wild fantasy and he were about to go public? It seems like he would have been a disposable piece.

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Yeah, I have my doubts as to the involvement of mob ties, but I can definitely see where there were other pedophiles involved with The Second Mile. That part seems quite plausible, and they are, after all, looking into whether Sandusky sent child porn to others. That part jibes. The mob rollcall doesn't; I think he listed Jimmy Burke with the wrong crime family.

In the meantime, let's just laugh at what a shitty not-for-profit The Second Mile was. Hundreds of thousands of children helped...by giving them Joe Paterno trading cards!

And let's also hope that we get some Ed Savitz talk. "Slam his penis in a door" has top-shelf B&B meme potential.

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Though the story is disgusting it's also quite facinating. Just how many levels. Mafia, politicians, police, Penn State.

Sarah Ganim did a fine job of breaking it all down. How is she not at a bigger paper by now? Still at the Patriot News? She's done some freelance work for CNN on this story. She could be a network news reporter as well.


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Though the story is disgusting it's also quite facinating.


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It is. You really can't deny that.

The Godfather was disgusting yet facinating.


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From as far back as 1975, he offered teenage boys money, concert tickets and football tickets for their soiled underwear, and various sexual acts including: oral and anal sex, slamming his penis in a door, penis sword fights, urinating on him, vomiting in his mouth and defecating in his mouth through a potty chair. reportedly kept the feces in pizza boxes in his apartment. He told the boys to eat cheese to make the feces taste better.


Is this guy available for batchelor parties?

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What I don't get is this guy wanting the kids "to make their feces taste better." Like, if you're in the market for shit-eating, you probably want it to taste like shit.
It couldn't hurt.

It's like when I go to Chili's. I know my meal is going to suck but I still put ketchup on the fries.


I have to admit this made me feel a little icky.

I also have to admit that I can't believe I wasn't the one who wrote it. :lol:

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Tomorrow is going to be just brutal radio. 5 hours of this shit. I'm guessing Bernsie will be up all night with excitement for the show.

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If all this is true, and there isn't a font large enough for that if, doesn't that nuke the "college football is out of control!" thesis?

Not really, no. Penn State is still a huge part of this. Penn State money is intertwined with Second Mile money. Penn State legitimized Second Mile. Second Mile raped kids. Penn State kept it quiet.
Penn State is still a huge part of this, but this becomes a statewide thing and regardless of what anyone tells you not a single person at Penn State is more powerful than the Pennsylvania government. This actually does make it less of a college football story and more of a "failure of leadership" in a whole state thing among multiple organizations.

If this gets as big as it seems, then this clearly could have happened anywhere with many different types of organizations. Unless of course you live in Illinois, because corruption among all levels of government would never happen there.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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If all this is true, and there isn't a font large enough for that if, doesn't that nuke the "college football is out of control!" thesis?

Not really, no. Penn State is still a huge part of this. Penn State money is intertwined with Second Mile money. Penn State legitimized Second Mile. Second Mile raped kids. Penn State kept it quiet.
Penn State is still a huge part of this, but this becomes a statewide thing and regardless of what anyone tells you not a single person at Penn State is more powerful than the Pennsylvania government. This actually does make it less of a college football story and more of a "failure of leadership" in a whole state thing among multiple organizations.

If this gets as big as it seems, then this clearly could have happened anywhere with many different types of organizations. Unless of course you live in Illinois, because corruption among all levels of government would never happen there.


Football may just be the sacrificial lamb for this whole thing, it may have been a conduit for a whole pedo-ring that goes up to the highest stations in Pennsylvania govt.

But who cares, I'm glad Joe Pa is dead.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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If all this is true, and there isn't a font large enough for that if, doesn't that nuke the "college football is out of control!" thesis?

Not really, no. Penn State is still a huge part of this. Penn State money is intertwined with Second Mile money. Penn State legitimized Second Mile. Second Mile raped kids. Penn State kept it quiet.
Penn State is still a huge part of this, but this becomes a statewide thing and regardless of what anyone tells you not a single person at Penn State is more powerful than the Pennsylvania government. This actually does make it less of a college football story and more of a "failure of leadership" in a whole state thing among multiple organizations.

I agree with this, and I think we're going to start hearing a lot more about Second Mile and state government's role in this. However, I can't let go of the fact that this whole thing, however big it ends up being, fundamentally required Penn State football's untouchability and infallibility to pull it off.

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I agree with this, and I think we're going to start hearing a lot more about Second Mile and state government's role in this. However, I can't let go of the fact that this whole thing, however big it ends up being, fundamentally required Penn State football's untouchability and infallibility to pull it off.
No doubt. Very similar to the Catholic Church scandals. Local people deserve blame but so do the guys at the very top of the administrative chart.

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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8263048/penn-state-nittany-lions-board-signals-support-president-rodney-erickson

For as much as they've patted themselves on the back for this story there are a ton of things they were WAY WAY off on. Pretty much everything they said about the board of trustees has been false, besides the fact that there are a few crazy deniers.

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The guys are nipped the next 4 afternoons to accommodate Chris Rongey's "Horseshoe Casino/White Sox Radio Network Pregame" @ 5:30P in advance of White Sox/Blue Jays. First pitch tonight through Thursday @ 6:05P from Rogers Centre in Toronto.

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Tice speaketh:
- No carryover from practice. We didn't game plan. Techniques by OL, TE, WR, RB no carryover.
- We got our butts kicked. Lance Louis competed w/ great tenacity, Carimi is getting legs back. Overall physically we were bad.
- Disappointed we didn't run the ball well.
- No message being sent to Webb. He knows the situation because I tell him. Moved Chris, #76, back to left side to see what he could do. Gabe will be in with the 1's whenever we have the 1's in there.
- Please with Jeffries, dominated physically...threw some people around.
- Good physical practices so far this week. Gabe making great strides.

- ZZ: coaches not pleased when referred to by their number. If coach states "the other player" you are in the doghouse. That is referencing Webb I guess.
- ZZ: Spencer didn't have a good game, but this is a LT problem, NOT an Oline problem.
- More Tice: "I have trouble sleeping at night until I know that our QB is protected." Insomnia is your friend Tice. Embrace it.
- Berns asks if it's possible that Webb can get cut. ZZ states unlikely, just maybe won't start. Team feels Webb isn't taking his job seriously. Webb ain't bringing the nasty to the field. Tice not sure how to light a fire under the guy. ZZ: Webb lacks maturity.
- Corey Brandon is catching Tice's eye, forget Brown.
- Berns asks about Dline. Supposedly O-line has been looking good against them. Maybe D-line absolutely sucks. ZZ doesn't address question.

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Half of every scoreboard update consists of Rodewald editorializing on how nobody is going to show up at Wrigley for two bad teams with bad weather but then again they still might anyway.

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Half of every scoreboard update consists of Rodewald editorializing on how nobody is going to show up at Wrigley for two bad teams with bad weather but then again they still might anyway.

Well, CH, whether we like it or not, Wrigley Field is what U.S. Cellular Field isn't...A tourist attraction. Then again, what if they played the game and nobody showed up? Rodie might be saying the same in 2 weeks when the just as bad Rockies visit Wrigley for a weekend series.


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Stand by...Bernsy's got...wait for it...the very latest on creepy Jerry Sandusky that was revealed on RadarOnline.com over the weekend. After these messages.


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Then again, what if they played the game and nobody showed up?

Goin' all tree-falling-in-a-forest on us here.

It's just that Rodewald has a tendency not only to go on weird, meandering flights of fancy during updates, but to repeat said flight of fancy at the top and bottom of every hour. "The Cubs are going to be at Wrigley, but they're really bad, and so are the Astros, and it's cold and rainy out, so there probably won't be a lot of people at Wrigley tonight to see the bad Cubs be bad because they're bad, but then again, there might anyway." x7. Geez dude. Just the facts.

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Lol, what took him so long to get to this? I love how he actually thinks people are waiting to hear the lastest. He needs to realize that Chicago sports fan don't care.

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Lol, what took him so long to get to this? I love how he actually thinks people are waiting to hear the lastest. He needs to realize that Chicago sports fan don't care.


Are you unaware that this is a story that must be told?

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