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My point had less to do with the Bears' prospects this season and more to do with Dan's bizarre epistemology. Lovie's 10-6 is underwhelming because he's a cro-magnon meatball who believes in defense and the power running game. Trestman's 8-8 is a great leap forward because he's a Really Smart Guy who's Doing Things The Right Way. Essentially, his argument is that finishing with the same record as the Jets makes you a Super Bowl contender, as long as you throw it ~600 times.

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They missed the playoffs by about 2:00 last year.


This is very pointedly not a reason for optimism.

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My point had less to do with the Bears' prospects this season and more to do with Dan's bizarre epistemology. Lovie's 10-6 is underwhelming because he's a cro-magnon meatball who believes in defense and the power running game. Trestman's 8-8 is a great leap forward because he's a Really Smart Guy who's Doing Things The Right Way. Essentially, his argument is that finishing with the same record as the Jets makes you a Super Bowl contender, as long as you throw it ~600 times.

I agree with you that Bernstein's logic is flawed (as it is with most things), but Trestman's 8-8 with a brand new offense and without the team leader of the previous decade+ and an underwhelming Peppers is encouraging to many people.
A lot of it has to do with the fact that it resembles a modern NFL offense.
And now they have upgraded the defense.

I get that 10-6 is better than 8-8, but the bottom line is both teams just missed the playoffs in the last week. That has to speak to the strength of the entire conference.

I'm excited.

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They missed the playoffs by about 2:00 last year.


This is very pointedly not a reason for optimism.

The 10-6 team from the year before missed the playoffs too.

Lovie could have stayed around without Urlacher and a crappy Peppers, and they would have struggled to 8-8. And the offense would still be stagnant/dead like it was for years.

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The 10-6 team from the year before missed the playoffs too.


Since divisional realignment in 2002, only five 10-win teams have missed the playoffs. Six 8-8 teams missed the playoffs last season alone. Contending for a playoff spot during a .500 season in which Aaron Rodgers missed 7 games and the Lions regressed so badly they fired their coach isn't exactly blowing my skirt up.

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I don't know why the Bears couldn't have had the best of both worlds by making Trestman their OC but keeping Lovie in charge of the defense and magically getting angry dudes with daddy issues to play hard. Probably could have eked out an extra win somewhere along the line with a semi-competent defense, and who the hell else was forming a line at the door to make Marc Trestman an NFL head coach?

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My point had less to do with the Bears' prospects this season and more to do with Dan's bizarre epistemology. Lovie's 10-6 is underwhelming because he's a cro-magnon meatball who believes in defense and the power running game.

I still remember the days when Lovie was a perfectly acceptable coach and if you had any reservations about his coaching philosophy, then you hated all black people.

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Dave In Champaign wrote:
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The 10-6 team from the year before missed the playoffs too.


Since divisional realignment in 2002, only five 10-win teams have missed the playoffs. Six 8-8 teams missed the playoffs last season alone. Contending for a playoff spot during a .500 season in which Aaron Rodgers missed 7 games and the Lions regressed so badly they fired their coach isn't exactly blowing my skirt up.

What is your prediction? Whether it be record-wise or what their strengths/weaknesses are?
They missed the playoffs by less than a game (essentially) the previous two seasons.

One was following a season with a new coach, new offense, new team leader/captains.
One was following a season where the coaching staff had 9 years to establish their system, with the team leader/captain in place. They finished that season something like 3-5 in the 2nd half.

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I don't know why the Bears couldn't have had the best of both worlds by making Trestman their OC but keeping Lovie in charge of the defense and magically getting angry dudes with daddy issues to play hard. Probably could have eked out an extra win somewhere along the line with a semi-competent defense, and who the hell else was forming a line at the door to make Marc Trestman an NFL head coach?

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My point had less to do with the Bears' prospects this season and more to do with Dan's bizarre epistemology. Lovie's 10-6 is underwhelming because he's a cro-magnon meatball who believes in defense and the power running game.

I still remember the days when Lovie was a perfectly acceptable coach and if you had any reservations about his coaching philosophy, then you hated all black people.

Because Lovie already had the "best of both worlds" with his previous 4 OC's. This team was desperate for a change. It was beyond stale.


edit: the change was so needed that it's no coincidence that Lovie was excused the same year that Urlacher was as well.

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What is your prediction? Whether it be record-wise or what their strengths/weaknesses are?


We all know their strengths and weaknesses. If you want a number, I'll say 9.

spanky wrote:
They missed the playoffs by less than a game (essentially) the previous two seasons.


Again, these two seasons were not created equal.

spanky wrote:
One was following a season with a new coach, new offense, new team leader/captains.
One was following a season where the coaching staff had 9 years to establish their system, with the team leader/captain in place. They finished that season something like 3-5 in the 2nd half.


ok

EDIT: Last year's team closed out the season 4-4, including the loss to the Vikings and the no-show against the Eagles with the division right there for the taking.

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Dave In Champaign wrote:
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What is your prediction? Whether it be record-wise or what their strengths/weaknesses are?


We all know their strengths and weaknesses. If you want a number, I'll say 9.

Good! I look forward to watching this team progress with you! :lol: :wink:

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Emery has done more to address the Bears deficiencies on both offense & defense in just 2 seasons than Angelo did in his 10 years with the Bears.
Bears fans have plenty of reasons to be optimistic about the future. This is going to a fun season for Bears fans.

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If the Bears are Super Bowl contenders then so is about half the league. It may be more than half the league especially when you pretty much have to include a team like the Giants regardless of what they did last year.

Being better than the 49ers, Seahawks, Packers, Saints, and Eagles won't be an easy task.

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Do people trust Andy Dalton to lead the Bengals to the Super Bowl? No? Right, neither does anyone else. Jay Cutler is Andy Dalton with a less talented roster.


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Something along the lines of "It's getting to the point where YOU HAVE TO run your offense through Eddy Curry. He's that good with his back to the basket." Of course once Skiles came aboard and decided Curry sucked, I believe Bernstein turned on him as well.


When did Eddy Curry not suck?

In the first quarter.

He was great

He'd get 12 pts and 2 rebounds in the first and finish with 15 and 1 :shock:


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Emery has done more to address the Bears deficiencies on both offense & defense in just 2 seasons than Angelo did in his 10 years with the Bears.
Bears fans have plenty of reasons to be optimistic about the future. This is going to a fun season for Bears fans.


That is absolutely not a sure thing. Go ahead and keep stating it like a fact, though.

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Emery has done more to address the Bears deficiencies on both offense & defense in just 2 seasons than Angelo did in his 10 years with the Bears.
Bears fans have plenty of reasons to be optimistic about the future. This is going to a fun season for Bears fans.


That is absolutely not a sure thing. Go ahead and keep stating it like a fact, though.

Its for sure false on the defensive end.

As if Angelo's Bears didnt have good defenses?


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Emery has done more to address the Bears deficiencies on both offense & defense in just 2 seasons than Angelo did in his 10 years with the Bears.
Bears fans have plenty of reasons to be optimistic about the future. This is going to a fun season for Bears fans.


That is absolutely not a sure thing. Go ahead and keep stating it like a fact, though.

Its for sure false on the defensive end.

As if Angelo's Bears didnt have good defenses?



Well, Scorehead loves Tremery so everything they do is great. Until the Bears aren't good. Then they will be terrible and never should have been hired.

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The needle on this team was "pointing up" last year, or that was the perception, because the offense looked like a new team. We saw things offensively that we haven't seen since.................
They should continue to get better.
On paper, they upgraded the defense in multiple areas.

They missed the playoffs by about 2:00 last year. They should improve on that, obviously.

Detroit sucks. Minnesota sucks. NFC East sucks. St Louis, Tampa, Arizona - they suck. I just listed more than half the NFC.
Anybody "scared" of Carolina or Atlanta? They can be good, they could completely fall apart too.
My prediction is that GB is good enough to make the playoffs again, but will struggle like they did last year.

There are lots of reasons for optimism.


I'm sold. Wooooo-Bears!!!

... seriously though, there's no reason not to expect a deep playoff run ...

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Don Tiny wrote:
spanky wrote:
The needle on this team was "pointing up" last year, or that was the perception, because the offense looked like a new team. We saw things offensively that we haven't seen since.................
They should continue to get better.
On paper, they upgraded the defense in multiple areas.

They missed the playoffs by about 2:00 last year. They should improve on that, obviously.

Detroit sucks. Minnesota sucks. NFC East sucks. St Louis, Tampa, Arizona - they suck. I just listed more than half the NFC.
Anybody "scared" of Carolina or Atlanta? They can be good, they could completely fall apart too.
My prediction is that GB is good enough to make the playoffs again, but will struggle like they did last year.

There are lots of reasons for optimism.


I'm sold. Wooooo-Bears!!!

... seriously though, there's no reason not to expect a deep playoff run ...


I have plenty of reasons not to expect a deep playoff run. They're stated on the previous page. I hope there is a deep playoff run, but to expect it? Yeah, I'm not sold. I don't really understand why a team is automatically supposed to be way better on defense and consistent on offense. It might happen, but I don't necessarily expect it.

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the biggest positive is that Julius Peppers now plays for the Packers.

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Emery has done more to address the Bears deficiencies on both offense & defense in just 2 seasons than Angelo did in his 10 years with the Bears.
Bears fans have plenty of reasons to be optimistic about the future. This is going to a fun season for Bears fans.


Yeah, see, this is the kind of shit I'm talking about.

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... seriously though, there's no reason not to expect a deep playoff run ...

secondary-> sucks/old
linebackers-> trifecta of sucks/old/inexperienced
linemen-> good!
d-coordinator-> sucks

Other than the line there is no defensive depth

receivers-> great
tight ends-> sucks
offensive line-> solid
running back-> great
quarterback-> oh boy
o-coordinator-> good!

has 9-7 1st round exit written all over


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... seriously though, there's no reason not to expect a deep playoff run ...

secondary-> sucks/old
linebackers-> trifecta of sucks/old/inexperienced
linemen-> good!
d-coordinator-> sucks

Other than the line there is no defensive depth

receivers-> great
tight ends-> sucks
offensive line-> solid
running back-> great
quarterback-> oh boy
o-coordinator-> good!

has 9-7 1st round exit written all over


I can say these things. You can't. Worry about your pseudo-Canadian inbred football team and STAY OUT OF BEARS BUSINESS.

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Nobody is anything for the next ten years


Terry can see it. He couldn't see Abreu's 30 homers though. But he could see Prior winning 28 games in 2004. And now he sees the Bears as "real damn good". I'm concerned about that as a Bear fan.

Also, the McDermott joke is kicking in now that he is scoring in the Summer League like he has at every level in his life and will in real damn NBA games if that's what he's asked to do.

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The needle on this team was "pointing up" last year, or that was the perception, because the offense looked like a new team. We saw things offensively that we haven't seen since.................
They should continue to get better.
On paper, they upgraded the defense in multiple areas.

They missed the playoffs by about 2:00 last year. They should improve on that, obviously.

Detroit sucks. Minnesota sucks. NFC East sucks. St Louis, Tampa, Arizona - they suck. I just listed more than half the NFC.
Anybody "scared" of Carolina or Atlanta? They can be good, they could completely fall apart too.
My prediction is that GB is good enough to make the playoffs again, but will struggle like they did last year.

There are lots of reasons for optimism.

They missed the playoffs by "2:00" because the best QB in the league broke his collarbone on a fluke play at the hands of a fringe nfl player. If that injury doesn't happen, they miss the playoffs by a few games.

The Bears look like they are pretty good and should compete for a playoff spot. If everything falls their way, then sure, they could win the SB. Like Rick said, this applies to over half the league.

And St Louis isn't gonna suck next year.

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The needle on this team was "pointing up" last year, or that was the perception, because the offense looked like a new team. We saw things offensively that we haven't seen since.................
They should continue to get better.
On paper, they upgraded the defense in multiple areas.

They missed the playoffs by about 2:00 last year. They should improve on that, obviously.

Detroit sucks. Minnesota sucks. NFC East sucks. St Louis, Tampa, Arizona - they suck. I just listed more than half the NFC.
Anybody "scared" of Carolina or Atlanta? They can be good, they could completely fall apart too.
My prediction is that GB is good enough to make the playoffs again, but will struggle like they did last year.

There are lots of reasons for optimism.

They missed the playoffs by "2:00" because the best QB in the league broke his collarbone on a fluke play at the hands of a fringe nfl player. If that injury doesn't happen, they miss the playoffs by a few games.

The Bears look like they are pretty good and should compete for a playoff spot. If everything falls their way, then sure, they could win the SB. Like Rick said, this applies to over half the league.

And St Louis isn't gonna suck next year.

If you bring up the Rodgers injury then the Bears can bring up the defense being crippled by them too. If those injuries don't happen...


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You can bring them up, but then you should be laughed at. There's nobody close to as important as Rodgers is on the entire Bears team, let alone the defense. There's a reason the Packers went winless for like 5 or 6 straight games after the injury. Green Bay also had other really important guys like Cobb and Matthews miss significant amount of time.

Hey, if you think the teams were truly as close as the record portrayed, good for you. I think it's pretty clear Green Bay was a better team. Hopefully both teams are relatively healthy this season.

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No, I just think bringing up any injury is an weak excuse. It's football, it's gonna happen.


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