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Author:  City of Fools [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:08 am ]
Post subject:  9/2: Hawk Sez Stupid Stuff

Today's show will be firing on Hawk for his comment on Frazier and Bryant.

Eh, I don't mind make fun of Hawk days...

Author:  Don Tiny [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:10 am ]
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Whatever point he was ultimately trying to make, it was just dumb.

I'm sure representatives of Sox nation will be by at some point to make no sense either in response.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:10 am ]
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What'd he say?

Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:25 am ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
What'd he say?


During Thursday evening’s broadcast, White Sox veteran television play-by-play Hawk Harrelson addressed the little-discussed topic of comparing the two third basemen in Chicago.

Simply put, it was peak Hawk Harrelson as he explained how the White Sox’s Todd Frazier stacks up with the Cubs’ Kris Bryant.

“We talk about batting average being one of the most misleading statistics in baseball,” Harrelson said. “Kris Bryant, in the running for (NL) MVP, will probably get a leg up on most guys over there. He’s got 36 home runs and 91 RBIs. And he’s a good third baseman, but you know, he’s not Todd Frazier defensively.

“I’m talking about these two. (Bryant’s) in the running for that MVP. He’s got two more home runs than Todd. He’s got seven seven more RBIs, but he’s hitting 95 points higher. So, batting averages can really be skewed. As I said, with the way Todd shows his leather at third.”

Author:  City of Fools [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:31 am ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
What'd he say?


During Thursday evening’s broadcast, White Sox veteran television play-by-play Hawk Harrelson addressed the little-discussed topic of comparing the two third basemen in Chicago.

Simply put, it was peak Hawk Harrelson as he explained how the White Sox’s Todd Frazier stacks up with the Cubs’ Kris Bryant.

“We talk about batting average being one of the most misleading statistics in baseball,” Harrelson said. “Kris Bryant, in the running for (NL) MVP, will probably get a leg up on most guys over there. He’s got 36 home runs and 91 RBIs. And he’s a good third baseman, but you know, he’s not Todd Frazier defensively.

“I’m talking about these two. (Bryant’s) in the running for that MVP. He’s got two more home runs than Todd. He’s got seven seven more RBIs, but he’s hitting 95 points higher. So, batting averages can really be skewed. As I said, with the way Todd shows his leather at third.”

ah yes. Because batting average is a sabermetric stat. Or not.

Author:  Hank Scorpio [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:33 am ]
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

He's no Frazier at third... Hawk's right. He's better. Bryant isn't even great at third but he's better than Frazier.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:46 am ]
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:lol:

Thanks, Peeps.

Hank Scorpio wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

He's no Frazier at third... Hawk's right. He's better. Bryant isn't even great at third but he's better than Frazier.


Not to mention the fact that Bryant has played four different positions. Also, how can batting average be skewed? I would agree that it can probably be overvalued, but Bryant's average is nearly higher than Frazier's OBP.

Author:  Hank Scorpio [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:52 am ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
:lol:

Thanks, Peeps.

Hank Scorpio wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

He's no Frazier at third... Hawk's right. He's better. Bryant isn't even great at third but he's better than Frazier.


Not to mention the fact that Bryant has played four different positions. Also, how can batting average be skewed? I would agree that it can probably be overvalued, but Bryant's average is nearly higher than Frazier's OBP.


I think he's done everything but pitch this season. :lol:

Author:  denisdman [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:55 am ]
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Yas' best year:

1967:

112 Runs
44 HR's
121 RBI
.326 BA
.421 OBP
.622 Slg


Bryant 2016

In 500 at bats, so he has maybe 100 left.

112 Runs
36 HR's
91 RBI
.307 BA
.403 OBP
.590 Slg

Author:  denisdman [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 10:56 am ]
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Hank Scorpio wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
:lol:

Thanks, Peeps.

Hank Scorpio wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol:

He's no Frazier at third... Hawk's right. He's better. Bryant isn't even great at third but he's better than Frazier.


Not to mention the fact that Bryant has played four different positions. Also, how can batting average be skewed? I would agree that it can probably be overvalued, but Bryant's average is nearly higher than Frazier's OBP.


I think he's done everything but pitch this season. :lol:


No, he leads the league in pitching tents. Look at those beautiful eyes.

Author:  Bagels [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:01 am ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
So? Of course the educated man is going to face disagreement from the ignorant masses.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:02 am ]
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National Treasure

#FireBenetti

Author:  Jbi11s [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:03 am ]
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Skip Bayless level hot take from Hawk.

Author:  Don Tiny [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:04 am ]
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OBP (yeah you know me)
TF: .296
KB: .403

OPS
TF: .752
KB: .993*

OPS+
TF: 102
KB: 163*

PA (AB) {Hits}
TF: 544 (480) {103}
KB: 588* (502) {154}

Total Bases
TF: 219
KB: 296*

Runs Scored
TF: 70
KB: 112*


* - current league leader

Author:  Don Tiny [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:05 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
National Treasure


Hopefully he's a buried treasure soon.

Author:  Brick [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:06 am ]
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This is bad. This may be worse than the people that thought that Arrieta was better than Sale.

Author:  Jbi11s [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:07 am ]
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Stone pony just let that slide last night?

Author:  conns7901 [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:11 am ]
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Can someone post defensive metrics?

Author:  City of Fools [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:11 am ]
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Jbi11s wrote:
Stone pony just let that slide last night?

pretty much. He (if you listen to the clip and read between the lines) saw it coming and tried to sidetrack it, but to no avail. He offered a weak "well, the cubs are x amount games over .500" but didn't contradict him directly.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:12 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
This is bad. This may be worse than the people that thought that Arrieta was better than Sale.


Sale is obviously a better career pitcher, but Arrieta was better last year.

Author:  Brick [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:17 am ]
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leashyourkids wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
This is bad. This may be worse than the people that thought that Arrieta was better than Sale.


Sale is obviously a better career pitcher, but Arrieta was better last year.
Just as my fellow Sox fans tried to tell you all back in my Sox fan days.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:27 am ]
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Don Tiny wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
National Treasure


Hopefully he's a buried treasure soon.

Its either Hawk types or Chip Caray types


I'm comfortable on the Hawk side

Author:  Bagels [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:39 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
National Treasure


Hopefully he's a buried treasure soon.

Its either Hawk types or Chip Caray types


I'm comfortable on the Hawk side


yea you all root for Hawk to go.....so you can listen to Benetti and Stone play grab ass the whole game and spend 3 innings talking about Sox math and the prize shelf...

Author:  IMU [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:45 am ]
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Jake Arrieta has been on par with, or possibly better than, Chris Sale this year.

Jake Arrieta has a better ERA+, and for the traditionalists, a better W-L.

He is also the MLB leader in BA against and OPS against (by a wide margin. Hendricks is second)

edit: So...off-topic...but Jake Arrieta has only been subpar this year when compared to his historic 2015. He is still great.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:47 am ]
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I don't usually mind Hawk. I like that he's not vanilla and kind of whacked out. That was an embarrassing statement, though. You kinda just have to enjoy his nuttiness and take everything he says with a grain of salt.

Not everyone can be Lenny.

Author:  Don Tiny [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:55 am ]
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conns7901 wrote:
Can someone post defensive metrics?


http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/frazito01-field.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bryankr01-field.shtml

Author:  TurdFerguson [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 11:57 am ]
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Hawk wrote:
All this jibber jabber from Cub nation that they are all upset with me for speaking the truth. Kris Bryant isn't even the full time starting third baseman on the Cubs. They routinely ship him off to the outfield. I'll tell you what, if Todd Fraizer got to take nights off in the outfield, He'd probably be hitting around .330 right now with more home runs and more runs batted in. I've played, I've GM'ed, i'm not some kid behind a computer. I know the wear and tear of playing everyday basebasll. Sure, Kris may have a few more hits, but lets see him man the hot corner for a full year before we have this discussion. Thank you and good night.

Author:  Brick [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:18 pm ]
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IMU wrote:
Jake Arrieta has been on par with, or possibly better than, Chris Sale this year.

Jake Arrieta has a better ERA+, and for the traditionalists, a better W-L.

He is also the MLB leader in BA against and OPS against (by a wide margin. Hendricks is second)

edit: So...off-topic...but Jake Arrieta has only been subpar this year when compared to his historic 2015. He is still great.

Exhibit A.

Author:  IMU [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:19 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
IMU wrote:
Jake Arrieta has been on par with, or possibly better than, Chris Sale this year.

Jake Arrieta has a better ERA+, and for the traditionalists, a better W-L.

He is also the MLB leader in BA against and OPS against (by a wide margin. Hendricks is second)

edit: So...off-topic...but Jake Arrieta has only been subpar this year when compared to his historic 2015. He is still great.

Exhibit A.

You're not a baseball guy...but if you were I'd ask you to provide a counter argument since you seem to disagree.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:21 pm ]
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IMU wrote:
edit: So...off-topic...but Jake Arrieta has only been subpar this year when compared to his historic 2015. He is still great.


You're factoring in his first month or two where he was still great. Since then, he hasn't been "great."

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