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12/12 Dan And Fat Man argue about Ted
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Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:12 pm ]
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I don't believe Dan or Spiegs have any idea what's going on.
Author:  redskingreg [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:15 pm ]
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Dan is yelling. About what, I do not know.
Author:  Beardown [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:16 pm ]
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Do you notice how Bernstein works.

Somebody breaks a story. Then he claims to make a call and he claims to confirm the story. Why doesn't he ever break the story? I don't think calls are being made. It's just him jumping on with the guy that broke the story. Very sneaky of the little bitch.

That's what he just did with this "Bears are looking for a President" thing.
Author:  Terry's Peeps [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:16 pm ]
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Are they arguing about the movie Ted?
Author:  FavreFan [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:17 pm ]
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I've noticed Spiegs is very liberal with his use of the word intellectually.
Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:17 pm ]
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redskingreg wrote:
Dan is yelling. About what, I do not know.


Because his "Ted Phillips isn't making football decisions" mantra that he beat people over the head with for about a year has been absolutely torched by every other team insider willing to speak publicly on the subject.
Author:  Beardown [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:21 pm ]
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Greg Gabrial, the Score expert, said on the air that every decision had to be run by Ted.

Somebody let Bernstein know that.
Author:  redskingreg [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:22 pm ]
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ZZ called out Bernstein about some Bears story last week. Mully was discussing it, but Dan had to go talk to his own people. ZZ said something like "So you don't trust Mully's word?" Dan claimed he was just curious.
Author:  City of Fools [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:25 pm ]
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I think fundamentally they're not really arguing.

Matt keeps saying that Ted is involved. When he is specific, he points to Ted holding the purse strings and not signing guys.

When Dan gets pinned down to what Ted does, he talks about Ted holding the purse strings. So they're not that different.
Author:  Beardown [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:28 pm ]
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The thing about the budget is bullshit. They have a salary cap. Every NFL team pretty much spends the same amount of money. There is a floor. But I saw a chart. Bears spend as much as everybody else.

Unless he means the budget for assistant coaches, scouts and other personal. Cuz that's not a cap.
Author:  Tad Queasy [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:52 pm ]
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Wasn't Boers' last day supposed to be 12/5?

When is he gone for good?
Author:  Beardown [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:58 pm ]
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Tad Queasy wrote:
Wasn't Boers' last day supposed to be 12/5?

When is he gone for good?


1/5
Author:  redskingreg [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:08 pm ]
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Tad Queasy wrote:
Wasn't Boers' last day supposed to be 12/5?

When is he gone for good?


You didn't read the sixteen threads?
Author:  Tad Queasy [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:10 pm ]
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redskingreg wrote:
Tad Queasy wrote:
Wasn't Boers' last day supposed to be 12/5?

When is he gone for good?


You didn't read the sixteen threads?


I thought they were all fake news.
Author:  Gloopan Kuratz [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:11 pm ]
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In the old days, 15 of those would have been pruned.
Tad Queasy wrote:
redskingreg wrote:
Tad Queasy wrote:
Wasn't Boers' last day supposed to be 12/5?

When is he gone for good?


You didn't read the sixteen threads?


I thought they were all fake news.
Author:  Hatchetman [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:17 pm ]
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Boers is in? I may listen. Show is decent with him. still funny guy.
Author:  Juice's Lecture Notes [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:38 pm ]
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Went back and listened to tranny (after the 2.5 minutes of native ads on the podcast), and the disagreement between Spiegs and Dan was the same: "Phillips is involved in football operations"; "No, he isn't"; "But Pace has to go to Phillips for every signing"; "But Ted doesn't even know who the players are".

Bernstein's position on this has gotten weaker and weaker the more and more people like Hub and Rozner talk to their sources that aren't Ted Phillips. His position now has become "Ted Phillips isn't involved in football operations because Pace only has to go to him for approval if he wants to exceed the budgeted amount Ted sets for football personnel."

That this power construction gives Ted Phillips a de facto say in football operations is delightfully lost on Dan.
Author:  good dolphin [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:54 pm ]
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The keys to the treasury are the keys to the kingdom
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:08 pm ]
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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Are they arguing about the movie Ted?

Image
Author:  sinicalypse [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:22 pm ]
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oh god, i turn on this show for the first time here @4pm and first thing i hear on the update is that the bears wanna get ANOTHER "consultant" (this time bill polian as opposed to ernie accorsi, you know, a guy who used to be a good GM circa 95-05 but is now out of football) to come in and "possibly shake up bears management"

soooo you wanna bring in a football guy like bill polian to not be your football president, but ostensibly to FIND one?!?! and you have 0 faith in pace to pick a coach, so now you're gonna bring in another football dinosaur to go YOU NEED TO GET JOHN FOX ASAP tor the extent that when john fox got fired in denver and took his plane out of town you were there when he landed wherever he went. IIRC you had him hired within 2-3 days of getting fired, right? *smh*

this begs the obvious question "why did you bring in pace?" if you're going to cut his nads off 1-2+ times when it comes times to maybe pick a coach? sure the cover will be hiring a new ted phillips (which is a nice convenient fall guy here, even tho i'd tender a guess that ted was a good soldier doing ginny/mccaskeys' bidding until it was his turn to formally take the blame) ---- but man, all of this shit goes back to trestman.... who they ultimately blamed on emery, but remember that trestman was some kind of a super football autist that nobody liked.... BEFORE HIS 5+ YEAR CANADIAN ODYSSEY THAT GOT HIM OVER 9000%r OUT OF ALL NFL CIRCLES.... ergo you end up with "coordinators" like mel tucker, who even official bears radio broadcasts eventually said "you bring in mel tucker if you want to be bad at defense" LATER IN THE 2014 SEASON! BEFORE HE WAS FIRED! ---- so bringing in fox "who people want to coach under/for/with" was supposed to give us a chance at getting quality coordinators (which, honestly, i think he did.... short of getting a worthy ST coordinator cuz i still fucking miss dave taub to this day. ask tyreke hill about that)

AHEM. yeah man sorry i'm me and i get all faclempt and go TLDR.... but man oh man, hearing that ANOTHER consultant is coming in = holy shit we're all fucked.... and this is even +1'd by dan's mccaskey source who you figure has to have the last name "mccaskey" or work directly for/with one of them cuz when dan gets his marching orders to grease the skids to dump off a productive player (i.e. shit-talk brandon marshall or martellus bennett all season long to illustrate what a horrible cancer they are before, example, you dump off one of the top 2-3 productive TEs in the NFL for a 4th round pick or whatever.... TO THE BEST TEAM IN FOOTBALL NO LESS!) ---- yeah dude. hearing dan all "my source is saying the same thing" = *gulp* -- bigtime *gulp* --- and dont forget that dan and rozner were all going on about how "you're never the same after a labrum surgery" so even a 12.5mil jay cutler who could prevent you from being god-awful at QB for 1 more year (yeah, i'll concede that he isnt the answer in any sort of longterm as we HAVE seen this movie b4, but you can still do much much much worse than jay cutler) --- yeap, i bet the mccaskeys told dan that he's gone so "do your thing dan" and now let's focus on how you're never the same after a labrum surgery so c'est la fucking vie!!!!

TLDR = fucking hell they're bringing in another consultant, eh? why the fuck did they hire pace to be their GM if they just wanted a eunuch. they're prolly using the "37 years old" thing against him as their excuse to meddle and be able to do whatever they want, then when it goes tits up they fire pace cuz he didnt know what he's doing. DUH. IT'S EVERYBODY'S FAULT BUT GINNY + THE MCCASKEYS!!!!!!

aka "where's mark cuban when you REALLY need him, eh? =D
Author:  Beardown [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:04 pm ]
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Bernstein on reporters: REPORTERS DON"T MAKE STUFF UP.

Beardown on Bernstein: You said Bryant was a drunk and it turns out he never had a drink in his life.
Author:  sinicalypse [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:26 pm ]
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Beardown wrote:
Bernstein on reporters: REPORTERS DON"T MAKE STUFF UP.


recently i saw this very thing come to pass and it amused the hell out of me. basically, right when the packers cut sitton and the bears signed him i saw someone make a post on 4chan's /sp/ board (sports board) saying that they had some access to the packers/lockeroom' through make-a-wish (to "inb4" the expected claims of LARPing) and that sitton had gotten cut after the topic of karpernick's protests / BLM came up and sitton was a wrongthinker; moreover he got into it with ha ha clinton dix, and basically THAT (outside of $$$/football-reasons) was why he was shitcanned when he was... i dutifully "reported" that here in the proper sitton/bears thread at the time...

...so imagine my guffaw when days to a week later i have b&b on and dan talks about a report from [SOME LEGIT REPORTER WITH A VERY "GOOD" SOUNDING NAME] about how there's likely a "racial" element to the sitton thing, and he went on to reiterate that [REPORTER] said [basically everything i said here, which is what i read on /sp/] and then after saying it he backed it up like AND THIS ISN'T JUST 100% CONJECTURE, THIS IS [REPORTER NAME] REPORTING THIS SO YOU KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING TO IT!"

i was downright flabbergasted to see that if some [good upstanding formal reporter] reads and repeats THE SAME EXACT SHIT I READ, you gotta go and take it to the bank cuz he's [REPORTER] and therefore "YOU KNOW THERE'S SOMETHING TO IT!" ---- but if i say it, well, i'm me and i'm a piece of shit and where did i coach my football and etc?

if anything, i think this is more of a "state of modern reporting in the social media age" thing than a "bernstein" thing, but it goes to make my point and thensome that dan will literally champion the same exact fucking bullshit i, or anyone for that matter, read on /sp/ just as long as some formal "reporter" who's employed by a formal "media company" will essentially gatekeeper the information. c'est la fucking vie, no?
Author:  sinicalypse [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:41 pm ]
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btw, i wanna point out there's a chance that the guy who made the original post on /sp/ might have heard some packers beat reporter guy (the one bernstein championed) report that there was a racial element to the sitton thing with kaepernick protests and ha ha clinton dix, and that gave him the werewithol to go LARPing (live action role-playing) on /sp/ ---- but given that it took bernstein something like 3-4 days or a whole week after i read/repeated the "story" to come out with [reporter]'s story, odds are that the reporter ended up coming across the same information i did (either via the same source or an echo chamber) and took it to e-/press, and that's where bernstein picked it up and ran with it because 1) it fit "the narrative" / "right side of history" and 2) it was "vouched for" because it came from a proper old/er-media gatekeeper [reporter]

either way, it just goes to show the power of someone taking to a messageboard [not this one tho =] and saying something.... all you have to do is potentially tickle the fancy of someone who has some "value" to their name/brand and you can end up getting your dis/info out there via a 50kw [big ben gordon with a...] TORCH! of righteousness
Author:  sinicalypse [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:43 pm ]
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oh yeah and i'd be remiss if i didn't point out that when dan reads an e-mail from someone saying "listening to either you guys or music helps me achieve a level of zen [whatever]" ---- man, where has this doofus been? i've already had that realization/moment, but then i took it one step forward by trying to combine the music i was already listening to with b&b and the result was said to "probably [sound] like one of tannehill's nightmares" by the board's very own Curious Hair =]
Author:  billypootons [ Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:58 pm ]
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So who is Dan's bears guy? Could it be Ted? It has to be a friend he made while being a beat guy. Scott Hagel was a guess last time this came up. I do think he has a guy
Author:  Gloopan Kuratz [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 8:18 am ]
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billypootons wrote:
So who is Dan's bears guy? Could it be Ted? It has to be a friend he made while being a beat guy. Scott Hagel was a guess last time this came up. I do think he has a guy

Gotta be a fellow tribesman in accounting or something.
Author:  Caller Bob [ Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:00 pm ]
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Ted either hires the likes of Phil Emery, or hires the consultant that decides who to hire, see Ryan Pace. To say he isn't involved in football operations is being blatantly obtuse.
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