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| Author: | Ron Wolfley [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
No sitting or lying down. Always standing while watching television. |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
No. Not possible. |
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| Author: | Furious Styles [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
And pees sitting down. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
I watch sports standing up but scripted shows sitting down. I bet he paces too. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
He made a terrible argument during transition. Said neither the Cubs nor the Sox have any risk from the trade. Surprisingly, Spiegel and Rozner put him in his place handily and quickly. He pretty much just changed the subject when they told him how dumb he was. |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
Ron Wolfley wrote: No sitting or lying down. Always standing while watching television. Just wait until the entropy hits him. |
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| Author: | Tad Queasy [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
Tuned in at 3:47 and they were talking about LeBron James and how much he has meant to Cleveland's economy. It's almost like the show has become a parody of how it's described on the board. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
I watch sports games standing up a good percentage of the time. Especially Bears games. So I don't think it's that weird. I can't be still during some sports games. I gotta move around. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
Tad Queasy wrote: Tuned in at 3:47 and they were talking about LeBron James and how much he has meant to Cleveland's economy. It's almost like the show has become a parody of how it's described on the board. Jim Gray wrote: Experts call it "the LeBron-omy," a commodities exJames.
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| Author: | Ron Wolfley [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
Jason and Dan aren't Barstool fans. |
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| Author: | DAC [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
leashyourkids wrote: He made a terrible argument during transition. Said neither the Cubs nor the Sox have any risk from the trade. Surprisingly, Spiegel and Rozner put him in his place handily and quickly. He pretty much just changed the subject when they told him how dumb he was. I agree with Bernstein. Who has risk in this trade and how much? A trade can turn out to be awful and one-sided but that doesn't mean it was a mistake at the time. |
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| Author: | McDude [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
Not good. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
DAC wrote: leashyourkids wrote: He made a terrible argument during transition. Said neither the Cubs nor the Sox have any risk from the trade. Surprisingly, Spiegel and Rozner put him in his place handily and quickly. He pretty much just changed the subject when they told him how dumb he was. I agree with Bernstein. Who has risk in this trade and how much? A trade can turn out to be awful and one-sided but that doesn't mean it was a mistake at the time. So you think all trades carry no risk, correct? |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
I don't think it's too risky for the Cubs. It's insane to say there's no risk on the Sox end. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
Isn't there way more risk on the Cubs? They gave up a lot for an okay pitcher. If the prospects pan out, the Sox get a lot, if they don't, well, they weren't winning anything with Quintana anyway. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
Bernstein is an idiot. There is a risk for both teams. If the Sox could have gotten a better players from the Brewers or Astros then they fucked up. We'll see how it turns out. And if Quintana sucks for the Cubs over the next few years then they could have spent their assets better. It was the decision they both made and there might have been better options. We'll see how it turns out. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
Even though both teams have risk, the Cubs have more. The Sox gave up a known guy. The Cubs gave up guys who could potentially be great. |
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| Author: | DAC [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
leashyourkids wrote: DAC wrote: leashyourkids wrote: He made a terrible argument during transition. Said neither the Cubs nor the Sox have any risk from the trade. Surprisingly, Spiegel and Rozner put him in his place handily and quickly. He pretty much just changed the subject when they told him how dumb he was. I agree with Bernstein. Who has risk in this trade and how much? A trade can turn out to be awful and one-sided but that doesn't mean it was a mistake at the time. So you think all trades carry no risk, correct? I didn't say that. Some trades are risky but in this case you have a proven #2 starter on a great contract for 3.5 more seasons. They gave up a top 10 prospect another 75ish prospect and a couple throw-in guys. It is an extremely logical and defensible deal for both teams. The Cubs or Sox can lose the trade but that doesn't change the fact that it was a solid trade at the time. I think the Hawks trade of Hammer for Murphy is a lot more risky. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
DAC wrote: leashyourkids wrote: DAC wrote: leashyourkids wrote: He made a terrible argument during transition. Said neither the Cubs nor the Sox have any risk from the trade. Surprisingly, Spiegel and Rozner put him in his place handily and quickly. He pretty much just changed the subject when they told him how dumb he was. I agree with Bernstein. Who has risk in this trade and how much? A trade can turn out to be awful and one-sided but that doesn't mean it was a mistake at the time. So you think all trades carry no risk, correct? I didn't say that. Some trades are risky but in this case you have a proven #2 starter on a great contract for 3.5 more seasons. They gave up a top 10 prospect another 75ish prospect and a couple throw-in guys. It is an extremely logical and defensible deal for both teams. The Cubs or Sox can lose the trade but that doesn't change the fact that it was a solid trade at the time. I think the Hawks trade of Hammer for Murphy is a lot more risky. Nothing you said means there is no risk for either team. If Quintana underperformed and Jimenez is the next Nick Swisher, the Cubs look bad. If none of those prospects pan out, Hahn should have gotten more from someone else. |
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
Curious Hair wrote: Isn't there way more risk on the Cubs? They gave up a lot for an okay pitcher. If the prospects pan out, the Sox get a lot, if they don't, well, they weren't winning anything with Quintana anyway. I look at it as the Cubs know what they got. Jimenez might be great but he might suck too. |
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| Author: | DAC [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
leashyourkids wrote: Even though both teams have risk, the Cubs have more. The Sox gave up a known guy. The Cubs gave up guys who could potentially be great. But the fact that they are so far away removes a lot of the risk for the Cubs. We all know they could turn into all-star, HOF players but they are still prospects at this point and that is unlikely. The Cubs got the known commodity while the Sox received much more uncertainty. You tell me what's more likely- that Quintana will be a #2-#3 pitcher for the next 3.5 seasons or that Jimenez will develop into a multi-year allstar and Cease will be a starting pitcher in 4-5 seasons? |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
FavreFan wrote: Curious Hair wrote: Isn't there way more risk on the Cubs? They gave up a lot for an okay pitcher. If the prospects pan out, the Sox get a lot, if they don't, well, they weren't winning anything with Quintana anyway. I look at it as the Cubs know what they got. Jimenez might be great but he might suck too. They weren't winning anything with Quintana. But it was about the choice to go with the Cubs top 2 prospects over what anybody else offered. If the others offers turn out that they would have been better, they fucked up. That's the risk, like I said. The choice is the risk. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
FavreFan wrote: Curious Hair wrote: Isn't there way more risk on the Cubs? They gave up a lot for an okay pitcher. If the prospects pan out, the Sox get a lot, if they don't, well, they weren't winning anything with Quintana anyway. I look at it as the Cubs know what they got. Jimenez might be great but he might suck too. Even if Jimenez busts, all they Sox gave up was a career ( at best) .500 pitcher. Not exactly Brock for Broglio. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:02 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
Ron Wolfley wrote: Jason and Dan aren't Barstool fans. Shocking. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
Curious Hair wrote: Tad Queasy wrote: Tuned in at 3:47 and they were talking about LeBron James and how much he has meant to Cleveland's economy. It's almost like the show has become a parody of how it's described on the board. Jim Gray wrote: Experts call it "the LeBron-omy," a commodities exJames.  . Lebron is basically their Brett Favre to John Madden.
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| Author: | FavreFan [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:05 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
badrogue17 wrote: FavreFan wrote: Curious Hair wrote: Isn't there way more risk on the Cubs? They gave up a lot for an okay pitcher. If the prospects pan out, the Sox get a lot, if they don't, well, they weren't winning anything with Quintana anyway. I look at it as the Cubs know what they got. Jimenez might be great but he might suck too. Even if Jimenez busts, all they Sox gave up was a career ( at best) .500 pitcher. Not exactly Brock for Broglio. Yeah but everyone else thinks he's good. And giving him up in his prime on that contract for a return that ends up being all busts would really suck. He does have value. |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
FavreFan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: FavreFan wrote: Curious Hair wrote: Isn't there way more risk on the Cubs? They gave up a lot for an okay pitcher. If the prospects pan out, the Sox get a lot, if they don't, well, they weren't winning anything with Quintana anyway. I look at it as the Cubs know what they got. Jimenez might be great but he might suck too. Even if Jimenez busts, all they Sox gave up was a career ( at best) .500 pitcher. Not exactly Brock for Broglio. Yeah but everyone else thinks he's good. And giving him up in his prime on that contract for a return that ends up being all busts would really suck. He does have value. I think I'm going to have to rewatch Better Call Saul because you know what you are talking about here. Bird in the hand. 28-year-old lefty with a proven track record of success and inning-eating with 3+ years of control. If that doesn't work out, it's just bad luck. |
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| Author: | DAC [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
leashyourkids wrote: Nothing you said means there is no risk for either team. If Quintana underperformed and Jimenez is the next Nick Swisher, the Cubs look bad. If none of those prospects pan out, Hahn should have gotten more from someone else. I guess the more I think about it, a better way I could phrase it is that this is a safe trade for both teams. Yes, there is risk that either team can win or lose the trade but even if the return for the Cubs or Sox doesn't pan out, it was still a logical, even trade at the time it was made. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
FavreFan wrote: badrogue17 wrote: FavreFan wrote: Curious Hair wrote: Isn't there way more risk on the Cubs? They gave up a lot for an okay pitcher. If the prospects pan out, the Sox get a lot, if they don't, well, they weren't winning anything with Quintana anyway. I look at it as the Cubs know what they got. Jimenez might be great but he might suck too. Even if Jimenez busts, all they Sox gave up was a career ( at best) .500 pitcher. Not exactly Brock for Broglio. Yeah but everyone else thinks he's good. And giving him up in his prime on that contract for a return that ends up being all busts would really suck. He does have value. Well yeah. I guess at least the teams can say we weren't paying him a bunch of money not to win games for us.
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| Author: | 312player [ Fri Jul 14, 2017 5:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/14: Bernstein watches television standing up |
Alright rogue, I know you are in the camp with jorr, FF and one or two other guys on Q, Lackey was a pretty valuable pitcher last year for us, he was 11-8 with 3.35 era.... You don't think Q can outdo that next year for half the salary? |
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