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I think a high percentage of players from 50 years ago could play today if they had access to the food, training and PEDS players now have.

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Yeah a lot of people miss that point.

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and maybe stopped smoking

and didn't have to work real jobs in the off-season

Of course they could. Typical Bernstein idiocy.

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JORR often makes this point, and it is correct... it is ridiculous to think that athletes have “evolved” in a matter of decades. The talent pool is larger now, though.

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Butkus could play simply as he was. His size definitely plays today. I remember when Dan made the argument a few years ago and I looked up Butkus 40 time. There was no combine back then but I seem to remember his reported time was within the top end of LB drafted that year.

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True, but there are more teams now too. Also, there are more options. Today's Babe Ruth might be riding a snowboard in the X-Games. One hundred years ago all he had was baseball or boxing.

Anyway, it's funny that Bernstein called Butkus "slow, tiny, and white." He was bigger and faster than Ray Lewis. I guess one out of three ain't bad though.

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Your overall points are all fine other than how do you objectively know Butkus was faster than Ray Lewis?

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Their 40 times. Also, there are guys that scouted them both. In any case, the point isn't that Butkus could or couldn't beat Lewis (or any top linebacker of today) in a race, but rather that it's obvious he wouldn't be in any way overmatched in today's game and would clearly still be a star.

The problem when guys like Steve Kerr say they couldn't play today is that that clearly calls into question how good guys like Hakeem, Jordan, and Barkley were. So the person that believes the game is so much superior today has to then twist himself in knots to support his belief that Jordan is the greatest of all time.

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This type of shit used to be Kung Fu master trolling but time.has aged it horribly. Take some Spartan hoplite from 2500 years ago ,feed him a bunch of steroids, put him in pads, explain his basic job and people will literally be dying on the field.

To be fair though Butkus never had the killer instinct Ray Lewis does

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

Forget that many athletes of today are broken-on-arrival and it's considered remarkable if a player doesn't miss entire seasons to injury at some point in their career.

Is that the new safety the Bears drafted?

The problem with this point is that you’re unlikely to find someone who says Kerr couldn’t play today AND Jordan is the best ever. If you don’t think Kerr could play today you likely believe LeBron is the GOAT

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Basketball is a tough one for me. I don’t think the athletes are better today... one of the league’s best players is James Harden, for example. But the style is so different that it’s really hard to tell if talent would transfer well to other eras. I don’t know if true big men would completely dominate or be a complete hindrance. I also don’t know why Kerr would say that... he would be great for this era.

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I agree with that. The style of the game matters. For football as well. There are guys today that wouldn't thrive in the 50s and guys in the 50s that wouldn't thrive today. I suppose it's fair for Kerr to say his game wouldn't work today, but Jordan and Barkley could play in any era. I don't really think that's the case, but it's not illogical.

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he's just blowing smoke up his players behinds like he always does.

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There is no record of any Butkus 40 time.

The only thing close is an espn article where one of Dick's teammates said it would take Butkus 3 days to run a 100 yard dash. Same article said he was really quick inside 20 yards tho.

He'd be ok. Nothing great.

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Kerr would be pretty damn good on the team he coaches

If he wasn't fast enough, he may have moved to another sport or perhaps gone straight into acting.

(That post had a DannyB vibe to it.)

The Bulls all-time team consists mostly of guys from 30/40 years ago.

PG Sloan
SG Jordan
SF Pippen
PF Love
C Gilmore

bench: DRose,Chet Walker,Toni Kukoc & Tom Boerwinkle

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Everyone is throwing bouquets right now. I have my concerns about his size

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It is typical Bernstein nonsense.

Butkus is one of the few that could have played in any era.

FTFY.

He had abandoned this more subtle form of trolling in favor of "I mean, let's be honest, there's a reason so many in this town love Dick Butkus but hate Lance Briggs, who is manifestly the superior talent in every empirical category."

The re-emergence of this kind of trolling from Dan is a more subtle tell that he's walking back his "evolved" persona on-air after the utter failure of Bernstein & Goff.

Who hates Lance Briggs anyway?

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The Jews.

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His Lamborghini.

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