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B&B either stated it or implied that Dwight Howard is a lock to deliver a NBA title. They were citing how trading for the best center in the game has always worked out and resulted in titles.

Bump this in 5 years if any of us are still alive.

Well they're at least half right. Bill Simmons broke this down recently and showed that in the last 40 years you always win a title if you trade for the best C in the league.

FavreFan wrote:

Well they're at least half right. Bill Simmons broke this down recently and showed that in the last 40 years you always win a title if you trade for the best C in the league.

That's why I mentioned they were saying that.

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Well they're at least half right. Bill Simmons broke this down recently and showed that in the last 40 years you always win a title if you trade for the best C in the league.

I guess it's a little pretentious to imply a title is a lock but it's not really an out on the limb prediction. I'm not sure what your point with this thread is.

FavreFan wrote:

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

Well they're at least half right. Bill Simmons broke this down recently and showed that in the last 40 years you always win a title if you trade for the best C in the league.

This didn't work out too well when the Knicks traded for Eddy Curry.

yeah because curry is nowhere near the player as shaq or gasol

FavreFan wrote:

I guess it's a little pretentious to imply a title is a lock but it's not really an out on the limb prediction. I'm not sure what your point with this thread is.

That they think getting Dwight Howard is a guarantee that you win an NBA title regardless of the team. I don't think that is true.

I don't think the Nets win the title with Deron and Howard. Even the Bulls may not.

I'm just not sold that Howard equals Shaq in terms of winning titles.

Does Derrick + Dwight = win 4 games out of 7 versus the Heat? I think yes

So does this make Luc Longley the best center in the NBA during the Jordan run?

Howard & Rose is a guaranteed NBA Title.

Given 2 full year shots at it.

Oden vs. Durant -- who do you pick #1? Obvious now, but back then, I think it was a valid question. I don't think centers are as important as they used to be; it is a bonus to get a center that can play any form of offense and it is certainly doable to win championships with an adequate defensive center.

newper wrote:

Cant really compare. WHo knows what POrtland does if Oden stays healthy? It isnt like Durant has 2 rings already.

WhiteAndProud wrote:

Does Derrick + Dwight = win 4 games out of 7 versus the Heat? I think yes

You have to think of who else would be on the roster. If you trade your whole team to get Howard you may not have much left on the roster.

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Missed the show, butdid Jason chime in by declaring once again that Howard isn't even a top 5 player? :lol:

Missed the show, butdid Jason chime in by declaring once again that Howard isn't even a top 5 player? :lol:

Author:	Brick [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 5:57 pm ]
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B&B either stated it or implied that Dwight Howard is a lock to deliver a NBA title. They were citing how trading for the best center in the game has always worked out and resulted in titles. Bump this in 5 years if any of us are still alive.

Author:	FavreFan [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:12 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: B&B either stated it or implied that Dwight Howard is a lock to deliver a NBA title. They were citing how trading for the best center in the game has always worked out and resulted in titles. Bump this in 5 years if any of us are still alive. Well they're at least half right. Bill Simmons broke this down recently and showed that in the last 40 years you always win a title if you trade for the best C in the league.

Author:	312player [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:12 pm ]
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howard plus rose = title

Author:	Brick [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:15 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: Well they're at least half right. Bill Simmons broke this down recently and showed that in the last 40 years you always win a title if you trade for the best C in the league. That's why I mentioned they were saying that.

Author:	FavreFan [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:28 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: Well they're at least half right. Bill Simmons broke this down recently and showed that in the last 40 years you always win a title if you trade for the best C in the league. That's why I mentioned they were saying that. I guess it's a little pretentious to imply a title is a lock but it's not really an out on the limb prediction. I'm not sure what your point with this thread is.

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Author:	Douchebag [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:29 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: B&B either stated it or implied that Dwight Howard is a lock to deliver a NBA title. They were citing how trading for the best center in the game has always worked out and resulted in titles. Bump this in 5 years if any of us are still alive. Well they're at least half right. Bill Simmons broke this down recently and showed that in the last 40 years you always win a title if you trade for the best C in the league. This didn't work out too well when the Knicks traded for Eddy Curry.

Author:	Brick [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:30 pm ]
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FavreFan wrote: I guess it's a little pretentious to imply a title is a lock but it's not really an out on the limb prediction. I'm not sure what your point with this thread is. That they think getting Dwight Howard is a guarantee that you win an NBA title regardless of the team. I don't think that is true. I don't think the Nets win the title with Deron and Howard. Even the Bulls may not. I'm just not sold that Howard equals Shaq in terms of winning titles.

Author:	312player [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:31 pm ]
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yeah because curry is nowhere near the player as shaq or gasol

Author:	FavreFan [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:31 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote: FavreFan wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: B&B either stated it or implied that Dwight Howard is a lock to deliver a NBA title. They were citing how trading for the best center in the game has always worked out and resulted in titles. Bump this in 5 years if any of us are still alive. Well they're at least half right. Bill Simmons broke this down recently and showed that in the last 40 years you always win a title if you trade for the best C in the league. This didn't work out too well when the Knicks traded for Eddy Curry. Cuz he had no heart, amirite!

Author:	FavreFan [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:32 pm ]
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312player wrote: yeah because curry is nowhere near the player as shaq or gasol I disagree.

Author:	FavreFan [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:38 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: FavreFan wrote: I guess it's a little pretentious to imply a title is a lock but it's not really an out on the limb prediction. I'm not sure what your point with this thread is. That they think getting Dwight Howard is a guarantee that you win an NBA title regardless of the team. I don't think that is true. I don't think the Nets win the title with Deron and Howard. Even the Bulls may not. I'm just not sold that Howard equals Shaq in terms of winning titles. Well I'm not sure he is getting paired with a young Kobe and Phil Jackson either. I agree it's definitely not a lock and shouldn't have been expressed that way.

Author:	Douchebag [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:40 pm ]
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I'm shocked the hornets didn't make a run when they traded for White Panther a couple years back.

Author:	WhiteAndProud [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:15 pm ]
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Does Derrick + Dwight = win 4 games out of 7 versus the Heat? I think yes

Author:	Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 7:20 pm ]
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Howard & Rose is a guaranteed NBA Title. Given 2 full year shots at it.

Author:	IkeSouth [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 9:34 pm ]
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i hate dwight howard. i think if he came to chicago he would be somewhere between a carlos boozer and a ben wallace. fuck him. a giant walking dildo.

Author:	redskingreg [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 8:08 am ]
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Listening to the podcast now. For the record, Terry said that it's a good thing, and that team wins championships. Dan's exact quote is "Generally when the best center in the game is available, the team that gets him is in contention. Right away. Like the Heat for example." Made up radio, BRick. One said it. Not the other. Just stating facts. Who can't envision the Nets becoming a contender by trading for Howard? A majority of the East is turrible this year. Of course they would become a contender. Lopez will be back next month.

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Author:	Mini Ditka [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:05 pm ]
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WhiteAndProud wrote: Does Derrick + Dwight = win 4 games out of 7 versus the Heat? I think yes You have to think of who else would be on the roster. If you trade your whole team to get Howard you may not have much left on the roster.

Author:	jimmypasta [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:05 pm ]
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So does this make Luc Longley the best center in the NBA during the Jordan run?

Author:	Mini Ditka [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:11 pm ]
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jimmypasta wrote: So does this make Luc Longley the best center in the NBA during the Jordan run? Remember the three-headed monster with Longley, Perdue and Wennington?

Author:	good dolphin [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:58 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: Howard & Rose is a guaranteed NBA Title. Given 2 full year shots at it. Agreed. I think you need a full year with each other in order to be great. This is a critical year for the Heat

Author:	newper [ Fri Feb 03, 2012 10:02 pm ]
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Oden vs. Durant -- who do you pick #1? Obvious now, but back then, I think it was a valid question. I don't think centers are as important as they used to be; it is a bonus to get a center that can play any form of offense and it is certainly doable to win championships with an adequate defensive center.

Author:	Hank Scorpio [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:23 am ]
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newper wrote: Oden vs. Durant -- who do you pick #1? Obvious now, but back then, I think it was a valid question. I don't think centers are as important as they used to be; it is a bonus to get a center that can play any form of offense and it is certainly doable to win championships with an adequate defensive center. Cant really compare. WHo knows what POrtland does if Oden stays healthy? It isnt like Durant has 2 rings already.

Author:	ZephMarshack [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 3:26 am ]
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Missed the show, butdid Jason chime in by declaring once again that Howard isn't even a top 5 player?

Author:	Quadrophenia [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 5:50 am ]
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Hank Scorpio wrote: newper wrote: Oden vs. Durant -- who do you pick #1? Obvious now, but back then, I think it was a valid question. I don't think centers are as important as they used to be; it is a bonus to get a center that can play any form of offense and it is certainly doable to win championships with an adequate defensive center. Cant really compare. WHo knows what POrtland does if Oden stays healthy? It isnt like Durant has 2 rings already. I was never full impressed with a healthy Oden at OSU. I thought he played good defense and would have been a force on that end. His lack of basic footwork (trust me, i watched about 75% of his college games) troubled me. He scored a lot of his points by just being tall.

Author:	HOVA [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 10:50 am ]
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Mini Ditka wrote: WhiteAndProud wrote: Does Derrick + Dwight = win 4 games out of 7 versus the Heat? I think yes You have to think of who else would be on the roster. If you trade your whole team to get Howard you may not have much left on the roster. Everyone knows I'm against the trade but the Bulls have enough depth that it really wouldn't hurt them.

Author:	HOVA [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:03 am ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: iKeSouTh iS oUt of his WoRlD b. FreE MinD MetTa wORlD PeaCe oF ShIIte MuSLiM WoRlD nOt FreE bY dEcRee. Zealot

Author:	HOVA [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:06 am ]
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ZephMarshack wrote: Missed the show, butdid Jason chime in by declaring once again that Howard isn't even a top 5 player? That's true. A top 5 player should require a double team and he should make those around him better. At the end of games Howard is a liability on offense.

Author:	Ugueth Will Shiv You [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:08 pm ]
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I agree that bringing Howard to the Bulls would equate a title. I still contend that Orlando isn't stupid enough to make that happen.

Author:	Terry's Peeps [ Sat Feb 04, 2012 12:10 pm ]
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ZephMarshack wrote: Missed the show, butdid Jason chime in by declaring once again that Howard isn't even a top 5 player? Lebron Kobe Rose Durant Wade Paul That's 6 off the top of my head.