Mr. Belvidere wrote:
They will get slammed in the ass (sorry) with penalties.
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| Author: | Beardown [ Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | I think the NCAA will give Penn State the "Death Penalty" |
(Yes, the B&B section is officially the "Penn State Scandal Section" now. I don't think anybody will disagree with this.) I didn't think they would initially. But there has been a huge push from national media for it to happen. I think, while they don't want to, they are gonna be shamed into doing it. They'll give them 3 years. One more than SMU got in 1988. |
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| Author: | Mr. Reason [ Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:07 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think the NCAA will give Penn State the "Death Penalty |
What happened at Penn State? Did someone buy a recruit a pizza? |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think the NCAA will give Penn State the "Death Penalty |
Even Steven Fuckin A. Smith is calling for the death penalty!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9fzv2gTa58&feature=related |
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| Author: | Urlacher's missing neck [ Sat Jul 14, 2012 11:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think the NCAA will give Penn State the "Death Penalty |
I have no problem with it. You give all athletes either an immediate transfer or full tuition for a degree and you change the culture....the awful awful paterno knob slobbering culture. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think the NCAA will give Penn State the "Death Penalty |
Many people have said it. You either do nothing or you give them the death penalty. Because if you do as little as take away scholarships and ban them from a bowl games, you make it seem like "Paying players" is worse than "child rape". But now I think doing nothing is something the NCAA will feel guilty about. So they have to kill the program for at least 3 years. It has to be at least one more year than SMU. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think the NCAA will give Penn State the "Death Penalty |
Too much money involved now. Will never happen. They let Baylor keep playing Basketball after a player on the team murdered someone and the coach conspired to cover it up. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:16 am ] |
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conns7901 wrote: Too much money involved now. Will never happen. They let Baylor keep playing Basketball after a player on the team murdered someone and the coach conspired to cover it up. I know about the money. But it's more of a loss to Penn State than the NCAA. I mean college football will still have enough big games with interest for their TV contracts. They'll still have the same amount of bowl teams to get their money. Like I said, they don't want to do it, but they will out of guilt and shame. Then they can grandstand and say they care. When they really don't, but they can say it. Nobody put pressure on them for Baylor. I think public pressure will make them do it. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think the NCAA will give Penn State the "Death Penalty |
Beardown wrote: conns7901 wrote: Too much money involved now. Will never happen. They let Baylor keep playing Basketball after a player on the team murdered someone and the coach conspired to cover it up. I know about the money. But it's more of a loss to Penn State than the NCAA. I mean college football will still have enough big games with interest for their TV contracts. They'll still have the same amount of bowl teams to get their money. Like I said, they don't want to do it, but they will out of guilt and shame. Then they can grandstand and say they care. When they really don't, but they can say it. Nobody put pressure on them for Baylor. I think public pressure will make them do it. It would screw up Big Ten schedules. Not going to happen |
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| Author: | Mr. Belvidere [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think the NCAA will give Penn State the "Death Penalty |
Wont happen. School seems very sincere in their actions with the investigation and with the changes they are making for the future. They will get slammed in the ass (sorry) with penalties. Probably more than any school ever but there will be no death penalty. |
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| Author: | Phil McCracken [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think the NCAA will give Penn State the "Death Penalty |
Mr. Belvidere wrote: They will get slammed in the ass (sorry) with penalties.
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think the NCAA will give Penn State the "Death Penalty |
Beardown wrote: Even Steven Fuckin A. Smith is calling for the death penalty!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9fzv2gTa58&feature=related That was great. Stephen A. is still my guy. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 7:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think the NCAA will give Penn State the "Death Penalty |
Some ESPN guy (Joe Schad I think) said in talking to experts that there isn't anything that the NCAA can use to impose sanctions, much less the "death penalty". |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think the NCAA will give Penn State the "Death Penalty |
Terry's Peeps wrote: Some ESPN guy (Joe Schad I think) said in talking to experts that there isn't anything that the NCAA can use to impose sanctions, much less the "death penalty". Here's the thing. Jurisdiction or not, if the NCAA were to give them the death penalty, would Penn State fight it? Would they take the NCAA to court? I highly doubt it. That would just make them look worse. So just do it. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:14 pm ] |
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Beardown wrote: Terry's Peeps wrote: Some ESPN guy (Joe Schad I think) said in talking to experts that there isn't anything that the NCAA can use to impose sanctions, much less the "death penalty". Here's the thing. Jurisdiction or not, if the NCAA were to give them the death penalty, would Penn State fight it? Would they take the NCAA to court? I highly doubt it. That would just make them look worse. So just do it. I agree. Just reporting the facts maam. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:56 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think the NCAA will give Penn State the "Death Penalty |
They need to fuckin do it. I'm just thinking of the terror going through those kids minds when they are being raped by Sandusky. It's astonishing that the NCAA won't act. Just amazing and disgusting. 1. You do it with no grounds to do it. 2. Penn State either accepts it or they don't. 3. Either way you have done the right thing and the NCAA looks good. 4. Let's just say Penn State wins a court injuction to play and the Death Penalty is overturned in court. You've still done the right thing and the money-hungry bastards that run the NCAA are happy with the court decision since they want the Penn State revenue and never really wanted to kill the football program. They can say "We tried to do the right thing." 5. So just do it. I know they'll do it for the wrong reasons, but I want Penn State to suffer even if nobody really cares. 6. If they do play, at the very least, Penn State, on their own, should declare that all net profits from the football team will be donated to abused children charities. 7. This is a no brainer. If nothing is done it's disgusting. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:07 pm ] |
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I'm all for punishing to the highest possible levels those involved... So besides making the bleeding hearts feel good the death penalty punishing current athletes is good why? Unless I am mistaken the AD and President are out and likely going to jail. JoePa is dead and Sandusky is gonna get murdered in prison. How much more punishment is necessary to make YOU feel better? |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:12 pm ] |
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Because it was dispicable and Penn State should suffer. It's not about satisfying bleeding hearts. It's about making sure a program is punished so a message is sent. Christ, some people at SMU did nothing wrong and they paid the price in 1988 for much lessor crime. At least half of those kids on the team weren't being paid. Some assistant coaches were clean I'm sure. Like I said, if they do play, all net profits should be given to child abuse victims, centers or charities. At the very least that should happen. I'm talking TV, stadium gate and sponsor profits. It won't. But it should if there is one person in power that cares. Nobody in power cares. I'm sure they will all prove that. |
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| Author: | RFDC [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:18 pm ] |
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pittmike wrote: the death penalty punishing current athletes is good why? It sucks that it affects them as they had no part in any of it. However, that is not a good enough reason to not give out the death penalty. They should do everything they can to help these athletes. They should be allowed to transfer immediately, and helped in any other way. I think it was Stephen A Smith that suggested even giving them an extra year of eligibility. And I would venture to say that a good number of them would welcome all of that. I doubt they want to be a part of a program that has been tainted so much by all of this. Kill the program for a few years and then let someone start the thing over with no attachment to Paterno/Sandusky. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think the NCAA will give Penn State the "Death Penalty |
The bottom line is there is no down side for the NCAA if they give them the death penalty. 1. If Penn State accepts it, the NCAA looks good in doing the right thing. 2. If Penn State gets it overturned in court, the NCAA is happy cuz they never wanted to do it and they can claim that they tried to do the right thing. They would be privately celebrating the court decision while saying they had morals publicly. So they should do it. Put the pressure on Penn State. Is the Penn State President willing to fight it? I doubt it. If he does, he ruins his reputation and career. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:29 pm ] |
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Im really not against punishing PSU at all. Just seems to me all this death penalty talk is more about people wanting to feel good about punishing them. Seems to me PSU will pay ultimate millions of dollars over time, people are going to be jailed etc. Between students, faculty and staff I would guess you are going to punish 50,000 people. They have done nothing. |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 6:44 pm ] |
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Well either way it will play out. Innocent people will be affected (not the least of which are the poor victims). I give a fuck less about PSU or JoPa's legacy. I would feel really bad however for all the crap current good PSU people / athletes are gonna get jobbed. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:08 pm ] |
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If your attitude is "innocent people will be hurt" than the NCAA should announce that they don't have a "death penalty" as a punishment. Because, of course, innocent people will be hurt. Innocent people at SMU were penalized in 1988. They do have it. So if you don't use it here, it will should never be used. So just announce that. They need to do it right now. Give the hot shot kids of Penn State a chance to go to other programs. The backups? Hey, tough luck. Allow them to keep their scholorships at PSU until they graduate. They weren't gonna be pros anyway. Life is unfair. Better they learn this early. Anybody on Penn State that has a chance to be a pro, will be a pro despite the death penalty. NFL scouts aren't gonna miss talent. How many players make the pros from an elite program in a given draft? Maybe 5 or 6 tops. That's tops. This isn't gonna ruin the other 90 or so guys that wouldn't have made it anyway. |
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| Author: | Psycory [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:40 pm ] |
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I expect heavy sanctions, but no death penalty. Just going through this scandal is likely to make/keep Penn State irrelevant and one secret they don't want to mention is that because HV is in the middle of fucking nowhere, no one goes to the early season games against Coastal Carolina (huge chunks of the upper deck are empty at these games). If the team is not good, no one is going drive the four hours from Philly or 3 hours from Pittsburgh to go watch a sub .500 team get their ass handed to them by Michigan State. That will hurt the program and the economy of the area (those Saturdays are pretty lucrative for the local businesses) Us innocents are already getting jobbed. No raise this year (even though record donations, etc...but hey, we have to pay the 3 million to the enabler), which pisses me off because my annual review was the best I ever had (in the past, I had received a 6% merit raise on a less stellar year). Hell, I'm nervous because I go up for tenure and promotion this year...which includes a nice raise...I'm nervous I'll be denied because they don't want to give the raise. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:01 pm ] |
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Too bad psycory. That's what you get for having the temerity to work in a haven for predators. not serious. |
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| Author: | Psycory [ Sun Jul 15, 2012 9:14 pm ] |
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I know, if only that time I talked to Spannier for five minutes, he would have told me what was going down here...then I would have taken the job at Ohio State (not). |
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| Author: | Brick [ Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: I think the NCAA will give Penn State the "Death Penalty |
The reason the "death penalty" if off the table, at least for this next season, is that it punishes 12 other schools too and 4 of them even more by not having a home game when Penn State should have been there to play. Even if they did it today, the season is only 7 weeks away. Also, one would have to assume that an appeal of a penalty like that would happen, and we could literally have a situation where Penn State gets a ruling in October that shuts down the season. Also, while it sounds like a tough penalty, it really isn't. They'd just sit there for a year and then come out of saying "we did our punishment, let's move on". It would be like USC this year, who basically has already moved on from the penalties they have. The true punishment would be a 5 year bowl ban, dock them 10 scholarships a year for the next 5-10 years, and force them to donate all Big Ten television revenues to charity. I don't know if the money thing is even possible, but the other things clearly are. Punishment is coming for Penn State though. They know it. This will be incredibly expensive and those involved are on the way to jail. The program is forever tarnished. Joe Paterno's legacy is destroyed no matter if he has a statue or not. It's not like we need to send a message to the rest of college football saying "Don't let children get raped". I think they got the memo on that one. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:20 am ] |
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Fine, then do it for 2013, because "but WE were supposed to have a home game!" is one of the shittiest reasons I can think of not to want their filthy football program wiped off the earth. Also, I wish pittmike had been the CEO of General Motors, because then Michigan and Ohio might not have fallen on such hard times. Look at all those innocent people the plant closings affected! |
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| Author: | Brick [ Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:32 am ] |
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Curious Hair wrote: Fine, then do it for 2013, because "but WE were supposed to have a home game!" is one of the shittiest reasons I can think of not to want their filthy football program wiped off the earth. Why should Illinois be forced to lose a home football game because of what happened at Penn State? What good does that accomplish?Oh, and save me the whole "it sends a message that this can't ever happen again". I'm pretty sure that the University of Illinois is well aware of this, and given how often they fire coaches I don't think we really have a "hero worship" problem there. As I said, a 5 year bowl ban and a loss of scholarships would be much more damaging to Penn State than the loss of one season and then moving on like nothing happened in 2013. Oh, but once again, you decide to cherry pick one specific thing I said to fit your narrative. |
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| Author: | Curious Hair [ Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:13 am ] |
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The logical conclusion, then, is that everyone should know better than to do anything wrong and as such no one should be made to be collateral damage for someone who still did wrong. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:20 am ] |
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It's not just about sending a message that "We don't accept child rape". That's missing the forrest for the trees. We all know this is such an extreme case that will never happen again. How many other crimes are covered up at these huge programs. How many rapes are covered up? How many roberies? How many shootings? Probably more than you think. The message needs to be sent to these coaches. And I don't care that Illinois misses a game that might put their Alomo Bowl in jeopordy. Who cares? |
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