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| Author: | Woodridge Ryan [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:42 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
As most of you know, I don't post nearly as much as i used to so I apologize if this in not the right forum for this. I sent this email to Dan today and thinking about entering it into the editorial of the local newspaper. Probably needs to be polished a bit. I don't expect anyone to agree with me. Just my thoughts. Dan, Over the last few months I’ve appreciated you taking on the cause to be a voice for the victims of the terrible, disgusting crimes between the walls of Penn State’s athletic facilities. While I’ve agreed with many of the points you’ve made along the way, I was always on the fence with the argument of the Penn State football program receiving the death penalty. This morning however, that all changed for me. A group of Penn State football players held their own press conference on the grounds of State College, just outside the Penn State Football facility. And what came out of their mouths spoke to me as the exact reason why this needs to be shut down immediately. If you haven’t listened to its entirety, listen here (note that the official website for PSU athletics actually posted this): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKNhjTrU ... r_embedded Nothing has changed at Penn State. It’s STILL all about the football team - All about THEM being the victims. When I hear things from players like "this is the greatest opportunity a Penn-Stater could ask for" in regards to playing for the Nittany Lions after these sanctions were brought down against the university makes me cringe. The greatest opportunity?! Could that be anymore insensitive to the victims? “Hey victims, we just want to say thanks for giving us current crop of ‘Penn Stater footballers’ the opportunity of a lifetime to represent the school on the football field.” It makes me sick. There’s more though. They go on to mention every group of people they will play for this year. The past players and coaches before them, the alumni, the fans, people that built the school, people that don’t think politicians and NCAA administrators should be deciding the fate of a football program. They’re playing for all of them. Never once did they mention if they were playing for the victims. Never once did we hear from this group of kids that their hearts go out to the victims of the child rapist. No, this is still about football. It’s almost as if nothing has been learned and we are all right back to making this all about the football team. It’s almost as if they’re out to make the real victims the current group of football players. Collateral damage? Sure. But they’ve also been granted the opportunity to keep their scholarship or play anywhere else in the nation for this season. And with all that, I don’t even blame these naïve kids who happen to suit up as superheroes on Saturdays for setting up their own press conference today. I’m disappointed – again, and already – with the failure of university leadership for allowing this to happen. Someone with at least half a brain at that university should have stopped that statement from taking place this morning. There should have already been strict rules in place for the players in regards to how to conduct themselves when approached on this topic. I believe simply stating “no comment” every time a player is dealt with a scandal-type question is fine. Easy for the players to use. Keeps them from saying too much and no one should call them out on not speaking about it. I certainly would have made sure to let them all know no one will be holding their own press conferences on university grounds and furthermore would discourage them from speaking about the topic at all with people, interviews or social media. Instead this current athletic administration gives them a big megaphone by putting the press conference front and center on their official Penn State Athletics webpage. I'm already becoming leery of this new coaching staff as its already starting to develop an "us against the world" mentality. The fact these players came out in unity today and were allowed to hold this press conference shows me that they are encouraging this type of behavior. Its gross. Fall will be here soon. Over one hundred thousand people will be tailgating and cheering on their football team. Who knows what kind of propaganda, slogans and silly t-shirts the home crowd will conjure up to make their football team look like the victims. These fans will be doing more to make sure the rest of the nation views the Penn State football team as victims. In Happy Valley, the true victims will be forgotten. I know there are good people at Penn State. I know there must be embarrassed members and alumni of Penn State. Some of these good people are scared to stand up and say what needs to be said. Unfortunately that was a big part of the problem that got the university where they are today. Penn State needs courageous, loud leaders at this defining moment. Leading purely by example is not enough in this case. Because they are up against many loud die-hard football loving worshippers that see or hear no evil – and those fans are the ones representing Happy Valley to the world. To allow that group to be the loudest voice may be allowing the university to never truly change. That is the problem, and to me this is EXACTLY why they shouldn't be playing football this year. Nothing has been learned, nor will anything be learned anytime soon. There seems to be no course of true change from the athletic heads of Penn State. It’s evident in today’s players press conference. Still, it was the words of the current Penn State football players that really said it all today. “We need you as much as you need us.” |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
That was my one big stink when NCAA President Mark Emmert made those unprecedented sanctions against Penn State. I thought they should've been forced to sit out for at least 1, maybe 2 years in the wake of this disgusting scandal in (Un)Happy Valley, PA. No one is going to care about new head coach Bill O'Brien and the Nittany Lions this season. No one. All you'll hear about is this scandal and whether guys like ESPN/ABC's Matt Millen and other Penn State alumni will continue to show their support for guys who treated this sex abuse scandal as if NOTHING HAPPENED. |
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| Author: | Hawg Ass [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
Great another thread on this. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
I don't really see what the big deal is about the players saying this. Of course they are going to go out and try the best they can and they'll stick together. What do you expect them to do? I didn't see it as them calling themselves victims but as them saying that they are going to do everything they can to help Penn State move on and start a new era of Penn State football. |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
I am with BR here. The people who work at a company that commits fraud have to get rid of the rot and move on for the sake of the organization. The folks that work at a school where a teacher sleeps with a student need to move on with teaching and sports and other school related activities. The folks that work for the state of IL after Blaggo was robbing the place for his own benefit need to get back to the business of state. My point- This happens everywhere in life. The old regime commits crimes of varying severity. The new regime needs to get on with whatever business they are in. For a university that means research, teaching, and yes sports. College football and basketball provide the primary funding for every other sport at the school and they provide money for the rest of the university's activities. This includes endowments that provide scholarships for students to attend the school and new facilities for learning. I get that everyone wants the culture of universities to change overnight, but it isn't going to happen that quickly. If you want to end Penn State football, then you probably need to be in favor of ending all college sports. To think otherwise is to pretend that this problem is just Penn State. Thank you. |
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| Author: | Irish Boy [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
Omg the players don't want to forfeit, what insensitive assholes. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
I agree with Rick, denisdman, and IB. Fuck. |
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| Author: | Woodridge Ryan [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
Irish Boy wrote: Omg the players don't want to forfeit, what insensitive assholes. I think you missed the point. I wasn't looking for them to say not to play. Its clear though that football remains king and will rule happy vally still. But I appreciate you taking the time to be a sarcastic asshole. |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
Woodridge Ryan wrote: Irish Boy wrote: Omg the players don't want to forfeit, what insensitive assholes. I think you missed the point. I wasn't looking for them to say not to play. Its clear though that football remains king and will rule happy vally still. But I appreciate you taking the time to be a sarcastic asshole. There's no change in culture, guys. New head coach Bill O'Brien knew what he was getting himself into when he took the job, but his task is a lot more difficult now. |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
SHARK wrote: Woodridge Ryan wrote: Irish Boy wrote: Omg the players don't want to forfeit, what insensitive assholes. I think you missed the point. I wasn't looking for them to say not to play. Its clear though that football remains king and will rule happy vally still. But I appreciate you taking the time to be a sarcastic asshole. There's no change in culture, guys. New head coach Bill O'Brien knew what he was getting himself into when he took the job, but his task is a lot more difficult now. And if football was banished for the year...it would eventually come back, right? Football is gigantic in that college and that state as a whole. |
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| Author: | Dave In Champaign [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
So...Woodridge Ryan is a TFM mult? |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
Well, it came back at SMU, despite the NCAA "Death Penalty" back in 1987. SMU hasn't been relevant ever since. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
SHARK wrote: There's no change in culture, guys. Well I personally would wager a large sum of money if someone else got raped in the showers they would be turned in now. |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
SHARK wrote: Well, it came back at SMU, despite the NCAA "Death Penalty" back in 1987. SMU hasn't been relevant ever since. SMU wasn't good until they started cheating. Plus their conference went away. |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
SHARK wrote: Well, it came back at SMU, despite the NCAA "Death Penalty" back in 1987. SMU hasn't been relevant ever since. Penn St Football vs SMU football is really no contest. How long was SMU HUGE for in the state of Texas and compare that to Happy Valley. |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
conns7901 wrote: SHARK wrote: Well, it came back at SMU, despite the NCAA "Death Penalty" back in 1987. SMU hasn't been relevant ever since. SMU wasn't good until they started cheating. Plus their conference went away. Yeah, the old Southwest Conference...And all the cheating got them the "Death Penalty". |
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| Author: | conns7901 [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
SHARK wrote: conns7901 wrote: SHARK wrote: Well, it came back at SMU, despite the NCAA "Death Penalty" back in 1987. SMU hasn't been relevant ever since. SMU wasn't good until they started cheating. Plus their conference went away. Yeah, the old Southwest Conference...And all the cheating got them the "Death Penalty". So how does Child Rape compare to buying players? |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
Woodridge Ryan wrote: Irish Boy wrote: Omg the players don't want to forfeit, what insensitive assholes. I think you missed the point. I wasn't looking for them to say not to play. Its clear though that football remains king and will rule happy vally still. But I appreciate you taking the time to be a sarcastic asshole. |
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| Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
Dave In Champaign wrote: So...Woodridge Ryan is a TFM mult? Why you gotta insult Ryan like that? |
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| Author: | Irish Boy [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:41 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
"Meh, you know, it's just a game out there. We're going to hope we and our opponents have fun, nobody gets hurt, and just run down the clock on our careers. Frankly, I'd feel bad about winning too many games." - what Penn State players are supposed to say, I guess. |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:44 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
I don't think anybody really knows what culture change is supposed to mean anyway. The mere fact that they will play football and fans will be at the game doesn't mean that the "culture" is the same. I assume people want PSU to avoid raising the head coach to God-like status and omnipotence. I don't think O'Brien will be instantly revered like Paterno, particularly if they are getting their asses handed to them each week. So, that would be a culture change in my book. I doubt O'Brien is going to be ruling the campus as a mini-King. Seems like more culture change. The fans will still be fans. They are going to show up and cheer. The same would have been true next year if they got a 1-year death penalty. PSU fans would still come back with a vengeance and cheer on the team as an Us vs. The World rallying cry. No sanctions would result in fans no longer caring about the football team. Or players not interested in doing whatever it took to motivate themselves to victory. About the only thing you could do to instill the type of culture change that some people will be satisfied with, that you can "see", would be to just shut the program down completely..for years. And, ultimately, who does that serve? The victims vengeance is best sated in the courts against the men that hurt them and violated their trust. Those men have prison time ahead for them. Shutting the program down for many years, at that point, is just blaming the fans for the actions of Sandusky and crew. What is the point of that? |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
Irish Boy wrote: "Meh, you know, it's just a game out there. We're going to hope we and our opponents have fun, nobody gets hurt, and just run down the clock on our careers. Frankly, I'd feel bad about winning too many games." - what Penn State players are supposed to say, I guess. Yep. If they try hard, practice, say they want to win and attempt to overcome these hurdles that just means they are carrying the flag of Child Rape. How dare they! |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: I don't think anybody really knows what culture change is supposed to mean anyway. The mere fact that they will play football and fans will be at the game doesn't mean that the "culture" is the same. I assume people want PSU to avoid raising the head coach to God-like status and omnipotence. I don't think O'Brien will be instantly revered like Paterno, particularly if they are getting their asses handed to them each week. So, that would be a culture change in my book. I doubt O'Brien is going to be ruling the campus as a mini-King. Seems like more culture change. The fans will still be fans. They are going to show up and cheer. The same would have been true next year if they got a 1-year death penalty. PSU fans would still come back with a vengeance and cheer on the team as an Us vs. The World rallying cry. No sanctions would result in fans no longer caring about the football team. Or players not interested in doing whatever it took to motivate themselves to victory. About the only thing you could do to instill the type of culture change that some people will be satisfied with, that you can "see", would be to just shut the program down completely..for years. And, ultimately, who does that serve? The victims vengeance is best sated in the courts against the men that hurt them and violated their trust. Those men have prison time ahead for them. Shutting the program down for many years, at that point, is just blaming the fans for the actions of Sandusky and crew. What is the point of that? There really is no point. Whether the program is killed for a few years or the current punishment, football will always be huge at this college and in the state of Pennsylvania. But, in the end, it does allow for plenty of radio hosts and such to get up on their soapboxes, pound their chests and lecture us. Those that raped those kids, covered up the rapes and such could get the death penalty but that wouldn't be near good enough. THE FOOTBALL MUST DIE. |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:50 pm ] |
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The culture changed when Paterno got canned. The removal of the statue completes Act I, II, and III of the Culture Change play. Now, PSU is just like any other big-time jackass fan base, the LSUs, Auburns, Ohio States, and Alabamas, of the world. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:54 pm ] |
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: The culture changed when Paterno got canned. The removal of the statue completes Act I, II, and III of the Culture Change play. Exactly.Now, PSU is just like any other big-time jackass fan base, the LSUs, Auburns, Ohio States, and Alabamas, of the world. The thing about Penn State is that academically they'd be equal to Missouri State if not for Joe Paterno. Paterno had a bigger impact on the academic side of the university than anyone in college sports history. No other coach is going to have that at Penn State or pretty much anywhere. Bill O'Brien will be lucky if he's still the coach in 5 years. |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:59 pm ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: The culture changed when Paterno got canned. The removal of the statue completes Act I, II, and III of the Culture Change play. Exactly.Now, PSU is just like any other big-time jackass fan base, the LSUs, Auburns, Ohio States, and Alabamas, of the world. The thing about Penn State is that academically they'd be equal to Missouri State if not for Joe Paterno. Paterno had a bigger impact on the academic side of the university than anyone in college sports history. No other coach is going to have that at Penn State or pretty much anywhere. Bill O'Brien will be lucky if he's still the coach in 5 years. Wait, didn't you hear? Bill O'Brien is being crowned as we speak in the admin. building on campus. He will ascend to his rightful place as King of Pennsylvania at the beginning of the season. He is just now sitting down with the Governor, his puppet, and setting tax rates and business regulations. I've been told that next on the block for his majesty is directing the police to cover up his sociopathic violent rampages. |
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| Author: | beni hanna [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:02 pm ] |
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We are entirely certain that the death penalty will not apply. Why do I say that? The PSU Bored of Trustees is meeting as we type/read. Apparently they are pissed off that Erickson signed off on the sanctions. It is entirely possible, though not probable, that they might choose to override Erickson's actions and do something completely different. quite bizarre. Michael Sisak @cvmikesisak - Reports indicate Penn State Board of Trustees is meeting at 5 pm at campus hotel to discuss pres Erickson's unilateral approval of sanctions Kevin Horne @KevinHornePSU - Which of the Freeh report recommendations involved blocking the media for access to Board of Trustees meetings? Laura Nichols @LC_Nichols - Hotel staff just put up BARRIERS and moved all media back. Ms. Peetz, 'tear down that wall! |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Starting to believe Dan is right. PSU = no football |
beni hanna wrote: We are entirely certain that the death penalty will not apply. Why do I say that? The PSU Bored of Trustees is meeting as we type/read. Apparently they are pissed off that Erickson signed off on the sanctions. It is entirely possible, though not probable, that they might choose to override Erickson's actions and do something completely different. quite bizarre. Michael Sisak @cvmikesisak - Reports indicate Penn State Board of Trustees is meeting at 5 pm at campus hotel to discuss pres Erickson's unilateral approval of sanctions Kevin Horne @KevinHornePSU - Which of the Freeh report recommendations involved blocking the media for access to Board of Trustees meetings? Laura Nichols @LC_Nichols - Hotel staff just put up BARRIERS and moved all media back. Ms. Peetz, 'tear down that wall! So what are the possible outcomes here? They retroactively so "NO" to the punishment? Or plea for something else? |
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| Author: | beni hanna [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:04 pm ] |
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O'Brien is sitting pretty. Agreement: Bill O'Brien's contract at Penn State extended automatically to match postseason ban UNIVERSITY PARK — Penn State's four-year bowl ban means an extra four years on head football coach Bill O'Brien's contract. A document obtained today by the Centre Daily Times shows the agreement was reached when O'Brien was hired in January to allow for a reaction to possible NCAA sanctions. Read more here: http://www.centredaily.com/2012/07/25/3 ... rylink=cpy |
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| Author: | beni hanna [ Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:05 pm ] |
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SomeGuy wrote: beni hanna wrote: We are entirely certain that the death penalty will not apply. Why do I say that? The PSU Bored of Trustees is meeting as we type/read. Apparently they are pissed off that Erickson signed off on the sanctions. It is entirely possible, though not probable, that they might choose to override Erickson's actions and do something completely different. quite bizarre. Michael Sisak @cvmikesisak - Reports indicate Penn State Board of Trustees is meeting at 5 pm at campus hotel to discuss pres Erickson's unilateral approval of sanctions Kevin Horne @KevinHornePSU - Which of the Freeh report recommendations involved blocking the media for access to Board of Trustees meetings? Laura Nichols @LC_Nichols - Hotel staff just put up BARRIERS and moved all media back. Ms. Peetz, 'tear down that wall! So what are the possible outcomes here? They retroactively so "NO" to the punishment? Or plea for something else? I am with you. Shit on a stick. This was pretty funny actually. Michael Sisak @cvmikesisak - Because death was better? MT @realDonaldTrump: By folding, PS leadership made things worse. deal is ridiculous & punishes the wrong people. |
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