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Author: | Dreday [ Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:44 pm ] |
Post subject: | I noticed Dan shouts down anyone who even dares to question |
the draft or the Trestman hire. I've never seen B&B support a new coach like they're doing now. Are the Bears paying the score or something? |
Author: | Curious Hair [ Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:44 pm ] |
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They're paying CBS, yes. |
Author: | Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:46 pm ] |
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What draft? I havent listened much recently, but what I did hear was that Bernstein said no one knows if this is a good hire yet or not. Not sure they support him. |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:47 pm ] |
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Dreday wrote: the draft or the Trestman hire. I've never seen B&B support a new coach like they're doing now. Are the Bears paying the score or something? You must be new around these parts... |
Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:48 pm ] |
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SomeGuy, address Hoffy's accurate statement above yours. |
Author: | Dave In Champaign [ Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:32 pm ] |
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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote: What draft? I havent listened much recently, but what I did hear was that Bernstein said no one knows if this is a good hire yet or not. Not sure they support him. I can't remember the last time Dan actually staked himself to a potentially falsifiable position, but when he claims that Emery "pissed off the rest of the NFL" by gleaning so many "state secrets" from interviewing Really Smart People, or when he says he admires that Trestman is "an intellect," I think the implication is pretty clear. |
Author: | SpiralStairs [ Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:37 pm ] |
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Dave In Champaign wrote: I can't remember the last time Dan actually staked himself to a potentially falsifiable position, but when he claims that Emery "pissed off the rest of the NFL" by gleaning so many "state secrets" from interviewing Really Smart People, or when he says he admires that Trestman is "an intellect," I think the implications are pretty clear. You just watch the Bears win a Super Bowl mister, then you will look quite the fool. On a side note, the more I look at these positions Dan takes the more I think of Krusty the Clown and the dump truck of money corporate sponsors unloaded into his front yard. |
Author: | Dave In Champaign [ Wed Jan 23, 2013 11:40 pm ] |
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SpiralStairs wrote: On a side note, the more I look at these positions Dan takes the more I think of Krusty the Clown and the dump truck of money corporate sponsors unloaded into his front yard. |
Author: | cpguy [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:13 am ] |
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SomeGuy wrote: Dreday wrote: the draft or the Trestman hire. I've never seen B&B support a new coach like they're doing now. Are the Bears paying the score or something? You must be new around these parts... Nice Spada avatar! |
Author: | good dolphin [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:48 am ] |
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Emery's first draft was an utter failure in year 1, though obviously you give it more than a year to reach a final conclusion. One guy showed real potential (Jefrey). Every single pick underachieved. |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:59 am ] |
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: SomeGuy, address Hoffy's accurate statement above yours. Why should I? |
Author: | Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:02 am ] |
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Dave In Champaign wrote: Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote: What draft? I havent listened much recently, but what I did hear was that Bernstein said no one knows if this is a good hire yet or not. Not sure they support him. I can't remember the last time Dan actually staked himself to a potentially falsifiable position, but when he claims that Emery "pissed off the rest of the NFL" by gleaning so many "state secrets" from interviewing Really Smart People, or when he says he admires that Trestman is "an intellect," I think the implication is pretty clear. But Emery is doing it the right way. And Bernstein said it could fail miserably and no one knows how it will turn out. I thought that was what they were shouting down. People who believe they can prognosticate. I think there can still be good sports talk without prognostication. |
Author: | Brick [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:04 am ] |
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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote: But Emery is doing it the right way. And Bernstein said it could fail miserably and no one knows how it will turn out. I thought that was what they were shouting down. People who believe they can prognosticate. I think there can still be good sports talk without prognostication. Bernstein has been a blind apologist for Emery since he fired Lovie, going so far to mock people for thinking that Emery wasn't in total control of the hiring decision.It's not really his style to predict the future but you can tell he is very positive on the job Emery has done. |
Author: | Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:05 am ] |
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good dolphin wrote: Emery's first draft was an utter failure in year 1, though obviously you give it more than a year to reach a final conclusion. One guy showed real potential (Jefrey). Every single pick underachieved. Its interesting because I am sure Lovie factored into most Angelo draft picks. His first draft was most likely totally Emery's picks. Let's see how he drafts for Trestman's needs and wants. With the exception of a few GMs, most have a lot of problems with drafting. |
Author: | Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:17 am ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote: But Emery is doing it the right way. And Bernstein said it could fail miserably and no one knows how it will turn out. I thought that was what they were shouting down. People who believe they can prognosticate. I think there can still be good sports talk without prognostication. Bernstein has been a blind apologist for Emery since he fired Lovie, going so far to mock people for thinking that Emery wasn't in total control of the hiring decision. I just don't know how fair people were at the time of the Emery hiring. How should he have approached the initial feedback of reporters at the outset of the hiring? I don't have exact comments, but I remember hearing right from the outset that Emery was not going to have authority in his role. He believed that was wrong and attacked it. From that perspective, yes, he has been positive and supportive of the job Emery is doing. Quote: It's not really his style to predict the future but you can tell he is very positive on the job Emery has done. I can't disagree with this. He has been positive of the job he has done. To the OP point, I can agree with Dan shooting down the questioning of Emery's authority. I'm fine with Dan shooting down people for arguing about the job Emery has done so far. I think its fair to question his drafting ability and the Trestman hire. The downside of that is that Dan could be REALLY wrong and look the fool later. |
Author: | Dave In Champaign [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:24 am ] |
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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote: Dave In Champaign wrote: Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote: What draft? I havent listened much recently, but what I did hear was that Bernstein said no one knows if this is a good hire yet or not. Not sure they support him. I can't remember the last time Dan actually staked himself to a potentially falsifiable position, but when he claims that Emery "pissed off the rest of the NFL" by gleaning so many "state secrets" from interviewing Really Smart People, or when he says he admires that Trestman is "an intellect," I think the implication is pretty clear. But Emery is doing it the right way. And Bernstein said it could fail miserably and no one knows how it will turn out. I thought that was what they were shouting down. People who believe they can prognosticate. I think there can still be good sports talk without prognostication. This is entirely my point. Bernstein talks about football as if it's particle physics and Emery and Trestman are a couple of Nobel Prize winners, even as he's imploring us to "BE. A. SKEPTIC." in re: the Te'o story. Then at some point he realizes he's laying it on too thick (or he gets spooked by a couple of meatbally callers agreeing with him) and stridently reaffirms his faith in historical contingency so no one can call him out if everyone gets fired in three years. I have no idea what "Emery is doing it the right way" means. That's something stupid people say about Coach K. |
Author: | Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:31 am ] |
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The hiring process mirrors a common successful leadership trait. I do the same thing with my interview process. I interview a lot of candidates to harvest ideas and to see how other companies are doing things, right or wrong. Its an amazing source of research. Like Emery though, I've had some bum hires and some great hires. But what do I know, I am just one of the stupid people. |
Author: | denisdman [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:40 am ] |
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Dave In Champaign wrote: Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote: What draft? I havent listened much recently, but what I did hear was that Bernstein said no one knows if this is a good hire yet or not. Not sure they support him. I can't remember the last time Dan actually staked himself to a potentially falsifiable position, but when he claims that Emery "pissed off the rest of the NFL" by gleaning so many "state secrets" from interviewing Really Smart People, or when he says he admires that Trestman is "an intellect," I think the implication is pretty clear. Hmm, he has the state secrets theory too? Rozner wrote the same thing, and I laughed. Rozner was convinced that Emery merely interviewed so many people just to get intel on other teams. |
Author: | denisdman [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 8:44 am ] |
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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote: The hiring process mirrors a common successful leadership trait. I do the same thing with my interview process. I interview a lot of candidates to harvest ideas and to see how other companies are doing things, right or wrong. Its an amazing source of research. Like Emery though, I've had some bum hires and some great hires. But what do I know, I am just one of the stupid people. Do you really get good info? I suppose if you worked for a tech company, there may be unique things going on. But with most businesses, we all operate in a pretty similar fashion. One company has better customer service, another has a better computer system, and others better employees. Still, with all the people I have interviewed over the years, I never spoke to someone that was doing anything revolutionary or truly unique. I suspect it is the same way in football. Sure someone comes up with a new scheme, and then everyone sees it in on film and copies parts of it. With all the annual movement in pro sports, I doubt anything is kept a secret very long. |
Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:09 am ] |
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SomeGuy wrote: The Original Kid Cairo wrote: SomeGuy, address Hoffy's accurate statement above yours. Why should I? I see. So you refuse to acknowledge facts that challenge your narratives...like Bernstein does. Got it. |
Author: | Douchebag [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 9:57 am ] |
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Curious Hair wrote: They're paying CBS, yes. Isn't it the other way around? I don't think the Bears are paying CBS to broadcast their games on radio. |
Author: | Crystal Lake Hoffy [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:15 am ] |
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In the tech industry, absolutely. Applications are like a work of art. Everyone looks at them differently, everyone has its own uniqueness to it and most of them are complete pieces of crap. |
Author: | BD [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:43 am ] |
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good dolphin wrote: Emery's first draft was an utter failure in year 1, though obviously you give it more than a year to reach a final conclusion. One guy showed real potential (Jefrey). Every single pick underachieved. That's not accurate, and one year is a bit unfair to judge a draft on. |
Author: | BD [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:45 am ] |
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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote: What draft? I havent listened much recently, but what I did hear was that Bernstein said no one knows if this is a good hire yet or not. Not sure they support him. Bernstein has said this over and over, but he has also been a proponent of hiring an intellect - I'm not sure that being a laywer or writing a book is going to make Trestman a successful coach. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:48 am ] |
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Bernstein keeps saying "it might not work" He's essentially saying, "The hire might be good or bad, but the process is correct and how you want your team being run" |
Author: | Brick [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:54 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: Bernstein keeps saying "it might not work" That is a meaningless thing to say though. He's been overwhelmingly positive about Emery since he fired Lovie and has been very positive about the hire and the hiring process. Acknowledging that it might not work isn't really saying anything. Of course it may not work. Nothing in the NFL is a 100% sure thing. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:57 am ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Bernstein keeps saying "it might not work" That is a meaningless thing to say though. He's been overwhelmingly positive about Emery since he fired Lovie and has been very positive about the hire and the hiring process. Acknowledging that it might not work isn't really saying anything. Of course it may not work. Nothing in the NFL is a 100% sure thing. Oh, I understand. Its a copout. Im just saying, that's his official position. He'll do this with Theo eventually too |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:35 am ] |
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: SomeGuy wrote: The Original Kid Cairo wrote: SomeGuy, address Hoffy's accurate statement above yours. Why should I? I see. So you refuse to acknowledge facts that challenge your narratives...like Bernstein does. Got it. What the fuck are you talking about? I was responding to Dreday, not CLH. But anyways, as has been stated in this thread, BernSTINE has been a water carrier for Emery, at first he was a "boob" and "another Angelo" but all of a sudden he is a genius, a masterful speaker and an all around football wizard....never mind his history in Kansas City. |
Author: | Dreday [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 9:26 am ] |
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Crystal Lake Hoffy wrote: What draft? I havent listened much recently, but what I did hear was that Bernstein said no one knows if this is a good hire yet or not. Not sure they support him. I believe on Monday or Tuesday, he said a caller was "talking out of his ass" for questioning the pick of a mediocre pass rusher when team needed O line help. If that's not blind support, then I don't know what it. I know Emery had a good press conference, but to get this kind of support with those draft results is classic. And most people know that Dan will be one of the first riders on the Phil Emery's a dumbass train after substaned suckage. That's why it's so funny to me. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Sat Jan 26, 2013 1:39 pm ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Bernstein keeps saying "it might not work" That is a meaningless thing to say though. He's been overwhelmingly positive about Emery since he fired Lovie and has been very positive about the hire and the hiring process. Acknowledging that it might not work isn't really saying anything. Of course it may not work. Nothing in the NFL is a 100% sure thing. Exactly. Sorry Hoffy, but there's no way you can say that Dan hasn't picked a position. He's as pro-Emery as anyone on the radio in this city. In fact, I can't remember the last time a radio host gushed about a GM this much. It's borderline creepy. He literally doesn't have one single negative thing to say about Emery. |
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