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Author:  prickly pete [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:05 am ]
Post subject:  Bernstein trolling HARD

College football players "remind" Bernstein of slaves.

WHICH IN NO WAY MEANS HE EQUATES IT TO SLAVERY, OK? THAT'S NOT WHAT HE'S SAYING, SO DON'T EVEN GO THERE.

It's just good logic:

1) They are black
2) They are being forced, against their will, to nail coeds and receive free education for the next four years.

And for all you racists out there, LaQuan bought those diamond earrings HIMSELF. He woke up EVERYDAY last summer at 3 AM to work his paper route on a RUSTY SCHWINN BICYCLE WITH FAULTY BRAKES.

SO FUCK YOU.

And his mom had been thinking about buying that Lexus way before they had even met any of those nice gentlemen who call themselves "boosters," okay?

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

Q.Bovifs wrote:
If he wasn't Jewish he'd catch Hell for this shit.

I doubt that. There's alot of repugnant comparisons to slavery. MITC and Tall Midget like to compare tax payers to slavery. It seems like collectively people have lost their perspective on that topic.

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:43 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

You're missing my point Q. I agree it's a stupid comparison on every level. I'm saying it's become borderline acceptable in our society to compare almost anything to slavery, which I find to be an extreme lack of perspective collectively.

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

Q.Bovifs wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
You're missing my point Q. I agree it's a stupid comparison on every level. I'm saying it's become borderline acceptable in our society to compare almost anything to slavery, which I find to be an extreme lack of perspective collectively.

I definitely think it is somehow less "taboo" for white people to openly complain about and even merely generally discuss racial issues now that there is a black President. I think I can remember speaking about this with Ivan 2 or more years ago.

It is a definite phenomenon.

However, much like the NFL - just scaled-up - we are copycats, and when we find a way to injure an opponent or counter-attack, we usually go to that well until it's dry. The slavery thing, the Hitler thing, those are all ways to wrest the tone of a conversation irretrievably to one side. Merely opposing that side becomes heinous then. I'd bet that a lot of times, there's almost a footrace for whom can extract such a meme-tool in a debate.

I disagree with almost all of that.

To your first point, I dont think this is a race issue. I think it's just Dan Bernstein being a fucking obtuse troll.

To your last one, let's look at it. Bernsie says National Signing Day and college recruiting is comparable to slavery. I dont think it is considered heinous or wrong to oppose it. I actually would question the character of anyone who supports the analogy. So I think you are off base on this one. Bernsie's opinions are those of a troll and not reflective the general population.

Author:  El Furpyo [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

didn't hear the full show today, but I think a few posters nailed the whole Bernstein ethos today quite well--he could care fuck-all about race, class, or even damaged CTE brains, as long as we listen and a few of us call him up and yell at him about it and others post here. All you need to know about Danny is he could have gone hard with the slavery angle to Fitz and he didn't cuz HE'S a SPONSOR and though he puts on edgy like a shirt every day, his favorite outfit is the one with corporate nipple-enhancements. And I say all this as a guy who loves him as a radio personality and has at least 2-3x a month of eerie connection/deja vu with him because we have kids with similar ages and are the same age ourselves. I can love all that and just lament that ultimately he's a skilled provocateur and entertainer who goes home after his show to a world view that is completely supported by data, big $$, and the smartest guys in the room...

Author:  Rod [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:37 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

El Furpyo wrote:
All you need to know about Danny is he could have gone hard with the slavery angle to Fitz and he didn't cuz HE'S a SPONSOR and though he puts on edgy like a shirt every day, his favorite outfit is the one with corporate nipple-enhancements.


Coach Fitz: Chicago's Big Ten Slave Trader.

Author:  bigfan [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

Allow them to do ads! Then the true market is in play and the kids that companies want, will get paid. Nobody needs to determine it, other than the market. Of course, every football player at USC would have a dealer auto...but whats wrong with that?

Author:  Brick [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

The funny thing is that professional sports are much closer to an actual slave trade. They just get paid more.

Professional athletes have:
1) Very little choice as to where they end up. Prospective players get told where to go.
2) The deals they sign are not really negotiated by them. They are negotiated by players associations before they are a member of that association.
3) NFL Combine
4) Unbreakable contracts exist in the pro leagues. If a player wants to switch teams, they are told no. In college, they are told they may have to sit out a year.
5) Trades. You are literally selling a person.

Now, obviously the pay is better in the pro leagues, but I don't think being underpaid was the problem with slavery.

Oh, and once again, let me point out that playing NCAA sports is completely voluntary, there are thousands of people who would be willing to take the "bad deal" they get, and that for 99% of NCAA Division 1 football and basketball players they receive FAR more in benefits than they generate for the school. To put it in a way that Bernstein can understand, the value above replacement athlete in terms of money is so small that only a small group of players generate enough value to cover the cost of the scholarship and then numerous other benefits.

Oh, and by the way, most of the players get paid under the table too that are worth more than the cost of a scholarship.

Author:  Brick [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

bigfan wrote:
Allow them to do ads! Then the true market is in play and the kids that companies want, will get paid. Nobody needs to determine it, other than the market. Of course, every football player at USC would have a dealer auto...but whats wrong with that?
I'd like to see this idea happen with the money going into a trust fund they get after their career is over. I see a lot of problems with an 18 year old top recruit getting a million dollars from the local car dealership with all the street agents and other people in his life that are looking to make a buck off of him.

Schools should also be allowed to provide a few thousand dollars a month to players for living expenses.

Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:15 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

Marriage is like slavery.

Author:  pittmike [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Schools should also be allowed to provide a few thousand dollars a month to players for living expenses.



:lol: A few thousand dollars a month for living expenses? That is more than most of the populations makes.

Author:  Rod [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

pittmike wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Schools should also be allowed to provide a few thousand dollars a month to players for living expenses.



:lol: A few thousand dollars a month for living expenses? That is more than most of the populations makes.


True, but their real market value is much higher than most of the population. And it's certainly higher than a few grand a month.

Author:  Brick [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:19 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

pittmike wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Schools should also be allowed to provide a few thousand dollars a month to players for living expenses.



:lol: A few thousand dollars a month for living expenses? That is more than most of the populations makes.
$24,000-$36,000 isn't really that crazy.

I didn't say they would be required too. They should have the option.

Author:  pittmike [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

Ok but say 60 scholarship football players and 12 hoops guys is around $1.7M per year. And you know as soon as this pops Title IX will pop as well as the lesser sports athletes. Can of worms to be sure.

Author:  Rod [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

pittmike wrote:
Ok but say 60 scholarship football players and 12 hoops guys is around $1.7M per year. And you know as soon as this pops Title IX will pop as well as the lesser sports athletes. Can of worms to be sure.



Some of them boos on NU's lacrosse team are earning their two grand a month.

Author:  Brick [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

pittmike wrote:
Ok but say 60 scholarship football players and 12 hoops guys is around $1.7M per year. And you know as soon as this pops Title IX will pop as well as the lesser sports athletes. Can of worms to be sure.
At worst, they'd have to throw some money at some girls and they'd pay the players less. Title IX does not guarantee equal funding. If it did, then we'd have $100 million dollar volleyball stadiums on campuses.

Author:  pittmike [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
pittmike wrote:
Ok but say 60 scholarship football players and 12 hoops guys is around $1.7M per year. And you know as soon as this pops Title IX will pop as well as the lesser sports athletes. Can of worms to be sure.
At worst, they'd have to throw some money at some girls and they'd pay the players less. Title IX does not guarantee equal funding. If it did, then we'd have $100 million dollar volleyball stadiums on campuses.


Right on the equal funding but for some reason I am certain when it comes to paying or granting money to athletes they will not be able to pass the argument that it only deserves to go to the revenue positive sports. The female equality angle is a gift to trial lawyers everywhere.

Author:  Dave In Champaign [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:39 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
El Furpyo wrote:
All you need to know about Danny is he could have gone hard with the slavery angle to Fitz and he didn't cuz HE'S a SPONSOR and though he puts on edgy like a shirt every day, his favorite outfit is the one with corporate nipple-enhancements.


Coach Fitz: Chicago's Big Ten Slave Trader.


GO CLOTILDE

Author:  Brick [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

pittmike wrote:
Right on the equal funding but for some reason I am certain when it comes to paying or granting money to athletes they will not be able to pass the argument that it only deserves to go to the revenue positive sports. The female equality angle is a gift to trial lawyers everywhere.
It could go to any sport. The nations best volleyball player would probably get a monthly check too.

Now, if it was mandated that every athlete gets a certain amount, then all athletes would need it. However, most of the smaller schools could never afford it so that won't happen.

Author:  Tall Midget [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:59 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

FavreFan wrote:
Q.Bovifs wrote:
If he wasn't Jewish he'd catch Hell for this shit.

I doubt that. There's alot of repugnant comparisons to slavery. MITC and Tall Midget like to compare tax payers to slavery. It seems like collectively people have lost their perspective on that topic.


Please identify a post where I have EVER made such a comparison. If you bother to search, you won't find one because such a thought has never occurred to me.

If you want to incite a confrontation, at least get your facts straight. Something tells me, though, that facts are irrelevant to you. What a deceitful little sack of crap you are.

Author:  good dolphin [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

well that escalated quickly

Author:  redskingreg [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

It's tough to troll because he doesn't even know what it means. Remember that discussion? Goff, Spiegel, or someone else brought up trolling, and Dan claims to have no clue what it was.

Author:  SpiralStairs [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

redskingreg wrote:
It's tough to troll because he doesn't even know what it means. Remember that discussion? Goff, Spiegel, or someone else brought up trolling, and Dan claims to have no clue what it was.


I'd call that meta-trolling.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

good dolphin wrote:
well that escalated quickly

yeah, really

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:52 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The funny thing is that professional sports are much closer to an actual slave trade. They just get paid more.

Professional athletes have:
1) Very little choice as to where they end up. Prospective players get told where to go.
2) The deals they sign are not really negotiated by them. They are negotiated by players associations before they are a member of that association.
3) NFL Combine
4) Unbreakable contracts exist in the pro leagues. If a player wants to switch teams, they are told no. In college, they are told they may have to sit out a year.
5) Trades. You are literally selling a person.

Now, obviously the pay is better in the pro leagues, but I don't think being underpaid was the problem with slavery.

Oh, and once again, let me point out that playing NCAA sports is completely voluntary, there are thousands of people who would be willing to take the "bad deal" they get, and that for 99% of NCAA Division 1 football and basketball players they receive FAR more in benefits than they generate for the school. To put it in a way that Bernstein can understand, the value above replacement athlete in terms of money is so small that only a small group of players generate enough value to cover the cost of the scholarship and then numerous other benefits.

Oh, and by the way, most of the players get paid under the table too that are worth more than the cost of a scholarship.

I get what you're saying but all we have to do is remind ourselves they arent being forced to play football and that millions of people would trade spots with them in a second and the slavery comparison seems ridiculous as hell. The slavery thing is just about the stupidest analogy anyone can ever try to make when it comes to anything sports related.

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

Tall Midget wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Q.Bovifs wrote:
If he wasn't Jewish he'd catch Hell for this shit.

I doubt that. There's alot of repugnant comparisons to slavery. MITC and Tall Midget like to compare tax payers to slavery. It seems like collectively people have lost their perspective on that topic.


Please identify a post where I have EVER made such a comparison. If you bother to search, you won't find one because such a thought has never occurred to me.

If you want to incite a confrontation, at least get your facts straight. Something tells me, though, that facts are irrelevant to you. What a deceitful little sack of crap you are.

:lol:

Someone shit in your cheerios this morning Midget? I can't remember every single post I have read in the over five years I have been here and I thought I had heard you agree with MITC. MITC used to have it in his signature so I know I'm not wrong about that one. I'm sorry for mistakenly attributing that thought to you as well. Feel better now you delicate little flower you?

Author:  SomeGuy [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!

Author:  Tall Midget [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:13 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

FavreFan wrote:
Tall Midget wrote:
FavreFan wrote:
Q.Bovifs wrote:
If he wasn't Jewish he'd catch Hell for this shit.

I doubt that. There's alot of repugnant comparisons to slavery. MITC and Tall Midget like to compare tax payers to slavery. It seems like collectively people have lost their perspective on that topic.


Please identify a post where I have EVER made such a comparison. If you bother to search, you won't find one because such a thought has never occurred to me.

If you want to incite a confrontation, at least get your facts straight. Something tells me, though, that facts are irrelevant to you. What a deceitful little sack of crap you are.

:lol:

Someone shit in your cheerios this morning Midget? I can't remember every single post I have read in the over five years I have been here and I thought I had heard you agree with MITC. MITC used to have it in his signature so I know I'm not wrong about that one. I'm sorry for mistakenly attributing that thought to you as well? Feel better now you delicate little flower you?


In other words, you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. What a surprise!

Author:  FavreFan [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

Because I was wrong about one thing I thought you posted years ago? Stop being such a sensitive bitch.

Author:  Mini Ditka [ Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Bernstein trolling HARD

I don't know that the players are slaves, but I do think the football and basketball players make a lot more money for the school and the NCAA than the value of their scholarships. The vast majority of the NCAA basketball players never make it to the NBA, so their one year of free tuition is as good as it gets for them. How much are they really going to learn when they are flying around the country to play basketball games?

As for college football there are much better odds that those guys can make the pros. However, given the rough nature of football it's hardly worth the risk of paralysis and permanent bodily injury just for a scholarship. Honestly, there are a lot of athletes who are not going to make good use of their scholarships. The NCAA spins it as though the players are students first and a lot of the players wouldn't qualify academically to get into the universities they play for.

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