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are you serious? at the time it was the right thing.

notbob wrote:

are you serious? at the time it was the right thing.

I think it could be argued that it was too much of a risk without Howard signing an extension.

If Howard is having such a great season, why aren't the Lakers in first place? B&B did say if you have Howard you're a title contender.

Dwight Howard is Kevin Willis with hype

rogers park bryan wrote:

Dwight Howard is Kevin Willis with hype

There is some NBA wisdom right there mister.

Spot on. Shake that

Howard's having a terrible season, but I find this revisionism perplexing. He's generally been dominant. His advanced stats:

A PER of 26 just two seasons ago. C'mon, son.

Seacrest wrote:

rogers park bryan wrote:

Dwight Howard is Kevin Willis with hype

There is some NBA wisdom right there mister.

Spot on. Shake that

oh yeah, spot on. Ever watch Kevin Willis play? He didn't know how to play help defense. Couldn't rotate defensively to save his life. Couldn't be more different from Howard.

Remember last year when Bernstein's was adamant that the Bulls should trade Boozer, Noah and whoever else to Orlando for Dwight Howard? Do you think given Howard's performance with the Lakers that the Bulls should have made that trade? Or do you think Bernstein was wrong and that Dwight Howard is just an overrated cry baby coach killer who has failed to live up to expectations after finally getting to his dream team in the Lakers?

Boilermaker Rick wrote:

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=67053

Where they were wrong was in insisting Howard was the best center in the league. That's why I find it so difficult to believe they "knew" that Jordan was Jordan before he became Jordan. They thought Carmelo was far more than he really is, which is just a guy who can score in the league like a lot of guys can given the shots. The NBA talent evaluation of B&b leaves much to be desired. It may have improved with Goff leaving however.

If Howard is having such a great season, why aren't the Lakers in first place? B&B did say if you have Howard you're a title contender.

He is the best center in the league but it is a thin crop at the position. His status has been elevated because of that. I don't believe he has ever been dominant.

Author:	Mini Ditka [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:31 am ]
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Remember last year when Bernstein's was adamant that the Bulls should trade Boozer, Noah and whoever else to Orlando for Dwight Howard? Do you think given Howard's performance with the Lakers that the Bulls should have made that trade? Or do you think Bernstein was wrong and that Dwight Howard is just an overrated cry baby coach killer who has failed to live up to expectations after finally getting to his dream team in the Lakers?

Author:	notbob [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:33 am ]
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are you serious? at the time it was the right thing. since then, this guy has been hurt in a lot of ways.

Author:	Mini Ditka [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:35 am ]
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notbob wrote: are you serious? at the time it was the right thing. I think it could be argued that it was too much of a risk without Howard signing an extension.

Author:	Brick [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:36 am ]
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http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=67053

Author:	notbob [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:40 am ]
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Mini Ditka wrote: notbob wrote: are you serious? at the time it was the right thing. I think it could be argued that it was too much of a risk without Howard signing an extension. if you factor that in, sure? it was a story last week that he will make is next choices based on winning. not being the main man. off court deals. who knows what the off season will bring?

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Author:	Rod [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:43 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=67053 Where they were wrong was in insisting Howard was the best center in the league. That's why I find it so difficult to believe they "knew" that Jordan was Jordan before he became Jordan. They thought Carmelo was far more than he really is, which is just a guy who can score in the league like a lot of guys can given the shots. The NBA talent evaluation of B&b leaves much to be desired. It may have improved with Goff leaving however.

Author:	312player [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:16 am ]
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Lakers were never a team Howard wanted...that is why many speculate he will leave at seasons end. Howard is the best center in the league...for several years running.

Author:	long time guy [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:18 am ]
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I do think they were wrong about Howard. He was not the go to guy the one year that they were in the finals Hedo Turkoglu was. He does not have enough of an offensive game. You can win with him obviously but you are not going to win simply because of him. he wanted to play with better players and now he does and still is not happy. When you put the personalities aside it appears that he is not the player that everyone believed him to be. In terms of Anthony I disagree he has carried the Knicks all year. he was and is a legit MVP candidate. I remember last year a lot of people were dissing him for the Knicks woes. They will probably have the second best record in the East and that is primarily due to his play. I do believe that the B&B acumen regarding hoops is overrated. Last week that they stated how the Bulls window was closing because Indiana is on the come. Paul George was listed as the next great thing. Anyone who saw how Dwayne Wade destroyed him in the playoffs would beg to differ. They find way too convenient for me when it comes to Bulls dissing. I am not a homer I love basketball but it is way over the top the way that fans and that team are so easily dismissed by them.

Author:	312player [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:21 am ]
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Author:	rogers park bryan [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:24 am ]
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Dwight Howard is Kevin Willis with hype

Author:	MattInTheCrown [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:46 am ]
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Howard's having a terrible season, but I find this revisionism perplexing. He's generally been dominant. His advanced stats: A PER of 26 just two seasons ago. C'mon, son.

Author:	City of Fools [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:52 am ]
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If I could sign him to a long term deal with incentives for staying healthy, I'd still take Howard. He's the second or third best center in the NBA when he's healthy.

Author:	Mini Ditka [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:55 am ]
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If Howard is having such a great season, why aren't the Lakers in first place? B&B did say if you have Howard you're a title contender.

Author:	Seacrest [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:17 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote: Dwight Howard is Kevin Willis with hype There is some NBA wisdom right there mister. Spot on. Shake that

Author:	Seacrest [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:38 pm ]
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And yes, I did watch Kevin Willis play. Willis' Game On The Rebound By Tim Povtak of The Sentinel Staff, December 10, 1991 For so many seasons, Kevin Willis epitomized the Atlanta Hawks - so much physical talent but so little yield.He often infuriated former coach Mike Fratello, who eventually was fired. He certainly frustrated coach Bobby Weiss last season.Poor shots, technical fouls, questionable effort and unquestionably bad judgment, all made Willis one of the game's biggest underachievers.It's no wonder the Hawks wanted to talk trade this summer, but no one would talk back when it came to Willis. People loved his body, 7 feet, 234 pounds of rippling muscle, but they wouldn't touch his head. Change Kevin Willis to Dwight Howard and you are reporting the same story.

Author:	sinicalypse [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:30 pm ]
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Generally I think it is a bad idea to heavily invest the future of your franchise in a basketball player who can't shoot. The Bulls already tried that with Ben Wallace, granted Howard's size/athleticism tends to make him a more competent-by-default player than B-Dub. Historically, I could be wrong insomuchas Shaq never really had an offensive game beyond being 7'/300 and thusly being able to back you down into his range (roughly 3 feet) and on the surface Howard is a far more dynamic athlete than Shaq... but still, I think having a guy like him is more of a final piece (albeit a literally/technically) big one as opposed to being THE #1 REASON YOU WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS. Shaq won his titles with a young top-10/ish player of all-time (Kobe) and managed another one during a goofy year where the East didn't have any perennial powerhouses at the top of their game, not to mention he was alongside a guy who at his peak was playing like a top-10/ish all-time player in Dwayne wade (time will tell if his body is able to withstand the punishment his style of play brings; certainly having Lebron around helps him out since he doesn't HAVE to be the #1 scoring option in a pinch down the stretch) Dwight would be truly scary if he could hit free throws and/or develop some sort of a jump shot game that was money within 12 feet. I think in today's NBA with such prolific scorers flanked by other dynamic offensive guys in the "robin" role you're going to need to be able to score down the stretch in order to keep up with gunning finished in the deeper rounds of the playoffs. When you've got a big man paid to be a top offensive option who is capable of being stymied by being sent to the free throw line down the stretch, you lose a presumably-top-offensive weapon and therefore you'll be coming up short when you're up against teams with two scorers better than your first. Sure Dwight's defensive presence will help pile up regular season wins and get you through a couple's rounds, but I'm pretty sure you're bound to come up short when it counts because the age-old hack-a-shaq defense will work too well when the guy seems to be actively getting worse at shooting free throws as time goes on.

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Author:	City of Fools [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 12:25 pm ]
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Seacrest wrote: rogers park bryan wrote: Dwight Howard is Kevin Willis with hype There is some NBA wisdom right there mister. Spot on. Shake that oh yeah, spot on. Ever watch Kevin Willis play? He didn't know how to play help defense. Couldn't rotate defensively to save his life. Couldn't be more different from Howard.

Author:	BD [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:54 pm ]
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Mini Ditka wrote: Remember last year when Bernstein's was adamant that the Bulls should trade Boozer, Noah and whoever else to Orlando for Dwight Howard? Do you think given Howard's performance with the Lakers that the Bulls should have made that trade? Or do you think Bernstein was wrong and that Dwight Howard is just an overrated cry baby coach killer who has failed to live up to expectations after finally getting to his dream team in the Lakers? I think Bernstein admitted last week (or the week prior) that the people who questioned his work ethic, maturity were correct about Howard.

Author:	BD [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:55 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=67053 Where they were wrong was in insisting Howard was the best center in the league. That's why I find it so difficult to believe they "knew" that Jordan was Jordan before he became Jordan. They thought Carmelo was far more than he really is, which is just a guy who can score in the league like a lot of guys can given the shots. The NBA talent evaluation of B&b leaves much to be desired. It may have improved with Goff leaving however. They don't think they are incorrect about Anthony. Everytime he's mentioned, they are both in awe of his scoring ability.

Author:	BD [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:02 pm ]
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Mini Ditka wrote: If Howard is having such a great season, why aren't the Lakers in first place? B&B did say if you have Howard you're a title contender. Howard isn't having a great season, he's clearly injured, and his offensive game is lacking. He's still a tremendous rebounder, but there have been issues with Gasol playing alongside Howard. Nash missed time, and is a bad fit for this current team - he's not really playing as much PG as he has in the past with Kobe there, and he's awful defensively. I am surprised they are this bad, I thought the pieces would eventually come together, but I think the injuries combined with the roster not really fitting the style of their coach, not to mention the parts are sort of a heap of mis-matches are the main reasons....

Author:	long time guy [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:01 pm ]
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Its not that he is a bad fit he is not as good as advertised. He is a good rebounder and shot blocker and a very mechanical offensive player. He is a terrible foul shooter he is turnover prone and does not require a double team the problem with the Boers and Bernstein assessment is that they seem to think that he is a dominant center. He is not its not that he has these newly expounded upon character issues he is a second or third option on a championship team.

Author:	long time guy [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 3:10 pm ]
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He is the best center in the league but it is a thin crop at the position. His status has been elevated because of that. I don't believe he has ever been dominant. He wanted to play with better players and he is and he is not happy. There is a bigger glare in L.A. and a lot of his holes as a player are being exposed.

Author:	The Original Kid Cairo [ Tue Feb 19, 2013 4:26 pm ]
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long time guy wrote: He is the best center in the league but it is a thin crop at the position. His status has been elevated because of that. I don't believe he has ever been dominant. I would agree with that. I've said before that Brad Daugherty in his prime would be the best center in the NBA if he played today, and Daugherty was probably only the fifth best center in the league in his prime.