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Author: | conns7901 [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:40 am ] |
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We will be told the Hawks start means nothing without a title. Callers will be baited. Listen or don't. By Dan Bernstein- CBSChicago.com Senior Columnist (CBS) Blackhawks President John McDonough understands the difference between history and trivia. It was a subtle undercurrent last night amid the manufactured gravitas of the Marian Hossa 1000-game ceremony, but the team’s top executive used the opportunity to continue to do what he has done since getting the job: keep everything focused on winning championships. I’m not sure how many fans appreciated his casual reference to Hossa still having more important aspirations this year, but the painting of him hoisting the Stanley Cup – given to him, per McDonough, to commemorate the greatest moment of his career — was a stark reminder of what all this is ultimately about. The trumped-up pregame party was signature McDonough on display. Even while maximizing a relatively mundane statistical accomplishment (280 players have done it) for the purposes of mawkish stagecraft, he was still able to use it to keep the NHL title top of mind for anyone caring to pay attention. Some fans are uncomfortable trying to reconcile this reality with their currently giddy euphoria over the record-setting start. Anybody daring to point out that larger accomplishments loom is derided for trying to spoil the fun, quickly getting the “No Pare La Fiesta” message. It’s a peculiar thing, this apparent emotional fragility, especially considering that the franchise is not far removed from its own parade, and that “One Goal” has been a marketing mantra, with its message obvious. The last Chicago team with an unprecedented start to the season went out of their way to embrace the higher expectations brought on by their success, not worried for a second that any fleeting happiness could be undermined by confronting the truth. The 1996 Bulls began the season 41-3, en route to 72 wins. Along the way, and amid the Beatles-in-America kind of attention they attracted, both Scottie Pippen and Ron Harper were fond of saying “It don’t mean a thing without the ring.” They were smart enough to copyright the slogan, even, monetizing it on hats and t-shirts as the playoffs were set to begin. No fear, their excitement over less meaningful games tempered by context, and full awareness of how disappointing anything less than ultimate victory would be after setting a record. Their own version of “One Goal.” Blackhawks fans should revel similarly in the higher stakes created by their team’s explosion out of the lockout. There is no reason for any current thrills to be lessened one iota by the focus on the championship, when that singularity of purpose is what validates and galvanizes everything else. It is the principle of existence for professional sports teams at the highest levels, and particularly in the largest markets. The players know this. The coach knows it. The subtext of last night’s brief speech by McDonough was that he knows it, too. Just as he knew it in 2009, when the two of us talked during a game at the United Center. The arena thrummed with energy that night, and it was something palpable well beyond just that of long-starved fans relishing the ‘Hawks’ restoration. In voices raised to be audible above the din, we discussed how far the franchise had come so fast. I marveled, while he demurred. “Look at all this,” I told him, making a sweeping gesture to indicate the whole tableau of filled seats, intensely-shared emotion and riveting on-ice action that had been dormant for so long. “You should be very proud of yourself.” The always-affable McDonough turned serious, his eyes narrowing as he responded. “We haven’t done anything yet.” |
Author: | Curious Hair [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:05 am ] |
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Quote: The trumped-up pregame party was signature McDonough on display. Even while maximizing a relatively mundane statistical accomplishment (280 players have done it) for the purposes of mawkish stagecraft, he was still able to use it to keep the NHL title top of mind for anyone caring to pay attention. Maybe I'm just a sucker for "mawkish stagecraft," but playing 1,000 games is a fairly big deal worth marking. 280 players still isn't that many in the grand scheme of things. While yes, he's still behind luminaries such as Paul Ranheim, Derek Morris, and Patrice "Breeze-By" Brisebois, he's also Marian freaking Hossa, and worthy of a little pregame schmaltz. And maybe I'm getting conspiratorial here, but I think there was another subtext at hand, one of celebrating Hossa's longevity. In the wake of the Jannik Hansen hit, you've had a lot of murmurs that Hossa is a fragile player who can't take "real hockey hits," even though that was anything but. It seemed like a subtle reminder that hey, this guy has played a lot of games, many of them big, many of the big ones in an Indian Head, so don't think this guy can't hold up. Keep the faith, and all that. Quote: Some fans are uncomfortable trying to reconcile this reality with their currently giddy euphoria over the record-setting start. Anybody daring to point out that larger accomplishments loom is derided for trying to spoil the fun, quickly getting the “No Pare La Fiesta” message. It’s a peculiar thing, this apparent emotional fragility, especially considering that the franchise is not far removed from its own parade, and that “One Goal” has been a marketing mantra, with its message obvious. This is like when wikipedia articles have sentences that begin with "some argue that...". I haven't come across any Hawks fans here, real life (yes, I do encounter them there!), other boards, or elsewhere who don't say something along the lines of "now we just have to win the Cup again." I don't think being reminded that we have a Stanley Cup to win is bothering anybody... Quote: The last Chicago team with an unprecedented start to the season went out of their way to embrace the higher expectations brought on by their success, not worried for a second that any fleeting happiness could be undermined by confronting the truth. ...OH BUT THIS MIGHT Quote: The 1996 Bulls began the season 41-3, en route to 72 wins. Along the way, and amid the Beatles-in-America kind of attention they attracted, both Scottie Pippen and Ron Harper were fond of saying “It don’t mean a thing without the ring.” They were smart enough to copyright the slogan, even, monetizing it on hats and t-shirts as the playoffs were set to begin. No fear, their excitement over less meaningful games tempered by context, and full awareness of how disappointing anything less than ultimate victory would be after setting a record. Their own version of “One Goal.” Theeeeeeeeeere it is. Anything Hawks can do, Bulls can do better, Bulls can do anything better than Hawks, yes they can, no they can't, yes they can, no they can't, YES THEY CAAAAAN. That's all it comes down to, as usual, despite saying we should be above the petty hockey-basketball sniping (as long as it's on his terms). He even noted that the '96 Bulls monetized everything! (I half-believe he's just needling the CSFMB at this point.) That mawkish huckster from the baseball team that isn't the White Sox is not a Really Smart Person. Quote: Blackhawks fans should revel similarly in the higher stakes created by their team’s explosion out of the lockout. There is no reason for any current thrills to be lessened one iota by the focus on the championship, when that singularity of purpose is what validates and galvanizes everything else. So again, everyone understands this already. You are not going to find fans of this team who are not, on the heels of 23 games without actually losing a game, thinking about anything but a championship. And in the event that you do, they're to be dismissed out of hand as idiots, anyway. Everyone who counts loves Ned Flanders, I mean, winning championships. But now I fully expect all the comments on the blogumn to be "BERNSTEIN YOUR AN IDIOT DON'T TAKE THIS AWAY FROM ME" and whatever else still misses the point. Sigh. |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:09 am ] |
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Yuck. I hope the remaining faithful have a good time with this one today. |
Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:21 am ] |
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Do any of you disagree that anything less than a Cup would be a disappointment? |
Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:22 am ] |
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Do any of you disagree that anything less than a Cup would be a disappointment? Nope. And that's why Bernstein's column sucks. It's his usual gimmick of arguing against shit nobody is actually saying. |
Author: | conns7901 [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:23 am ] |
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Do any of you disagree that anything less than a Cup would be a disappointment? No but I have yet to find a Hawks fan wouldn't. But I am sure we will get some callers today that say winning the cup doesn't matter. |
Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:23 am ] |
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Gotcha. I was just checking if anyone was arguing with the actual premise of the article. |
Author: | pittmike [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:24 am ] |
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Exactly he will frame the show like the only 22k Hawk fans in Chicago were there last night only caring about the Hossa achievement and Cheryl Scott. |
Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:25 am ] |
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Love how everybody's a hockey expert now. |
Author: | Curious Hair [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:27 am ] |
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Do any of you disagree that anything less than a Cup would be a disappointment? I seriously cannot conceive of not being disappointed with anything less. (There are too many negatives in that sentence.) Who the fuck would watch the Hawks lose in the Final, or God forbid go out in the first to the #8 Dallas Stars, and be like "well, at least we had...The Streak"? I'm not going to remember that time we beat the Blue Jackets. I'm going to remember choking, and I'll be crushed. Dan can write well (and sometimes hot damn he cannot), but he has to stop putting forth these theses that are based only on his Imaginary Twitter Feed. |
Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:29 am ] |
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He's the KOTS (King of the Strawmen). This article is proof. Feel free to use that, guys. |
Author: | Kirkwood [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:31 am ] |
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Quote: Anybody daring to point out that larger accomplishments loom is derided for trying to spoil the fun, quickly getting the “No Pare La Fiesta” message. It’s a peculiar thing, this apparent emotional fragility, especially considering that the franchise is not far removed from its own parade, and that “One Goal” has been a marketing mantra, with its message obvious. There's 0% emotional fragility. "Anybody" is derided b/c it's fucking annoying to hear "Only Championships Matter!!1" after every win. Quote: The last Chicago team with an unprecedented start to the season went out of their way to embrace the higher expectations brought on by their success, not worried for a second that any fleeting happiness could be undermined by confronting the truth. Many Hawks have stated the streak is nice but the postseason is what matters. |
Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:33 am ] |
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A lot of times, when Berns writes something, I don't know if he's responding to things people are actually saying or if he's kinda making it up. I guess it's the latter in this case. |
Author: | Northside_Dan [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:34 am ] |
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10/10 CH It's completely possible (along with very freaking normal) to be thoroughly enjoying this Hawks run while also comprehending that the goal is a parade. If the Hawks get swept out of the 1st round of the playoffs, my enjoyment of this time won't be affected in the least. My sub-conscience of these good feelings and general happiness about this times won't somehow be affected by future events sans a team full of Jerry Sandusky's. |
Author: | Kirkwood [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:34 am ] |
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Quote: both Scottie Pippen and Ron Harper were fond of saying “It don’t mean a thing without the ring.” They were smart enough to copyright the slogan, even, monetizing it on hats and t-shirts as the playoffs were set to begin. When Rod Marinelli and the D-Line made t-shirts during training camp it was campy, stupid and burrito. |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:35 am ] |
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Kirkwood wrote: Quote: Anybody daring to point out that larger accomplishments loom is derided for trying to spoil the fun, quickly getting the “No Pare La Fiesta” message. It’s a peculiar thing, this apparent emotional fragility, especially considering that the franchise is not far removed from its own parade, and that “One Goal” has been a marketing mantra, with its message obvious. There's 0% emotional fragility. "Anybody" is derided b/c it's fucking annoying to hear "Only Championships Matter!!1" after every win. Quote: The last Chicago team with an unprecedented start to the season went out of their way to embrace the higher expectations brought on by their success, not worried for a second that any fleeting happiness could be undermined by confronting the truth. Many Hawks have stated the streak is nice but the postseason is what matters. Look out for the callers that kiss his ass and fall all over themselves to tell BernSTINE that all they care about is the Stanley Cup and how fans need to know what is important and basically repeat verbatim what BernSTINE is puking out.....all the while sounding like a total dork trying to find acceptance from the cool kids. Just a prediction. |
Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:38 am ] |
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: A lot of times, when Berns writes something, I don't know if he's responding to things people are actually saying or if he's kinda making it up. I guess it's the latter in this case. Most of the time he seems to be railing against things I have not actually heard even one person say in person. In those cases I assume its always the latter. I'll change my answer to your original question actually. Yes, I disagree with his premise, because his premise supposes that there are actually a significant number of fans who feel this streak is more important than winning a Cup. |
Author: | Curious Hair [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:41 am ] |
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The Blackhawks may not be monetizing everything like the Bulls did, but does anyone think team captain and Stanley Cup Playoffs MVP Jonathan Toews isn't making sure that dressing room knows what matters? The guy must be such a tortured soul by now that he could coach in the NBA! |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:44 am ] |
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How can McDonough organize all these special nights and events and then dismiss them as not mattering? I mean, I understand his point. But its kinda like a trophy maker bemonaing the "everyone gets a trophy" thing. |
Author: | SpiralStairs [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:47 am ] |
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Dan Bernstein wrote: Anybody daring to point out that larger accomplishments loom is derided for trying to spoil the fun, quickly getting the “No Pare La Fiesta” message. Who specifically is being derided and by whom? Give me names Dan. |
Author: | Northside_Dan [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:48 am ] |
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SpiralStairs wrote: Dan Bernstein wrote: Anybody daring to point out that larger accomplishments loom is derided for trying to spoil the fun, quickly getting the “No Pare La Fiesta” message. Who specifically is being derided and by whom? Give me names Dan. He gets on a caller instantly when they use general terms like "They've been saying" or "I've been hearing" yet he does so without hesitation in all of his columns. He's doing this on purpose right? I mean, no way he's that dense. |
Author: | Rod [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:50 am ] |
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li'l danny bernstein wrote: “Look at all this,” I told him, making a sweeping gesture to indicate the whole tableau of filled seats, intensely-shared emotion and riveting on-ice action that had been dormant for so long. “You should be very proud of yourself.” The always-affable McDonough turned serious, his eyes narrowing as he responded. [/i] “We haven’t done anything yet.” I think li'l danny may be confused regarding McDonough's meaning here. Of course, a guy is running a team, he'd like to win championships. But I certainly don't believe this particular guy considers his tenure as Cub marketing boss a failure because "they didn't do anything." In fact, they did a fuck of a lot. They became possibly the most popular big league team in baseball. That's something- championships or no. And what McDonough has now accomplished with the Hawks is to provide a product and an atmosphere that is entertaining and has people excited no matter if they win another Stanley Cup or not and despite bernstein's best efforts to shit on the joy of Hawks fans new and old. John McDonough- mission accomplished. |
Author: | Rod [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:51 am ] |
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SomeGuy wrote: Kirkwood wrote: Quote: Anybody daring to point out that larger accomplishments loom is derided for trying to spoil the fun, quickly getting the “No Pare La Fiesta” message. It’s a peculiar thing, this apparent emotional fragility, especially considering that the franchise is not far removed from its own parade, and that “One Goal” has been a marketing mantra, with its message obvious. There's 0% emotional fragility. "Anybody" is derided b/c it's fucking annoying to hear "Only Championships Matter!!1" after every win. Quote: The last Chicago team with an unprecedented start to the season went out of their way to embrace the higher expectations brought on by their success, not worried for a second that any fleeting happiness could be undermined by confronting the truth. Many Hawks have stated the streak is nice but the postseason is what matters. Look out for the callers that kiss his ass and fall all over themselves to tell BernSTINE that all they care about is the Stanley Cup and how fans need to know what is important and basically repeat verbatim what BernSTINE is puking out.....all the while sounding like a total dork trying to find acceptance from the cool kids. Just a prediction. Hello, Maddux Boy! |
Author: | FavreFan [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:52 am ] |
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Northside_Dan wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Dan Bernstein wrote: Anybody daring to point out that larger accomplishments loom is derided for trying to spoil the fun, quickly getting the “No Pare La Fiesta” message. Who specifically is being derided and by whom? Give me names Dan. He gets on a caller instantly when they use general terms like "They've been saying" or "I've been hearing" yet he does so without hesitation in all of his columns. He's doing this on purpose right? I mean, no way he's that dense. Uh... |
Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:53 am ] |
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That's a pretty good WYC actually. |
Author: | Seacrest [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:59 am ] |
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FavreFan wrote: The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Do any of you disagree that anything less than a Cup would be a disappointment? Nope. And that's why Bernstein's column sucks. It's his usual gimmick of arguing against shit nobody is actually saying. Well said. |
Author: | Chus [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:08 pm ] |
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Northside_Dan wrote: SpiralStairs wrote: Dan Bernstein wrote: Anybody daring to point out that larger accomplishments loom is derided for trying to spoil the fun, quickly getting the “No Pare La Fiesta” message. Who specifically is being derided and by whom? Give me names Dan. He gets on a caller instantly when they use general terms like "They've been saying" or "I've been hearing" yet he does so without hesitation in all of his columns. He's doing this on purpose right? I mean, no way he's that dense. He does it on air too. |
Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:09 pm ] |
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So are well all just going to sit around here and complain?? Or are we going to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!! |
Author: | conns7901 [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:17 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: So are well all just going to sit around here and complain?? Or are we going to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!! I nominate City of Fools to call in and represent the CSFMB. |
Author: | Franky T [ Wed Mar 06, 2013 12:17 pm ] |
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"you know, Danny, I've been telling the people I work with not to get too excited about this wonderful start to the season because none of it will mean anything if they don't win the cup" "exactly right Maddux Boy. Thanks for the call." |
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