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Author: | Mini Ditka [ Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
He's clearly not the same player. The Bears don't need him as much as some people think they do. I think it's time to let him go. |
Author: | pittmike [ Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
I think they should keep if for 2M IF he can prove he can play via physical/tests. I am afraid they need to buy some time for replacement. Also, why did Dan jump on the Alabama question guy? Poor sap was just curious not a conspiracy theorist. Sheesh. |
Author: | badrogue17 [ Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:24 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
pittmike wrote: Also, why did Dan jump on the Alabama question guy? Poor sap was just curious not a conspiracy theorist. Sheesh. Im going to assume thats rhetorical, Mike. |
Author: | pittmike [ Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:25 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
badrogue17 wrote: pittmike wrote: Also, why did Dan jump on the Alabama question guy? Poor sap was just curious not a conspiracy theorist. Sheesh. Im going to assume thats rhetorical, Mike. |
Author: | Mini Ditka [ Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
It's funny that Holmes called Urlacher Kreutz. It was a Freudian slip. |
Author: | Dave In Champaign [ Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:19 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
Like a lot of Dan's pronouncements, he's right in the macro sense and completely full of shit when it comes to the details. The Bears would be smart not to pay big money for a guy who's in big-time decline, but his reasoning is that "He. Can't. Run." Ok, that's fine. (Although it should be pointed out that Ray Lewis has had the speed and change-of-direction skills of a rusty old wheelbarrow for a solid four years now, and he's a Big Black Stud who would literally sodomize Dick Butkus if they ever saw the field together. What's the difference? [NOTE: I know what the difference is.]) To his credit, Larry pointed out that Urlacher's experience and football IQ still had value, to which Dan sneered "That's mostly coaching. I'd give up a little of that captain-of-the-defense stuff for a guy who can really run." So apparently Dan's ideal Mike is a guy 10% dumber and 30% faster than Brian Urlacher. To his further credit (I know, weird, right?), Sir asked Dan where he was planning on finding said (presumptive) Stud, but he didn't push that hard and the whole thing kind of died. So my point is basically: let it not be said that I never complimented Laurence Holmes. |
Author: | Darkside [ Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:21 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
Dave In Champaign wrote: So my point is basically: let it not be said that I never complimented Laurence Holmes. Took awhile to get there but once you did... whew! |
Author: | bigfan [ Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
It's really quite simple. Can you find someone better and afford that player in your financial scheme? If the answer is YES, then don't sign 54. If you can't, then re-sign 54, or make him an offer for what you want to pay him. Anyone that tells me he lost something and isn't the same player is just playing "Master of the Obvious" and should be an ESPN 'expert'! |
Author: | Dallas Winston [ Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
I can believe I'm typing this, but the show today.............didn't totally suck. Bernstein was the bigger irritant today. |
Author: | Mini Ditka [ Mon Mar 18, 2013 10:33 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
bigfan wrote: It's really quite simple. Can you find someone better and afford that player in your financial scheme? If the answer is YES, then don't sign 54. If you can't, then re-sign 54, or make him an offer for what you want to pay him. Anyone that tells me he lost something and isn't the same player is just playing "Master of the Obvious" and should be an ESPN 'expert'! Maybe you don't agree but in Urlacher's last game against the Seahawks he was terrible against Russell Wilson and that was the game when he injured his hamstring. He's too old to be chasing a lot of these young guys around. I have not heard of the Bears looking at any middle linebackers in free agency, but you have to think they'll be drafting some after Nick Roach left. At this point Urlacher is not the future, but would be maybe a band-aid to get you through the season and who knows whether he can even make it through a season. |
Author: | BD [ Tue Mar 19, 2013 7:31 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
Mini Ditka wrote: He's clearly not the same player. The Bears don't need him as much as some people think they do. I think it's time to let him go. Of course, Bernstein is correct that Urlacher is not the same player he once was, but if the coaching staff, who has probably studied every snap he played last season, thinks he can play for another season, I'll take a shot based on that, not a talk show host who thinks he knows more than everyone else assuming that he's willing to sign at a cost the Bears find manageable to the cap. At the same time, Emery needs to add a young LB in this year's draft who can play on Day 1 in case Urlacher doesn't hold up for the season, not to mention, for the future, near the top of the draft. |
Author: | bigfan [ Tue Mar 19, 2013 8:49 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
Mini Ditka wrote: bigfan wrote: It's really quite simple. Can you find someone better and afford that player in your financial scheme? If the answer is YES, then don't sign 54. If you can't, then re-sign 54, or make him an offer for what you want to pay him. Anyone that tells me he lost something and isn't the same player is just playing "Master of the Obvious" and should be an ESPN 'expert'! Maybe you don't agree but in Urlacher's last game against the Seahawks he was terrible against Russell Wilson and that was the game when he injured his hamstring. He's too old to be chasing a lot of these young guys around. I have not heard of the Bears looking at any middle linebackers in free agency, but you have to think they'll be drafting some after Nick Roach left. At this point Urlacher is not the future, but would be maybe a band-aid to get you through the season and who knows whether he can even make it through a season. Correct! But you need a MLB, so find someone better! Many Urlacher Lickers use that Seattle game as an example of how he still has straight line speed. Don't remember who he caught from behind but the Seahawk player just came off a colission with a Bear defender and was basically starting to run from standing still, while Urlacher was at a full run...and he just caught the guy. I do agree their is some value to Urlacher in terms of his calling plays etc, but once again, if the guy is so bad it shouldn't be this hard to replace him. They need another OLB anyways, so go sign one. Even if they draft one, they need this other OLB. |
Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:02 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
I believe Dan was slobbing his knob at some point last year, when he was at his healthiest, claiming he was still getting the job done. The defense was great for stretches, so he mustn't have been that bad? I dunno. I didn't break down the tape. But I do like the idea of cutting the Lovie cord totally. |
Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:06 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
Hatchetman wrote: I believe Dan was slobbing his knob at some point last year, when he was at his healthiest, claiming he was still getting the job done. The defense was great for stretches, so he mustn't have been that bad? I dunno. I didn't break down the tape. But I do like the idea of cutting the Lovie cord totally. Maybe two years ago? Last year, Dan repeatedly talked about how Urlacher clearly can't move any more, especially laterally. |
Author: | Hatchetman [ Tue Mar 19, 2013 9:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
yeah I know, but he had some good games. had that pick six. I think Dan was saying, despite the fact he couldn't run he still had value. Pretty darn sure he said that. |
Author: | Mini Ditka [ Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
Hatchetman wrote: yeah I know, but he had some good games. had that pick six. I think Dan was saying, despite the fact he couldn't run he still had value. The Bears looked like world beaters the first 8 games of the season, but the Seattle game showed the holes in the team. If you remember the Urlacher pick six he looked terrible running the ball back. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Tue Mar 19, 2013 12:50 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
Nick Roach to the Raiders. That mean Ol Dumb Ass is coming back? |
Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Mar 19, 2013 4:55 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
The bears have about 6 million in cap space, 3 million after signing rookies. Average lb nick roach just signed for 3-4 million per. So who are you planning on signing that is better than urlacher while also getting 1other starting level lb and another backup level lb. then there is the matter of a backup qb If urlacher will take less than 2 million you should be happy |
Author: | doug - evergreen park [ Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:01 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
If his work out ethic and recovery history are true and hold up, he still has a good 25-28 games left in him. I'd still take 13. I suspect he'll resign. He could jog to Halas Hall to do so. |
Author: | Curious Hair [ Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
More and more I'm thinking that the Bears jumped the gun on a fresh start. We're talking about replacing a serviceable Brian Urlacher with a middle-of-the-1st draft pick so that Marc Trestman can't lose his locker room. Kind of dumb. |
Author: | pittmike [ Tue Mar 19, 2013 5:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
I think this losing the locker room is a bunch of media hooey. Trestman does not strike as one of these hard ass old schoolers that will make locker room situations that will build any sort of resentment. Without that what is there for a past locker room leader to rebel against? |
Author: | IkeSouth [ Tue Mar 19, 2013 10:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
pittmike wrote: * can i stare at your avatar? |
Author: | pittmike [ Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
sure |
Author: | No Clever Moniker [ Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
Non-athletes are quick to dismiss things like sports team chemistry, morale and leadership, as in if its not quantifiable then it doesn't exist or is of little relevance. Hence the propensity to not just downplay the significance but to illustrate it as being a negative. Consider that the organization has a new coach who emphasizes offense and a new defensive coordinator who intends to keep much of the old system, and for a moment lets ignore how accomplished his past team was in his role as defensive coordinator. If Urlacher still has some game left, and what he has is better than a replacement, then he can not only be a contributor but also one who can lead the locker room into the new coaching regime. Winning is the ultimate goal, and if Urlacher can play that is good. If he can do that and lead that is great. Worth top NFL dollars? No. But Urlacher should know the market is limited and the Bears, unless they are going to embrace the "R" word and abandon the premise for firing the previous coach, should also know that IF Urlacher can still play he is still of value. As a final note: Remember that Urlacher started the season without a training camp and not in great condition, having just had surgery. He played his way into shape but wasn't the player of old. An offseason of conditioning may return him to some form of himself, not 100% but if he can be 80% that would probably be better than any point last season, and good enough for one more year. |
Author: | sinicalypse [ Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:21 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
Dave In Champaign wrote: Sir asked Dan where he was planning on finding said (presumptive) Stud, but he didn't push that hard and the whole thing kind of died. IIRC, didn't Dan retort with saying that you can get an Undrafted Free Agent who can "easily replace" Urlacher? Then there was some trepidation that other people would have a crack at getting those UFAs and a mention about how the Bears are proactive in having their annual tryouts at RB/WR/K to make sure their contingency plans are in place should the unthinkable happen and Olindo Mare's services are needed. |
Author: | Curious Hair [ Wed Mar 20, 2013 10:37 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
Remember how Dan howled with incredulity when Jerry Angelo said a big part of his offseason was to find undrafted free agents? Would replacing your middle linebacker not constitute a big part of your offseason? Uh oh! |
Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Mar 20, 2013 11:24 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
sinicalypse wrote: Dave In Champaign wrote: Sir asked Dan where he was planning on finding said (presumptive) Stud, but he didn't push that hard and the whole thing kind of died. IIRC, didn't Dan retort with saying that you can get an Undrafted Free Agent who can "easily replace" Urlacher? Then there was some trepidation that other people would have a crack at getting those UFAs and a mention about how the Bears are proactive in having their annual tryouts at RB/WR/K to make sure their contingency plans are in place should the unthinkable happen and Olindo Mare's services are needed. There was an UDFA LB signed in each of the last two years who started and made an impact on their team in Herzlich and Burfict. Bears had a need for LB depth in each of those years but didn't find either of these guys. |
Author: | Mini Ditka [ Wed Mar 20, 2013 3:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
No Clever Moniker wrote: As a final note: Remember that Urlacher started the season without a training camp and not in great condition, having just had surgery. He played his way into shape but wasn't the player of old. An offseason of conditioning may return him to some form of himself, not 100% but if he can be 80% that would probably be better than any point last season, and good enough for one more year. Didn't Urlacher need knee surgery and he didn't get any procedure done till right before training camp? Wasn't there something about him going to Europe to get a procedure done? |
Author: | pittmike [ Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
Per Bernsie and twitter he gone. |
Author: | Scorehead [ Wed Mar 20, 2013 5:34 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Bernstein Is Right About Urlacher |
Phil Emery got rid of the 2 biggest jagoffs on the Bears. Many veterans who are demoted become negative malcontents & Urlacher certainly might have done the same. Urlacher was a great player for the Bears & a sure HOF'er, but he is done. I like the cut of Phil Emery's gib...a lot. |
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