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Author: | conns7901 [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:47 am ] |
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Should be interesting. Or not. Ill probably listen on my way home from practice. Bernstein: Cubs Culture Changing For The Better By Dan Bernstein- CBSChicago.com Senior Columnist (CBS) Public opinion matters to the Cubs in their efforts to modernize their property and stabilize their presence in Tom Ricketts’ beloved Wrigleyville. It matters more now to him, after all the good will evident on the day of his purchase was eroded by a poorly-managed grab for taxpayer dollars that crashed and burned spectacularly. It has taken years to dig out from the damage of the ill-timed, tone-deaf embarrassment, and the Cubs have moved actively to get better at politics just as they are trying to get the baseball part right. The hiring of the experienced, well-connected Julian Green was a start, and the new VP of Communications and Community Affairs has helped polish and tighten the organization’s message while playing a key role in smoothing the relationship with the mayor’s office. Just as significant is a new understanding of what their customers actually want. We have seen the made-for-TV optics of Ricketts shaking hands with fans at games, sleeves rolled up, among the people. But underneath that cosmetic effort to get anecdotal feedback is real intelligence-gathering, as the Cubs have used surveys and keener monitoring of media both social and traditional to get a truer picture of their modern fan. Throughout the efforts to strike the renovation deal with the city, they have tried to remain as aware as possible of the sentiments toward the various players, and have acted based on that information. That’s why Ricketts spoke of “the high road” when asked about the stunt of a proposal floated by Rosemont. It’s not that he isn’t smart enough to understand the concept of leverage, it’s that he never wanted to look for it. His choice was to look at longer-term perception of his family’s role as stewards of a public trust, rather than carpetbaggers trying to squeeze every other party for the best deal. That’s why the increasingly-desperate cries from the rooftop owners are going utterly unrecognized, and they have been kept away from any actual negotiations. The Cubs now know that the tables have turned – where the rooftop businesses once represented the little guy standing up to the monolithic Tribune Company, they now are seen as poachers who have been selling someone else’s product. And that’s why the team shrewdly avoided showing pictures of the proposed video board at the Cubs Convention. They know that the silly annual gathering of out-of-town rubes, local wackos and elderly sentimentalists was the wrong place to come clean on their forward thinking. The crowd there has ceased to be anything close to an accurate picture of the fan base, if it ever was at all, so the smart move was to roll out the modernization plan to the known mainstream instead of the fringe. Listen for how often Ricketts explains the video board in terms of what the fan wants, not what he or the Cubs want. He’s not lying, and not speaking without having consulted real data. The giant screen will happen because the Cubs fan – that stereotypically traditionalist Luddite – wants it to happen. Amazing though it may seem, that fan wants not only the improved, better-informed gameday experience, but totally understands how increased revenues can better the chances of winning something meaningful. There will be grousing from the vocal minority, of course, and it will be amplified by media looking to cast well-worn roles in the drama. But for every Uncle Ed who complains, there are two or three Gen-Xers or Millennials ready to embrace it. Remember: Uncle Ed moaned about night games in 1988. It will be different. It will look a little strange at first, and then everyone will get used to it. Soon after, many will wonder how there was ever a time without it. It looks like both Wrigley Field and the fans who attend games are starting to get brighter. |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:51 am ] |
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Ouch. Good luck with this one today, fellas. |
Author: | Terry's Peeps [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:51 am ] |
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STOP ATTACKING THE CUBS! |
Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 10:54 am ] |
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Oh I hate this narrative... Cub fans are dumb because there are a lot of Bros/pink hats that go to games and yell CUBBIES! It's because it's a drinking event and usual a day drinking event. It has nothing to do with the team. These people are 'fans' of day drinking and really in the grand scheme of things who the fuck isnt. |
Author: | Rod [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:01 am ] |
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dan bernstein wrote: They know that the silly annual gathering of out-of-town rubes, local wackos and elderly sentimentalists was the wrong place to come clean on their forward thinking. That's right. Fuck the fans who actually care enough to buy ticktets and chase fantasy money from those who don't and won't, no matter what they tell you on some "survey". "Uh, yeah, I listen to Wally Phillips." |
Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:05 am ] |
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conns7901 wrote: The hiring of the experienced, well-connected Julian Green was a start, and the new VP of Communications and Community Affairs has helped polish and tighten the organization’s message while playing a key role in smoothing the relationship with the mayor’s office.] That, right there, discredits everything else written in the essay. Did the past six months really seem like a polished and tight message delivered by a smooth insider? There were giant but very basic political missteps that caused this thing to play out poorly in the public and ended with the Cubs having to foot the bill for something which they hoped to have publicly funded. This was a disaster for the Cubs. They've only reached an agreement to agree so far, it has been delayed over a year beyond expectations and the cost to them has probably doubled. I love watching when Dan thinks he knows anything about political manuevers. |
Author: | Rod [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:08 am ] |
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good dolphin wrote: I love watching when Dan thinks he knows anything about political manuevers. Yeah, he has no fucking clue about Chicago or how things work. But that shouldn't be a surprise. We're talking about a guy who doesn't understand the custom of laying one's cash on the bar. Who the fuck is Julian Green? dan talks about him like this guy is some heavy chinaman. He doesn't have as much juice as one of Mell's precinct captains. |
Author: | Kirkwood [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:09 am ] |
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Hank Scorpio wrote: It's because it's a drinking event and usual a day drinking event. It has nothing to do with the team. These people are 'fans' of day drinking and really in the grand scheme of things who the fuck isnt. Amen. Day drinking kicks ass. |
Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:11 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: good dolphin wrote: I love watching when Dan thinks he knows anything about political manuevers. Yeah, he has no fucking clue about Chicago or how things work. But that shouldn't be a surprise. We're talking about a guy who doesn't understand the custom of laying one's cash on the bar. Who the fuck is Julian Green? dan talks about him like this guy is some heavy chinaman. He doesn't have as much juice as one of Mell's precinct captains. Two years ago he was trumpting the hiring of Epstien as the key to getting this deal done with a hint to it being due to their ethnic heritage. I don't think Theo played any role in these negotiations. |
Author: | Curious Hair [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:13 am ] |
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Quote: That’s why Ricketts spoke of “the high road” when asked about the stunt of a proposal floated by Rosemont. It’s not that he isn’t smart enough to understand the concept of leverage, it’s that he never wanted to look for it. His choice was to look at longer-term perception of his family’s role as stewards of a public trust, rather than carpetbaggers trying to squeeze every other party for the best deal. And yet Dan was howling about how terrible they were for not trying to squeeze every other party. Now that it was based in "intelligence-gathering," though, it's okay. Hey, intelligence! I'm smart and stuff! And yeah, lol on Julian Green adding his tightness, smoothness, and ostensibly his innate sense of rhythm. News to me! |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:13 am ] |
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It matters more now to him, after all the good will evident on the day of his purchase was eroded by a poorly-managed grab for taxpayer dollars that crashed and burned spectacularly. It has taken years to dig out from the damage of the ill-timed, tone-deaf embarrassment, and the Cubs have moved actively to get better at politics just as they are trying to get the baseball part right. Wasnt that the reason they hired Theo? Because Theo and Rahm were gonna get together and close this deal? Changed his tune a bit. EDIT: dolphin beat me to it |
Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:13 am ] |
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...because they're both Jewish. |
Author: | Rod [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:14 am ] |
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Curious Hair wrote: And yeah, lol on Julian Green adding his tightness, smoothness, and ostensibly his innate sense of rhythm. News to me! I hear he has a hell of a cross-over too. |
Author: | Curious Hair [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:15 am ] |
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Yeah, he should be bred with Theo to create the ultimate executive. The Original Kid Cairo wrote: ...because they're both Jewish. Spiegel was pretty upset by that assertion, if I remember correctly. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:16 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: good dolphin wrote: I love watching when Dan thinks he knows anything about political manuevers. Yeah, he has no fucking clue about Chicago or how things work. But that shouldn't be a surprise. We're talking about a guy who doesn't understand the custom of laying one's cash on the bar. Who the fuck is Julian Green? dan talks about him like this guy is some heavy chinaman. He doesn't have as much juice as one of Mell's precinct captains. He's was President Obama's press secratary when he was a senator. I was shocked to find out he isnt jewish. At least, I dont think he is. |
Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:17 am ] |
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Julian Green is so connected that he didn't get a plum role at the white house after his guy got elected. Press secretary for a half term junior senator who got into office by way of other's largesse...that's huge....Anybody happen to know Mark Kirk's press secretary? |
Author: | Rod [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:18 am ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: Wasnt that the reason they hired Theo? Because Theo and Rahm were gonna get together and close this deal? The J-ew (Theo) is using the American Negro (Julian Green) as muscle against you (the Lakeview resident). |
Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:20 am ] |
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Curious Hair wrote: Yeah, he should be bred with Theo to create the ultimate executive. The Original Kid Cairo wrote: ...because they're both Jewish. Spiegel was pretty upset by that assertion, if I remember correctly. Among other things, the kick in the balls about the "back of the synogogue" thinking is that the Cubs already had a well thought of jewish executive with some political capital in Mike Lufrano....but savvy Dan wouldn't have known he was jewish because his last name is Italian. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:21 am ] |
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Why dont we just bring in Woody Allen and Mel Brooks? |
Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:22 am ] |
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Hey, Fritzy is connected, Miller vp of community relations. The Cubs should hire him to get this deal finalized. |
Author: | Rod [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:29 am ] |
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good dolphin wrote: Hey, Fritzy is connected, Miller vp of community relations. The Cubs should hire him to get this deal finalized. I'm sure the bane of Fritzy's existence is that he can't get Miller in the park or in Murphy's. |
Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:31 am ] |
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The more I think about that statement the more I say "the fuck". Green wasn't even the political director during Obama's run for the US Senate as that was Axelrod. He was a guy who spent 90% of his time in washington after all the heavy lifting was complete. Then, when his boss began running for higher office after a year, he wasn't the political director during that campaign. So he and Emmanuel had very little communication. He has had very little communication with other local power brokers. Yet, this was the clout that got the deal done. I am shocked at the amount Dan relies on authority for a guy who made his way in this industry as the guy who questioned authority. Watch who you are calling rube Bernstien because there are some fingers pointing at you. |
Author: | Phil McCracken [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:34 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: We're talking about a guy who doesn't understand the custom of laying one's cash on the bar. He seriously doesn't understand this? |
Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:37 am ] |
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good dolphin wrote: The more I think about that statement the more I say "the fuck". Green wasn't even the political director during Obama's run for the US Senate as that was Axelrod. He was a guy who spent 90% of his time in washington after all the heavy lifting was complete. Then, when his boss began running for higher office after a year, he wasn't the political director during that campaign. So he and Emmanuel had very little communication. He has had very little communication with other local power brokers. Yet, this was the clout that got the deal done. I am shocked at the amount Dan relies on authority for a guy who made his way in this industry as the guy who questioned authority. Watch who you are calling rube Bernstien because there are some fingers pointing at you. I'll pay you 5 American dollars to call B&B and have this discussion with them. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:38 am ] |
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: good dolphin wrote: The more I think about that statement the more I say "the fuck". Green wasn't even the political director during Obama's run for the US Senate as that was Axelrod. He was a guy who spent 90% of his time in washington after all the heavy lifting was complete. Then, when his boss began running for higher office after a year, he wasn't the political director during that campaign. So he and Emmanuel had very little communication. He has had very little communication with other local power brokers. Yet, this was the clout that got the deal done. I am shocked at the amount Dan relies on authority for a guy who made his way in this industry as the guy who questioned authority. Watch who you are calling rube Bernstien because there are some fingers pointing at you. I'll pay you 5 American dollars to call B&B and have this discussion with them. Dismissed as a racist hater of Obama with a "He's taking our JOBS" for good measure. he wouldnt get to the third sentence |
Author: | Rod [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:39 am ] |
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It's funny because dan obviously thinks Ricketts is a fool for retaining Kenney, and yet, he lauds him as a genius for the the hiring of Theo Epstein and Julian Green. Hey dan, some of us haven't forgotten those halcyon days when Wally Hayward was a Really Smart Guy. You know, before he wasn't. Tom Ricketts doesn't know who the fuck to hire and danny bernstein wouldn't know the difference if he did. |
Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:40 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: It's funny because dan obviously thinks Ricketts is a fool for retaining Kenney, and yet, he lauds him as a genius for the the hiring of Theo Epstein and Julian Green. Hey dan, some of us haven't forgotten those halcyon days when Wally Hayward was a Really Smart Guy. You know, before he wasn't. Tom Ricketts doesn't know who the fuck to hire and danny bernstein wouldn't know the difference if he did. BESIDE. THE. LECTERN. |
Author: | Curious Hair [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:41 am ] |
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good dolphin wrote: I am shocked at the amount Dan relies on authority for a guy who made his way in this industry as the guy who questioned authority. Yeah, that's a big way that the show lost me. These days it's hard to feel like you're "in on it" when you're not a powerful executive nor a billionaire. |
Author: | good dolphin [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:44 am ] |
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Now, I admittedly know nothing about the inner workings of this deal, but it sure seems that Crane Kenney and not Julian Green, is internally considered the architect of this...well, whatever it is that they have....and really all they have is a statement of understanding. Kenney seems to be who they proffer as the face on this. There's no way you'll get a "really smart people" column about Kenney. |
Author: | Rod [ Wed Apr 17, 2013 11:49 am ] |
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good dolphin wrote: Now, I admittedly know nothing about the inner workings of this deal, but it sure seems that Crane Kenney and not Julian Green, is internally considered the architect of this...well, whatever it is that they have....and really all they have is a statement of understanding. Nope. Kenney has an IQ of 56 and is wandering the hallways of the Cubs executive suites drooling upon the full Cubs uniform he is wearing. Julian Green is cracking open forties of malt liquor and breaking challah with Rahm Emanuel to get the job done. |
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