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| Author: | No Clever Moniker [ Wed May 15, 2013 11:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | What tonight's anticipated Bulls loss will hopefully bring.. |
First, a desperately needed respite from the daily Rose talk. Since early March, shortly after writing a blog giving reasons why Rose didn't need to come back this season, the daily talk has been dominated by why Rose should come back to play. Neither side has handled this "much ado about nothing" well, allowing a molehill sentiment to become a mountain of blather to fill the sports talk airwaves. The Bulls should have issued a firm statement instead of the daily drip, drip, drip of "he might play." Rose's camp could have been far more definitive at several junctures by making declarative statements better than "only god knows" when he will return. A simple "I'm not ready yet but I'm working hard" would have been a repeatable mantra that would have kept this a non-story. Secondly, with the end of the season will come the end of the lazy radio that has been foisted upon the listeners. Not unlike the idiots with the massive bass sound systems in their cars who drive around making noise as a pretext to listening to their "music." These two have banged the Rose drum daily not to further a discussion but to make noise to suit their agenda. Bernstein writes a blog in February that many can embrace, and then two weeks later they flip the show 180 just to go against the conventional thought. It has been lazy radio because despite hammering Rose they have yet to bring on one single knowledgeable, objective voice to support their contention. They haven't had a single exptert (M.D.) who has come on as a guest to support their claims on Rose. They haven't had a single working local media person who has both observed Rose in practice and agreed with their position on Rose. Sure, there have been a few who have flirted with their position by writing a column, but invariably they have all backtracked or backed down from the position these two have been hammering. How about another player or former player to agree with what they've been saying? They have had two months to produce one knowledgeable or learned source to agree with what they've said, and they have failed. National media, they get snippets of information that when pressed further they either temper their remarks or state that they don't know first hand (Steve Kerr). One or two others have made claims but they seem to either get a bit of information wrong or embellish what they are told (Gregg Doyel), and thus undermine their credibility. I can undertand why they haven't spoken to the original source to the information plant, Melissa Isaacson, because she works for the big-boy network. But Isaacson hasn't been quoted any further on this story either, why is that.? It is no secret that the Sun-Times Ricks have taken a few potshots at them over the past few weeks, as though to point out that the truth isn't being told on 670 in the afternoons. The response by Bernstein has been his admonition to "pick up the phone and talk to someone." Ok, fair enough but why is it that in two months they haven't had one person who is willing to talk? And it wouldn't be so bad except that having converted a significant portion of their audience to buying in to what they've been promoting, they don't like taking callers who agree with their position. Buy into what they've been saying and call in, and they can't contain their contempt towads your obvious ignorance by having been duped by them. With this anticipated loss we can be spared the disingenous bullshit that the Bulls organization is perfectly orchestrating their public message. We can stop hearing how despite the impassioned post-game responses of players regarding the Rose situation, that they are just staying on point with the organization's message. Clearly, someone is lying. Someone with the Bulls must be lying. Because how can they have a perfect message and yet only Bernstein can get a message that is counter to the organization? At the least, a loss tonight will allow the discussion to hopefully transition away from Rose and towards their belief that there are now three teams from the western conference that are blocking the Bulls' chanpionship aspirations. How despite their great admiration for Coach Thibs, the front office, and the organization, the Bulls still don't stand a chance of winning a chamnpionship any time soon. We can move on to how nothing impresses Boers enough to want to watch, but how he's watched everything and he's certain of what the Bulls can't achieve. Lose tonight and tomorrow there will hopefully be something, anything, new to talk about. |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Wed May 15, 2013 11:55 am ] |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Wed May 15, 2013 11:58 am ] |
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Paterno died, Sandusky went to jail, and they still were obsessed. Hopefully for the people that still listen, it will end when the Bulls season does. Somehow I doubt it. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed May 15, 2013 12:06 pm ] |
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M&H are much worse. They talk up these games like they have some relevance. |
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| Author: | Harry Seaward [ Wed May 15, 2013 12:18 pm ] |
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Are you talking about B&B, or some other show? You think that the Bulls packing their bags for the summer will result in Dan (and puppy dog Terry) ending Bulls/Rose talk? Hah! "So we all saw this coming, right? What I'm hearing from my source is that the Bulls actually KNEW that Rose was never coming back this year.....so let's painstakingly go back through a chronological breakdown of everything said leading up the the playoffs to prove how big of a liar Rose and his brother were...blah blah blah." It won't die. They won't let it. There will be lots of screaming about how no one ever asked the right questions during press conferences and interviews (and how, when Dan was a reporter, all he knows is that he tried to ask such questions....and how, when Terry was a columnist, he...well, you get the point), and lots of "let's go back and look at WHAT. THEY. SAID. AND. WHEN. THEY. SAID. IT." They will also revisit their "epic" battle with Whitlock, reading multiple emails stating just how right they were. The Sox blow, the Cubs are the Cubs, and they need to stop/no start talking hockey..............but one thing is for sure, they will grind down any semi-sports related story to the nub if it contains any sort of gossipy, TMZ-like flavor. That's Terry's favorite thing, and gives Dan a fantastic pedestal to perch himself on top of, screaming down to the idiots who just. don't. get. it. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Wed May 15, 2013 12:42 pm ] |
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give me an honest answer guys, am I that wordy? |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Wed May 15, 2013 12:42 pm ] |
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i would rather talk about derrick rose every hour for the rest of the summer then i would want to spend one minute talking baseball. |
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| Author: | Seacrest [ Wed May 15, 2013 12:46 pm ] |
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good dolphin wrote: give me an honest answer guys, am I that wordy? No |
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| Author: | SHARK [ Wed May 15, 2013 1:08 pm ] |
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denisdman wrote: Paterno died, Sandusky went to jail, and they still were obsessed. Hopefully for the people that still listen, it will end when the Bulls season does. Somehow I doubt it. Speaking of the Penn State story, did you see what Matt Abbatacola Tweeted last night? Matty Tweeted that some PSU grads thought Jerry Sandusky was framed (?) & Mike McQueary was part of it...I can't make this stuff up. |
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| Author: | bigfan [ Wed May 15, 2013 2:52 pm ] |
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Derrick then needs to answer if he will be back. Considering every media member is scared to upset Camp Rose and actually ask him if Next year he will play. There was a time that the Score served this purpose. No longer. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed May 15, 2013 2:54 pm ] |
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bigfan wrote: There was a time that the Score served this purpose. No longer. Do you think this just evolved that way or is it a directive from CBS? |
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| Author: | IkeSouth [ Thu May 16, 2013 6:31 am ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: bigfan wrote: There was a time that the Score served this purpose. No longer. Do you think this just evolved that way or is it a directive from CBS? cbs. everything changed. you cant even say asswipe on air. communist broadcasting system. |
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| Author: | good dolphin [ Thu May 16, 2013 7:05 am ] |
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IkeSouth wrote: Hatchetman wrote: bigfan wrote: There was a time that the Score served this purpose. No longer. Do you think this just evolved that way or is it a directive from CBS? cbs. everything changed. you cant even say asswipe on air. communist broadcasting system. I think it happened before cbs. The on air talent became desirous of having personal relationships with players of the past and present and toned down their criticism. I think North was the most obvious offender. While they do not seem to seek those relationships any longer (Sir and The Bear Whisperer excluded) they have entirely forgotten how to be the voice of the fans. |
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| Author: | Old Man River [ Thu May 16, 2013 9:29 am ] |
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Do Dan & Terry even want to be the voice of the fan? |
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| Author: | Dallas Winston [ Thu May 16, 2013 11:40 am ] |
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Old Man River wrote: Do Dan & Terry even want to be the voice of the fan? No. They are above "Joe 6 Pack". They want to teach the dumb fan about life. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Thu May 16, 2013 12:27 pm ] |
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I wonder how they are going to spin the fact that an undermanned Bulls team gave the Miami Heat a little bit of a push. Considering all that the Bulls were missing during the series it is very much conceivable that a healthy Bulls team could have taken the Heat. It is extremely hypothetical but high plausible yet it will given very little credence on the show. They will provide the very canned, typical the Heat were simply disinterested junk that they usually provide. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Thu May 16, 2013 1:47 pm ] |
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It did not take long to hear about the disinterest of the Heat. This show has become extremely predictable. Once the callers state how the Heat were trailing at the start of the fourth they will be shouted down. One of the reasons that the ESPN guys have more credibility is because they have real analysts and not guys that merely read blogs and twitter. There are a lot of people including (Sam Smith) who believe that a healthy Bulls team would beat the Heat. I wonder why they never tend to schedule these people as guests. I believe that they would get somewhat exposed for the frauds that they truly are. |
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| Author: | long time guy [ Thu May 16, 2013 2:12 pm ] |
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This is a stupid argument. The reason that people are celebrating the Bulls is because they were severely undermanned. They are speaking of the Bulls as though they had their full unit. They made it to the second round of the playoffs without 3 of their opening day starters and the guy who was projected to be the first person off the bench. They speak of the Heat as this insurmountable obstacle and that is not the case. There are a lot of people around the NBA who believe that this the last shot that the Heat may have. They look at an obviously aging and battered Dwayne Wade and believe that this is it for the Heat. |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Thu May 16, 2013 2:16 pm ] |
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long time guy wrote: This is a stupid argument. The reason that people are celebrating the Bulls is because they were severely undermanned. They are speaking of the Bulls as though they had their full unit. They made it to the second round of the playoffs without 3 of their opening day starters and the guy who was projected to be the first person off the bench. They speak of the Heat as this insurmountable obstacle and that is not the case. There are a lot of people around the NBA who believe that this the last shot that the Heat may have. They look at an obviously aging and battered Dwayne Wade and believe that this is it for the Heat. Yeah, Miami is a flawed team. Certainly far from the seemingly invincible 2011 and 2012 teams that had all three Big 3's playing at a high level. As someone posted last week, Miami is now just Lebron surrounded by a decent supporting cast. There is no actual Miami "Big 3" anymore. A team with Derrick Rose and a second star could win the East right now. It won't be Chicago (there won't be a second star), but I think Miami's window has narrowed and will become considerably more narrow after this season. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu May 16, 2013 2:42 pm ] |
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: long time guy wrote: This is a stupid argument. The reason that people are celebrating the Bulls is because they were severely undermanned. They are speaking of the Bulls as though they had their full unit. They made it to the second round of the playoffs without 3 of their opening day starters and the guy who was projected to be the first person off the bench. They speak of the Heat as this insurmountable obstacle and that is not the case. There are a lot of people around the NBA who believe that this the last shot that the Heat may have. They look at an obviously aging and battered Dwayne Wade and believe that this is it for the Heat. Yeah, Miami is a flawed team. Certainly far from the seemingly invincible 2011 and 2012 teams that had all three Big 3's playing at a high level. As someone posted last week, Miami is now just Lebron surrounded by a decent supporting cast. There is no actual Miami "Big 3" anymore. A team with Derrick Rose and a second star could win the East right now. It won't be Chicago (there won't be a second star), but I think Miami's window has narrowed and will become considerably more narrow after this season. Yeah, but then Wade shows flashes. But I agree with both of you. Miami is nowhere near unbeatable. The Big 3 are what 6-5 in the finals |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Thu May 16, 2013 2:46 pm ] |
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I'd even go so far as to say that the 2008 Celtics were far more talented top to bottom than any of these Miami teams. Some people have placed Miami on too high of a pedestal. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu May 16, 2013 2:50 pm ] |
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: I'd even go so far as to say that the 2008 Celtics were far more talented top to bottom than any of these Miami teams. Ya know what would be a great all time fantasy matchup? The Shaq-Kobe Lakers vs this Heat team. Contrasting styles, Strong Personalities. Would be great theater. Fuck, Shaq's interviews would be worth it alone. Can you imagine what he'd say about Chris Anderson if he were competing against him in the finals? |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Thu May 16, 2013 3:06 pm ] |
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Yeah. That would be really entertaining, but this Heat team would win no more than two games. Shaq was just beast mode. That's one example of Lebron not being able to guard all five positions. Best teams of my lifetime (that I can actually remember): 1986 Celtics 1987 Lakers 1991 Bulls 1993 Suns 1994 Rockets 1996 Bulls 2001 Lakers 2008 Celtics 2012 Heat |
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| Author: | Dallas Winston [ Thu May 16, 2013 3:09 pm ] |
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Yeah. That would be really entertaining, but this Heat team would win no more than two games. Shaq was just beast mode. That's one example of Lebron not being able to guard all five positions. Best teams of my lifetime (that I can actually remember): 1986 Celtics 1987 Lakers 1991 Bulls 1993 Suns 1994 Rockets 1996 Bulls 2001 Lakers 2008 Celtics 2012 Heat Kid do you think if Jordan wasn't suspen....err retired, that they would've beat that Rockets team? I say Bulls in a tough 7 game series. |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Thu May 16, 2013 3:14 pm ] |
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Dallas Winston wrote: Kid do you think if Jordan wasn't suspen....err retired, that they would've beat that Rockets team? I say Bulls in a tough 7 game series. That would have been such a great series. It's hard to say. I'd like to think that the Bulls would win, but my gut tells me that Houston would have won in 7. The one thing the Bulls never faced in a Finals series was a dominant center. It doesn't get much better than Hakeem in his MVP year. He was the best player on the planet that year, no disrespect to Scottie. Not sure if the Bulls would have had an answer for them. |
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| Author: | Dallas Winston [ Thu May 16, 2013 3:16 pm ] |
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Dallas Winston wrote: Kid do you think if Jordan wasn't suspen....err retired, that they would've beat that Rockets team? I say Bulls in a tough 7 game series. That would have been such a great series. It's hard to say. I'd like to think that the Bulls would win, but my gut tells me that Houston would have won in 7. The one thing the Bulls never faced in a Finals series was a dominant center. It doesn't get much better than Hakeem in his MVP year. He was the best player on the planet that year, no disrespect to Scottie. Not sure if the Bulls would have had an answer for them. That's true. And at any given point Hakeem can be in my top 5 ever. I still remember him schooling David Robinson. So damn good. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu May 16, 2013 3:17 pm ] |
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Dallas Winston wrote: Kid do you think if Jordan wasn't suspen....err retired, that they would've beat that Rockets team? I say Bulls in a tough 7 game series. That would have been such a great series. It's hard to say. I'd like to think that the Bulls would win, but my gut tells me that Houston would have won in 7. The one thing the Bulls never faced in a Finals series was a dominant center. It doesn't get much better than Hakeem in his MVP year. He was the best player on the planet that year, no disrespect to Scottie. Not sure if the Bulls would have had an answer for them. This is some Jordan Superman stuff. But I think Jordan retiring changed a few things. Who knows if the Rockets would have put the team together like they did or how it affected other teams confidence. I imagine Ewing was really excited |
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| Author: | The Original Kid Cairo [ Thu May 16, 2013 3:23 pm ] |
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rogers park bryan wrote: This is some Jordan Superman stuff. But I think Jordan retiring changed a few things. Who knows if the Rockets would have put the team together like they did or how it affected other teams confidence. I imagine Ewing was really excited Absolutely. So were the Cavs. I just think that the West was so much better than the East that year, it's hard for me to think the '94 Bulls with Jordan could have beaten Houston, Phoenix, or Utah. |
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