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| Author: | sinicalypse [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:12 am ] |
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Uh oh.... breaking news from the official show twitter: Boers and Bernstein @Boers_Bernstein 2m Report: Vanderbilt football player allowed teammates to rape his girlfriend http://cbsloc.al/16qYLKk That's right, if you thought the show wasn't rapey/moral-compass-y enough.... well just you wait as Dan Bernstein takes on the rape culture today at approximately 1:30pm! |
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| Author: | Dallas Winston [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:15 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/10 - Grab your soapbox; it's laundry time! |
Oh sweet Jeebus!
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:16 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/10 - Grab your soapbox; it's laundry time! |
I just don't get how stuff like that happens. You are given a free ride and playing College sports. It's a privlege and then you act like an animal?? Sick. OK,that is all you can say about that but it will take Bernstein 4 hours. |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:16 am ] |
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sinicalypse wrote: Uh oh.... breaking news from the official show twitter: Boers and Bernstein @Boers_Bernstein 2m Report: Vanderbilt football player allowed teammates to rape his girlfriend http://cbsloc.al/16qYLKk That's right, if you thought the show wasn't rapey/moral-compass-y enough.... well just you wait as Dan Bernstein takes on the rape culture today at approximately 1:30pm! I bet intrepid journalist, Dan BernSTINE, can't wait to have Cutler and Hunter Hillenmeyer on the show to ask them how they could be associated with something like this and why didn't they ever do anything to stop it! Edward R. BernSTINE wrote: I will never stop, JAY, NEVER, until I get to the bottom of this. You HEAR me?
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/10 - Grab your soapbox; it's laundry time! |
It would be stupid to blame this on college sports though since Vanderbilt is run completely different than just about any other major college sports program. They don't even have an athletic department. If anything, it shows how stupid it is to link the "culture" of college sports to felonies. |
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| Author: | sinicalypse [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:24 am ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: If anything, it shows how stupid it is to link the "culture" of college sports to felonies. Nuh uh.... it's omerta. Ask Dan's new column over @ http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/07/10/ ... never-say/ "What A Coach Would Never Say" By Dan Bernstein- CBSChicago.com Senior Columnist (CBS) In the wake of Aaron Hernandez’s arrest for murder, his now well-publicized history of violent outbursts and connections to previous crimes have raised questions about what his coaches knew about him, and whether or not they cared. Urban Meyer was defiant, lashing out at those who would blame him as an enabler. Patriots owner Robert Kraft drew groans of disbelief when he claimed that “Our whole organization has been duped.” And Bill Belichick has been unavailable for comment while vacationing in Italy. Here is what a brutally honest, self-aware former coach could really say, if unburdened of legal ramifications, unconcerned about future job prospects, and free of the powerful omerta that rules the subculture of the game. * * * No, I’m not surprised. Sad and disappointed, sure, but I’m not stupid. Of course I was worried that he was capable of this. The concern never went away, it just diffused over time like it always does. It never was really something I thought about amid the day-to-day routine, but we knew what we were dealing with when we decided to bring him in. I knew. How could I not? We looked at everything, talked to people who know him, got all the reports. But you should have seen this kid move. Big, fast, fluid…just seeing his workouts had x’s and o’s crackling in my head, seeing matchup wins all over the field against man or zone. You find a way to rationalize the rest of it, justify the bad stuff as correctible, or merely a thing of the past. And he’s not the first, believe me. At this level we are involved with some dangerous people, and that’s the plain truth. I spout all kinds of cheesy slogans about football family, codes of honor, or the proud traditional ways of our organization, but that just makes people feel like something more important or noble is going on. I guess all the empty rhetoric helps me be less anxious about it, too. I start to believe that stuff after a while, and it makes it easier. Whenever I need immediate shelter from negative press about a troubled player, though, I merely invoke religion. Nothing soothes the masses like talk of bible study or prayer, deflecting attention from police reports. It’s amazing how eagerly people eat that stuff up, and it never fails to buy time until things blow over. Instead of just a guy with a whistle and a clipboard, I’m a shepherd of men on a path to a divine life. Or something. But it works, here. I’d be lying if I told you I was thinking about anybody else when the home phone would ring late at night, or too early in the morning. In the stillness of those hours, removed from the organized chaos of drills and meetings, my mind would picture bad things completely beyond my immediate control. There was nothing but relief when even a minor crisis involved another player, instead. I have a well-practiced understanding with my assistants, too. As ironic as it is for a pathological control-freak like I am, there are things I don’t need to know. There is so much I don’t want to know. Not just for any kind of plausible deniability, but to keep me from going crazy confronting the disquieting duality of my work. Despite all the grandiosity that surrounds my job — the ridiculous money, the inflated significance, the unhealthy place this all has in people’s lives – I’m just a football coach, and nothing more. What matters to me is winning, and I am forced to compartmentalize everything else in that pursuit. When it comes to choosing players strong and fast enough to help me succeed, I will always need to make questionable compromises, tell half-truths and sadly, potentially imperil innocent people in our community. Our fans now – conveniently, after the fact — say they want me to care about quality of character, but that’s the last thing they want. They want me to win championships, and I am doing my damnedest to get that done, in all that may mean. If we lose games, I get fired, and my family goes with me. I end up as a coordinator in Saskatchewan or coaching some smaller college where I fight with the AD over budgeting for a new blocking sled. If we win big, I’m paid to speak at conventions, putting my name on steakhouses and posing in a dark suit for the cover of my book that offers useless football banalities as some kind of primer on your business. I will always need some rough customers to be good at my job. I will tell everyone otherwise, wrapping the whole endeavor in glory and God because that’s the unspoken agreement with people whose entire self-worth is connected to the fortunes of a football team. I know what this all is, and I know what I do. I have to live with that, and it is a conscious choice I have made to do so. It doesn’t always feel good. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/10 - Grab your soapbox; it's laundry time! |
That might be the best one he's written, which is not necessarily a huge compliment. |
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| Author: | Urlacher's missing neck [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/10 - Grab your soapbox; it's laundry time! |
Quote: Urban Meyer was defiant, lashing out at those who would blame him as an enabler And so it begins....glorious. |
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| Author: | jimmypasta [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/10 - Grab your soapbox; it's laundry time! |
Dan trying to break everything down so no matter what a coach says,he is just full of it. He does this with everything. There is some truth in there but I'm sure there are also religous men who happen to coach and believe what they say. |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/10 - Grab your soapbox; it's laundry time! |
sinicalypse wrote: Uh oh.... breaking news from the official show twitter: Boers and Bernstein @Boers_Bernstein 2m Report: Vanderbilt football player allowed teammates to rape his girlfriend http://cbsloc.al/16qYLKk That's right, if you thought the show wasn't rapey/moral-compass-y enough.... well just you wait as Dan Bernstein takes on the rape culture today at approximately 1:30pm! Not a hell of a lot of details in that "story". I'll wait to hear more before I decide to burn these guys at the stake. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/10 - Grab your soapbox; it's laundry time! |
Okay, I'm going to ask a question that is probably controversial. Assuming a woman isn't stone cold passed out but just drunk and then regretful after the fact, why do we call that a rape? The philosophy seems to be that a drunken woman is not responsible for her actions. I have no problem if that is our societal viewpoint on drunkenness. But if that is the case, then driving drunk should not be the capital crime it has become. After all, a drunk isn't responsible for his or her actions, right? Or we could just stop acting as if women are children. |
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| Author: | redskingreg [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:35 am ] |
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Hank Scorpio wrote: sinicalypse wrote: Uh oh.... breaking news from the official show twitter: Boers and Bernstein @Boers_Bernstein 2m Report: Vanderbilt football player allowed teammates to rape his girlfriend http://cbsloc.al/16qYLKk That's right, if you thought the show wasn't rapey/moral-compass-y enough.... well just you wait as Dan Bernstein takes on the rape culture today at approximately 1:30pm! Not a hell of a lot of details in that "story". I'll wait to hear more before I decide to burn these guys at the stake. That's not the Bernstein. Guilty until proven guiltier. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 7/10 - Grab your soapbox; it's laundry time! |
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: But if that is the case, then driving drunk should not be the capital crime it has become. After all, a drunk isn't responsible for his or her actions, right? Did you just make that up?Drunk driving is a crime BECAUSE a drunk is responsible for his or her actions. |
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| Author: | sinicalypse [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:39 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Okay, I'm going to ask a question that is probably controversial. Assuming a woman isn't stone cold passed out but just drunk and then regretful after the fact, why do we call that a rape? The philosophy seems to be that a drunken woman is not responsible for her actions. I have no problem if that is our societal viewpoint on drunkenness. But if that is the case, then driving drunk should not be the capital crime it has become. After all, a drunk isn't responsible for his or her actions, right? Or we could just stop acting as if women are children. You know the phrase "have your cake and eat it too?" -- Well, why the fuck else would you have cake if you weren't going to eat it? That's the issue with the feminism thing.... they wanna have their cake and eat it too, however they're in the process of rebranding that cake as a steak because they're sick of you and your patriarchal thoughts, pork chops! |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:40 am ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: But if that is the case, then driving drunk should not be the capital crime it has become. After all, a drunk isn't responsible for his or her actions, right? Did you just make that up?Drunk driving is a crime BECAUSE a drunk is responsible for his or her actions. Then when a drunken woman willingly fucks a football team it isn't a rape just because she was drunk, right? |
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| Author: | denisdman [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:42 am ] |
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I assume this will be less offensive to Bernsie because the school took action and dismissed the players. This is not a Penn State-esque cover-up/enabling job. I think many of us wonder why athletes (mainly pro football players) get into so much legal trouble. I don't know about you, but just scroll the Chicago Tribune website or the nightly news, and it seems like there is trouble everywhere. Maybe these folks have a higher per capita problem, but there is an awful lot of shootings, robberies, DUI's, and sexual misconduct in the "regular" world. |
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| Author: | Hank Scorpio [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:44 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Okay, I'm going to ask a question that is probably controversial. Assuming a woman isn't stone cold passed out but just drunk and then regretful after the fact, why do we call that a rape? The philosophy seems to be that a drunken woman is not responsible for her actions. I have no problem if that is our societal viewpoint on drunkenness. But if that is the case, then driving drunk should not be the capital crime it has become. After all, a drunk isn't responsible for his or her actions, right? Or we could just stop acting as if women are children. I get what you are saying. I dont want to label this a case of rape or a case of college slut until we get some more facts. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 11:50 am ] |
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Hank Scorpio wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Okay, I'm going to ask a question that is probably controversial. Assuming a woman isn't stone cold passed out but just drunk and then regretful after the fact, why do we call that a rape? The philosophy seems to be that a drunken woman is not responsible for her actions. I have no problem if that is our societal viewpoint on drunkenness. But if that is the case, then driving drunk should not be the capital crime it has become. After all, a drunk isn't responsible for his or her actions, right? Or we could just stop acting as if women are children. I get what you are saying. I dont want to label this a case of rape or a case of college slut until we get some more facts. Yeah, I wasn't talking about this case in particular as I know nothing about it. But I don't think fucking a drunk chick is a rape just because she was drunk. That's treating women like children. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:18 pm ] |
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: It would be stupid to blame this on college sports though since Vanderbilt is run completely different than just about any other major college sports program. They don't even have an athletic department. Oh yeah, Im sure they'll consider that and adjust their reaction accordingly |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:22 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Boilermaker Rick wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: But if that is the case, then driving drunk should not be the capital crime it has become. After all, a drunk isn't responsible for his or her actions, right? Did you just make that up?Drunk driving is a crime BECAUSE a drunk is responsible for his or her actions. Then when a drunken woman willingly fucks a football team it isn't a rape just because she was drunk, right? No, its not rape in that case and that hurts other rape victims when that happens JimmyPasta, forget having it all! I dont see how a human could want to have sex with a passed out person, much less go third or fourth Personally, I dont even see how some guys will try to get a girl durnk to fuck em. I mean, if its your gf and a couple glasses of wine makes her frisky, I see that. But to just attempt to dull the senses of a relative stranger to make them do something they probably wouldnt do sober, is ICKY to me |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:31 pm ] |
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Personally, I try to protect the weak, but that's why I didn't play football and, in fact, never amounted to much in life. 
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| Author: | sinicalypse [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:04 pm ] |
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Hmm.... does this exchange mean that Amattacola runs the B&B show twitter? Scott @JalenFrRosemont 1h @Boers_Bernstein “Something really bad happened at Michigan - just ask a former Ohio State player”” Expand Boers and Bernstein @Boers_Bernstein 14m @JalenFrRosemont It's a report. We accurately cited the source of the information. Complete transparency. Don't like what we post? Unfollow |
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| Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:12 pm ] |
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I don't think actual pathologists use the term "pathology" more than Dan Bernstein. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:15 pm ] |
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so what happened at Michigan. now I'm curious. |
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| Author: | sinicalypse [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:20 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: so what happened at Michigan. now I'm curious. the guy was referencing the fact that the story the b&b twitter linked to was an ex-tennessee volunteers QB putting out the allegations of a gangbang with vanderbilt players. the schools are rivals..... so he likened it to a michigan guy talking shit about ohio state players. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:22 pm ] |
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sinicalypse wrote: Hatchetman wrote: so what happened at Michigan. now I'm curious. the guy was referencing the fact that the story the b&b twitter linked to was an ex-tennessee volunteers QB putting out the allegations of a gangbang with vanderbilt players. the schools are rivals..... so he likened it to a michigan guy talking shit about ohio state players. Oh, OK. I get it. BTW, who were they just calling a nitwit? Phil Rogers? |
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| Author: | SpiralStairs [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:32 pm ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Okay, I'm going to ask a question that is probably controversial. Assuming a woman isn't stone cold passed out but just drunk and then regretful after the fact, why do we call that a rape? The philosophy seems to be that a drunken woman is not responsible for her actions. I have no problem if that is our societal viewpoint on drunkenness. But if that is the case, then driving drunk should not be the capital crime it has become. After all, a drunk isn't responsible for his or her actions, right? Or we could just stop acting as if women are children. If she said no then it's rape. If she didn't then it's not. Though the grey area as to whether she felt she couldn't say no, well that's just a hot mess. |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:41 pm ] |
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SpiralStairs wrote: Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Okay, I'm going to ask a question that is probably controversial. Assuming a woman isn't stone cold passed out but just drunk and then regretful after the fact, why do we call that a rape? The philosophy seems to be that a drunken woman is not responsible for her actions. I have no problem if that is our societal viewpoint on drunkenness. But if that is the case, then driving drunk should not be the capital crime it has become. After all, a drunk isn't responsible for his or her actions, right? Or we could just stop acting as if women are children. If she said no then it's rape. If she didn't then it's not. Though the grey area as to whether she felt she couldn't say no, well that's just a hot mess. Yeah. One of the last bits of advice my father gave me before heading off to college was that even if you're both drunk you need to be careful if said female is really drunk. Pretty much, if she is in the range of falling over/not able to use complete sentences you are better off not taking her home and if you do you should just sleep on the couch. I actually practiced this caution once or so, I actually slept on the floor, though. My chivalric actions got me laid later. As Spiral mentioned, that grey area is hot, hot, bad mess. |
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| Author: | Northside_Dan [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:45 pm ] |
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| Love this start to the show mocking the 911 responder |
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| Author: | SomeGuy [ Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:46 pm ] |
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Northside_Dan wrote: :lol: Love this start to the show mocking the 911 responder Explain |
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