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Some of those common friends were the types you handled carefully – the prep-school guys with seemingly endless supplies of money.

I was all ready to refute the points he was trying to make until I got to the end and couldn't find a point he was making.

When he got busted, the story got buried, reported deep in the back pages of the local paper, when such positioning mattered long ago. He also got arrested for writing a bad check to pay for booze. At one point in need of cash, he sold a warm-up jacket that he received from a preseason tournament.

I know because I bought it. Adidas. Too small for him, still way too big for me.

BeerStain's entire persona on display there /\

BooBoo just had to slip in that part of the story

It will really shock old Danny to hear that Harvard's legacy admissions aren't far above those of Chicago City Colleges...oh, and they bend the rules HEAVILY for athletes as well.

When entertainment value is low on the board, a Bernstein angle is created. This is the 2013 CSFMB.

The Original Kid Cairo wrote:

When entertainment value is low on the board, a Bernstein angle is created. This is the 2013 CSFMB.

Well, bookerman, punch us up a respectable thread or two.

Don Tiny wrote:

The Original Kid Cairo wrote:

When entertainment value is low on the board, a Bernstein angle is created. This is the 2013 CSFMB.

Well, bookerman, punch us up a respectable thread or two.

Nah, I'm well past the point where I can contribute to this board in a meaningful way. I'm more comfortable commenting on lack of quality without providing any ideas for improvement. It's just easier that way.

Don Tiny wrote:

The Original Kid Cairo wrote:

When entertainment value is low on the board, a Bernstein angle is created. This is the 2013 CSFMB.

Well, bookerman, punch us up a respectable thread or two.

When entertainment value is low on the board, a Bernstein angle is created. This is the 2013 CSFMB.

Don Tiny wrote:

The Original Kid Cairo wrote:

When entertainment value is low on the board, a Bernstein angle is created. This is the 2013 CSFMB.

Well, bookerman, punch us up a respectable thread or two.

Seems NFL season Wednesday is the new February for sports talk. Well, until the NBA season starts, for some.

veganfan21 wrote:

Seems NFL season Wednesday is the new February for sports talk. Well, until the NBA season starts, for some.

I remember when the adage used to be, "Sports radio will improve when football starts back up." It hasn't.

Don Tiny wrote:

The Original Kid Cairo wrote:

When entertainment value is low on the board, a Bernstein angle is created. This is the 2013 CSFMB.

Well, bookerman, punch us up a respectable thread or two.

Didn't he write pretty much the same column shortly after the Dukie from Crete-Monee passed away?

I know he's told all of these stories on air multiple times....none of which are newsworthy.

Yet another instance showing him to be guilty of the same laziness he lambastes in those he pretends to cover.

Regular Reader wrote:

It really is all just filler around the real story of ripping Coach K. I wonder what the full story is behind the dislike.

good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

It really is all just filler around the real story of ripping Coach K. I wonder what the full story is behind the dislike.

He was once intellectually belittled by that Weber grad.

Isn't that itself enough?

Seacrest wrote:

good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

It really is all just filler around the real story of ripping Coach K. I wonder what the full story is behind the dislike.

He was once intellectually belittled by that Weber grad.

Isn't that itself enough?

Coach K generally embraces people het meets in Durham from Chicago. Imagine the penility Bernstien must have given off to be a student looking to get into the sports media business from Chicago and still not seem to have any relationship with the guy after 4 years.

I found that story incredibly confusing to keep track of who he was talking about.

At first he's talking about a downstate Illinois guy and then it's a guy from the South Suburbs? Was that the same guy? He lost me completely.

good dolphin wrote:

Regular Reader wrote:

It really is all just filler around the real story of ripping Coach K. I wonder what the full story is behind the dislike.

He was once intellectually belittled by that Weber grad.

Isn't that itself enough?

Author:	rogers park bryan [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:55 pm ]
Post subject:	9/18 "My College Sports Reality" by Dan Bernstein
My College Sports Reality By Dan Bernstein- CBSChicago.com Senior Columnist (CBS) My classmate should never have been there. Nice enough guy, as far as I knew. We didn’t interact much, outside of my time spent covering the basketball team for the student TV station. Had a few friends in common. He was a two-sport star from downstate Illinois, opting for hoops over football. He was one third of an underwhelming trio of recruits that arrived with little fanfare, and would end up utterly forgotten in the years long after the program soared. It was easy to see in practice that he was struggling for a place. Even with his eye-popping athleticism and chiseled frame, and playing for a coach who preached defense above all, he always seemed behind. He was the last guard, and remained so until he eventually flunked out and left. The academic troubles were immediate, and exacerbated by the easy access to distractions. Some of those common friends were the types you handled carefully – the prep-school guys with seemingly endless supplies of money. Not so visible were the bad choices that begat more. He was ruled ineligible after five sophomore games and sat out the remainder of that year, the fraying connection with the team setting him on an inevitable course. He played sparingly in 18 games the next year and was gone. Few got to know him enough to miss him. Players in the class ahead of ours already were making life difficult for the coach, a typically egomaniacal, perfectionist bully intent on selling the illusion of virtue. The big man was a talented goof with a feathery touch around the rim, polished post moves, and a tendency to drive drunk. When he got busted, the story got buried, reported deep in the back pages of the local paper, when such positioning mattered long ago. He also got arrested for writing a bad check to pay for booze. At one point in need of cash, he sold a warm-up jacket that he received from a preseason tournament. I know because I bought it. Adidas. Too small for him, still way too big for me. The guard sat out almost his entire freshman year with academic problems of his own before his career stabilized, and it was a chore to keep him eligible. It came as little surprise, since a previous player recruited from the same south-suburban Chicago high school had similar problems, leaving school embittered. * * * My roommate should never have been there. He finished dead last in his high-school graduating class. It was an elite private school in central Ohio, but still 65th out of 65. No scholarship. His dad was the president and CEO of a fast-food company, and not a small one. The company’s founder happened to sit on the board of trustees, and I understood quickly how rules can be ignored when, say, applications are associated with providers of large checks. College was big business, and that lesson sunk in immediately without the usual, trite morality-play of sports. He did just fine, eventually graduating without a problem. Lived college hard, too, and swept along any of us with the energy to keep up for as long as we could, like a smiling master of ceremonies. Always surrounded by women and other intoxicants, he was a fortuitous force of nature in a freshman dorm for those of us able to disengage when it came time to work. * * * This was that time when the national media could not get enough of the fairy tale it was just starting to write about the basketball coach and his hardworking teams in their humble little arena. The crazy student fans and their nasty heckling of opponents juxtaposed with the stately gothic limestone of high academia just across the street, the chapel proudly atop a hill at the head of the cruciform campus. When I arrived, basketball was already big. I’d be lying if I said the 1986 season and the commensurate publicity had nothing to do with my desire to attend. But four Final Fours and Dick Vitale and Dick Vitale and Dick Vitale and a national championship later, it had become something else. We saw first-hand the streamlining of the academic track to smooth the bumps for those ballers not so naturally inclined. Patterns emerged in the “choice” of majors as more and more recruits were in play each year, the support system now with more resources than ever. These were smart people responsible for such things, able to learn from previous experience. I know how smart the man in charge is, because he taught me Chaucer, Milton and Donne. I saw some coincidences too, when coveted high-school stars came to visit. There always seemed to be a high-end party thrown far enough away so as not to attract too much attention, but still sufficiently accessible to advertise the proprietary wildlife to whichever future NBAer was in town. Two of note chose elsewhere, one heading just down the road and another staying at his home state school. A player’s mother happened to land a nice job in the area shortly after her son made his commitment, at a company that happened to be owned by a booster. No obvious wrongdoing, of course. All around, smart people. * * * We are weary and dubious of college sports scandal. We know, we know. We know money and drugs and sex and parties, violations and improprieties, of corners cut to make the grades, the irony of being forced to miss class while on something called scholarship, and the stark aftermath that’s possible when the machine of the major program continues to churn ahead. Of the players referenced, three are retired NBA players, one of whom is a national television broadcaster likely headed to the Hall of Fame. One died at age 44. Of the whereabouts of one I am unaware. The coach’s office is now at the top of a tower, still on the campus founded by Methodists and Quakers and endowed by money from tobacco plantations. One might mistake it for the chapel. Terry: Yep

Author:	Brick [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:05 pm ]
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I was all ready to refute the points he was trying to make until I got to the end and couldn't find a point he was making.

Author:	billypootons [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:07 pm ]
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"groundbreaking and original reporting" - nobody

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:08 pm ]
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rogers park bryan wrote: Some of those common friends were the types you handled carefully – the prep-school guys with seemingly endless supplies of money. says the guy from Deerfield with the father working for the worlds biggest law firm

Author:	Don Tiny [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:10 pm ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote: I was all ready to refute the points he was trying to make until I got to the end and couldn't find a point he was making. Good, 'cause otherwise I missed it. Unless the point was to kill a ten-minute morning shit.

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Author:	Dallas Winston [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:11 pm ]
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In other breaking news, the sky is blue.

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:18 pm ]
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It will really shock old Danny to hear that Harvard's legacy admissions aren't far above those of Chicago City Colleges...oh, and they bend the rules HEAVILY for athletes as well.

Author:	The Original Kid Cairo [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:20 pm ]
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When entertainment value is low on the board, a Bernstein angle is created. This is the 2013 CSFMB.

Author:	Don Tiny [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:35 pm ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: When entertainment value is low on the board, a Bernstein angle is created. This is the 2013 CSFMB. Well, bookerman, punch us up a respectable thread or two.

Author:	leashyourkids [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:41 pm ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Don Tiny wrote: The Original Kid Cairo wrote: When entertainment value is low on the board, a Bernstein angle is created. This is the 2013 CSFMB. Well, bookerman, punch us up a respectable thread or two. Nah, I'm well past the point where I can contribute to this board in a meaningful way. I'm more comfortable commenting on lack of quality without providing any ideas for improvement. It's just easier that way.

Author:	Brick [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:41 pm ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Don Tiny wrote: The Original Kid Cairo wrote: When entertainment value is low on the board, a Bernstein angle is created. This is the 2013 CSFMB. Well, bookerman, punch us up a respectable thread or two. Nah, I'm well past the point where I can contribute to this board in a meaningful way. I'm more comfortable commenting on lack of quality without providing any ideas for improvement. It's just easier that way. Milwaukee sports radio threads will save the board.

Author:	Regular Reader [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:45 pm ]
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Didn't he write pretty much the same column shortly after the Dukie from Crete-Monee passed away? I know he's told all of these stories on air multiple times....none of which are newsworthy. Yet another instance showing him to be guilty of the same laziness he lambastes in those he pretends to cover.

Author:	Seacrest [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:47 pm ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Don Tiny wrote: The Original Kid Cairo wrote: When entertainment value is low on the board, a Bernstein angle is created. This is the 2013 CSFMB. Well, bookerman, punch us up a respectable thread or two. Nah, I'm well past the point where I can contribute to this board in a meaningful way. I'm more comfortable commenting on lack of quality without providing any ideas for improvement. It's just easier that way. Quitter

Author:	veganfan21 [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:49 pm ]
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Seems NFL season Wednesday is the new February for sports talk. Well, until the NBA season starts, for some.

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Author:	veganfan21 [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:55 pm ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: veganfan21 wrote: Seems NFL season Wednesday is the new February for sports talk. Well, until the NBA season starts, for some. I remember when the adage used to be, "Sports radio will improve when football starts back up." It hasn't. Well I enjoy Fridays and Mondays during the Bears season, and I imagine I'd be fine during the middle of the week if I was into baseball a bit more than I am.

Author:	Don Tiny [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:05 pm ]
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The Original Kid Cairo wrote: Don Tiny wrote: The Original Kid Cairo wrote: When entertainment value is low on the board, a Bernstein angle is created. This is the 2013 CSFMB. Well, bookerman, punch us up a respectable thread or two. Nah, I'm well past the point where I can contribute to this board in a meaningful way. I'm more comfortable commenting on lack of quality without providing any ideas for improvement. It's just easier that way. I call gimmick infringement. I just learned that Pillman and Jim Harbaugh were roommates and teammates out at Miami (OH) way back when. I find that amusing. I also learned about that time he was dating Beulah. Years later, Beulah was introduced to Ron Gant, who in turn introduced her to Raven, who took her to Paulie. That networking blows my mind.

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 2:24 pm ]
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Regular Reader wrote: Didn't he write pretty much the same column shortly after the Dukie from Crete-Monee passed away? I know he's told all of these stories on air multiple times....none of which are newsworthy. Yet another instance showing him to be guilty of the same laziness he lambastes in those he pretends to cover. It really is all just filler around the real story of ripping Coach K. I wonder what the full story is behind the dislike.

Author:	Seacrest [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 3:33 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: Regular Reader wrote: Didn't he write pretty much the same column shortly after the Dukie from Crete-Monee passed away? I know he's told all of these stories on air multiple times....none of which are newsworthy. Yet another instance showing him to be guilty of the same laziness he lambastes in those he pretends to cover. It really is all just filler around the real story of ripping Coach K. I wonder what the full story is behind the dislike. He was once intellectually belittled by that Weber grad. Isn't that itself enough?

Author:	good dolphin [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:44 pm ]
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Seacrest wrote: good dolphin wrote: Regular Reader wrote: Didn't he write pretty much the same column shortly after the Dukie from Crete-Monee passed away? I know he's told all of these stories on air multiple times....none of which are newsworthy. Yet another instance showing him to be guilty of the same laziness he lambastes in those he pretends to cover. It really is all just filler around the real story of ripping Coach K. I wonder what the full story is behind the dislike. He was once intellectually belittled by that Weber grad. Isn't that itself enough? Coach K generally embraces people het meets in Durham from Chicago. Imagine the penility Bernstien must have given off to be a student looking to get into the sports media business from Chicago and still not seem to have any relationship with the guy after 4 years.

Author:	Tad Queasy [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:56 pm ]
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It sounds like Dan has been listening to Waddle & Silvy. He just referenced a few things that "their guy" Martellus Bennett said on The Jay Cutler Show this past Monday.

Author:	Seacrest [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:09 pm ]
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good dolphin wrote: Seacrest wrote: good dolphin wrote: Regular Reader wrote: Didn't he write pretty much the same column shortly after the Dukie from Crete-Monee passed away? I know he's told all of these stories on air multiple times....none of which are newsworthy. Yet another instance showing him to be guilty of the same laziness he lambastes in those he pretends to cover. It really is all just filler around the real story of ripping Coach K. I wonder what the full story is behind the dislike. He was once intellectually belittled by that Weber grad. Isn't that itself enough? Coach K generally embraces people het meets in Durham from Chicago. Imagine the penility Bernstien must have given off to be a student looking to get into the sports media business from Chicago and still not seem to have any relationship with the guy after 4 years. Bernsie was not always a Coach K detractor. This started in the last 5-7 years.

Author:	Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:27 pm ]
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I found that story incredibly confusing to keep track of who he was talking about. At first he's talking about a downstate Illinois guy and then it's a guy from the South Suburbs? Was that the same guy? He lost me completely.

Author:	Seacrest [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:28 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: I found that story incredibly confusing to keep track of who he was talking about. At first he's talking about a downstate Illinois guy and then it's a guy from the South Suburbs? Was that the same guy? He lost me completely. I got a headache. Who is his editor? That Baffoo guy?

Author:	Rod [ Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:28 pm ]
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Seacrest wrote: good dolphin wrote: Regular Reader wrote: Didn't he write pretty much the same column shortly after the Dukie from Crete-Monee passed away? I know he's told all of these stories on air multiple times....none of which are newsworthy. Yet another instance showing him to be guilty of the same laziness he lambastes in those he pretends to cover. It really is all just filler around the real story of ripping Coach K. I wonder what the full story is behind the dislike. He was once intellectually belittled by that Weber grad. Isn't that itself enough? Yes, Weber was for the Polacks that weren't good enough to play football at Gordon or who were too dumb to operate a table saw.