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12/3: Can they sustain the anguish?
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Author:  Hatchetman [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:26 pm ]
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I doubt it. Wonder what tack they'll take today? Say that seven times fast.
Author:  Zizou [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:40 pm ]
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Show rundown:

Hub-a-dee Hub-a-dee it's Arkush folks! More Bears breakdown. The city is demanding it. The thoughts of these men are so profound. No one else has said the exact same shit 100 times by now on other shows. Nah, impossible.

Pelicans and Bulls. Thibs is playing Virgil in this Divine Comedy.

Stuff from the weekend they didn't get to yesterday because we needed, nay required, all that Bears breakdown.

Mocking the Illini. Maybe a little B1G/ACC Challenge talk.

Terry hacks, snacks, smacks, and yacks.

I really don't know. Haven't listened since last week. I've been podcasting.
Author:  billypootons [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:27 pm ]
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i watched the end of regulation of bulls pelicans (during halftime of football)... Thibs got way too worked up over a bad call and I thought to myself, how can this guy care so much about a regular season game at this point?
Author:  Hatchetman [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:28 pm ]
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billypootons wrote:
.........got way too worked up over a bad call and I thought to myself, how can this guy care so much about a regular season game at this point?


This is exactly what I've been thinking about sports radio over the past 48 hours.
Author:  Brick [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:38 pm ]
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So the theme of today's show is "Lottery picks can get you really good players".

Well, I never thought of it that way. Thanks B&B!
Author:  sinicalypse [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:39 pm ]
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billypootons wrote:
i watched the end of regulation of bulls pelicans (during halftime of football)... Thibs got way too worked up over a bad call and I thought to myself, how can this guy care so much about a regular season game at this point?


no doubt part of thibs' gimmick to sustain respect in the lockerroom is that win every possession of every game mindset that compels the guy to stand out in the middle of the court yelling ICE!!!! for a good portion of the game.

the whole point is that thibodeau cares. it's not about you it's not about him it's not about the future it's not about doing anything going carpe diem on that individual play out of nothing but sheer love/respect for "the game". i'm personally amazed he didn't seem to harbor some real resentment towards derrick for not coming back last year. maybe he does, or at least he figures derrick will listen to them this time around.

yeah this lottery picks thing isn't shooting fish in a barrel, it's nuking the bulldozer that's plowing into the guy shooting the fish in the barrel.
Author:  redskingreg [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:52 pm ]
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Dan is getting trolled with these texts :lol:
Author:  Curious Hair [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:56 pm ]
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The best part is that after devoting all this yelling and screaming to "a column in the Sun-Times," it took about 20 minutes for Dan to quietly mutter that the author of this terrible column was none other than Joe Cowley. I guess this is burying the byline. I guess that's what you do when the author is not one of the show's established Newspaper Villains but rather their partner in White Sox taint-licking and Twitter misogyny.
Author:  IkeSouth [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:56 pm ]
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quick send dan a text that says "i would feel more satisfied with a team that wins a championship without a single lottery pick".
Author:  denisdman [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:58 pm ]
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billypootons wrote:
i watched the end of regulation of bulls pelicans (during halftime of football)... Thibs got way too worked up over a bad call and I thought to myself, how can this guy care so much about a regular season game at this point?


Thibs is a master. Getting NBA guys to care about an 82 game regular season schedule every night. A miracle worker actually.
Author:  Beardown [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:01 pm ]
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Without Rose, there is no point to watch a Bulls game. I won't. Thank God the Hawks are awesome and will be for the next 3 or 4 years.
Author:  NearWessSideHussra [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:08 pm ]
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:lol: Laughing at these guys trying to back away from their claim that you need to be IN the lottery to win a championship. Heat have had 2 lottery picks this century. San Antonio Spurs have had like 1 lottery pick in the last 20 years. And he's the only lottery pick on the Spurs current roster.

The most lottery picks on their current roster? The 3-13 Knicks and 4-15 Jazz, with 9 lottery picks each on their current rosters.
Author:  Dave In Champaign [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:09 pm ]
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Hey, look, everyone! Turns out Mike Florio's a fucking moron! #shocking
Author:  Hatchetman [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:13 pm ]
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Well technically, you don't have to DRAFT one of the top 5 players in the league. You could sign one as a free agent. Assuming every potential free agent didn't find your organization as appealing as a diseased crack whore.
Author:  Hatchetman [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:30 pm ]
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In that game 9 of the Bears 67 offensive snaps wound up with either negative yardage, a penalty, or turnover (13%).
Author:  pittmike [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:35 pm ]
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Some number dork called in and claims he had an argument for their belief. Away you go caller.
Author:  Dave In Champaign [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:35 pm ]
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lol at Dan cutting off and hanging up on the "probability analysis" caller. This show is absolutely fucking horrible.
Author:  rogers park bryan [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:37 pm ]
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Dave In Champaign wrote:
lol at Dan cutting off and hanging up on the "probability analysis" caller. This show is absolutely fucking horrible.

:lol:
Author:  pittmike [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:37 pm ]
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Ultimate singing troller lol. This is now fun.
Author:  Hatchetman [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:38 pm ]
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Dan YOU ARE AN IDIOT!! :lol: :lol:
Author:  redskingreg [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:38 pm ]
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When you kick on second down, you know it made me frown.
Author:  LeggoMYego [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:58 pm ]
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"it doesn't matter...who said it..what did they say!" Dan

"they said Frank Thomas isn't a first ballot Hall of Famer" Caller

"Who said that!??!!" Dan

YOU ARE A FUCKING JOKE DAN!!!

:bom:
Author:  denisdman [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:02 pm ]
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That topic came up in a recent DH article. It listed a bunch of sure fire HOF's who didn't make it on the first try.

Obviously, for those of us that watched Frank, we all know he deserves to get in on the first try. But Frank was not that friendly with the media nor did he get a lot of out of town press. His numbers were stellar, and if he was in fact clean, they are great. His batting average was impressive.

The article speculated that DH'ing would hurt his chances on the first ballot.
Author:  denisdman [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:03 pm ]
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Here it is:

Even though he is the greatest hitter in White Sox history and has long been a vocal critic of major-league players either being caught or suspected of using performance-enhancing drugs ("Draw the blood!"), Frank Thomas knows he is no sure thing to gain Hall of Fame enshrinement on the first ballot.

The Baseball Writers' Association of America votes on Hall of Fame candidates, and the 2014 ballot was officially announced on Tuesday. Along with fellow first-timers Greg Maddux (four-time Cy Young winner and former Cubs player) and Atlanta ace Tom Glavine, Thomas is one of 19 new candidates eligible for Cooperstown, and his eye-popping career numbers strongly suggest he'll get 75 percent or more of the vote needed to make the Hall.
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But after seeing voters shoot down deserving first-ballot candidates such as Roberto Alomar and Craig Biggio — along with Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Jack Morris, Jeff Bagwell and Mike Piazza — in recent years, Thomas isn't quite sure what to expect when the vote total is announced on Jan. 8.

"I think I've done enough to be a first-ballot Hall of Famer, but it's not up to me and you never know what's going to happen," Thomas said at SoxFest last January. "Watching all the nonsense unfold and not really knowing what was going on, it makes me much more proud of my career. I competed in that (steroid) era. I played at a high level in that era. There are a lot of great players but as it unfolds, a lot of it was not the real deal. I know 100 percent I was the real deal."

Thomas played 19 major-league seasons, 16 with the White Sox, and had a career .301/.419/.555 hitting line. He's also tied for 18th place all-time with 521 home runs, is 22nd with 1,704 RBI and 10th with 1,668 walks.

Selected by the White Sox on the first round of the 1989 draft (No. 7 overall) out of Auburn, Thomas won back-to-back American League MVP honors in 1993-94, he won his lone batting title in '97 (.347) and was a five-time all star.

Thomas played for the Oakland A's and Toronto Blue Jays following his messy split with the White Sox. He retired following the 2008 season.

"Everyone who enjoyed watching Frank Thomas perform during his outstanding career with the White Sox quickly realized we were watching one of the greatest offensive players of all-time, a player destined to rewrite our club's record books," Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf said in a statement after Thomas called it quits. "When your career comes to an end and your body of work is compared to Hall of Famers like Mel Ott, Babe Ruth and Ted Williams, you truly rank among baseball royalty. I believe it is only a matter of time until Frank receives the game's greatest honor in Cooperstown and he unquestionably deserves the honor of being recognized among the elite White Sox players in this franchise's history by having his No. 35 retired."

Thomas' number was retired at U.S. Cellular Field on Aug. 29, 2010.

Hall of Fame voters might not be impressed with Thomas primarily being a designated hitter his final 11 seasons, and he was frequently involved in contract squabbles that ultimately led to a heated public exchange with former White Sox general manager Kenny Williams.

But unlike Bonds, Sosa, Mark McGwire and other tainted offensive stars from his era, Thomas said he could always look in the mirror and not see a cheater.

"Any time you look at the PED situation, you look at the Lance Armstrong situation, you look at stuff like that, it's serious out there," Thomas said. "Thank God I'm blessed and I did it the right way. I had a good family base that made me outwork everybody else because that's the only way I made it to the big leagues."

Mike Mussina, Hideo Nomo, Kenny Rogers, Jeff Kent, Moises Alou and Luis Gonzalez also are among the players eligible to be voted on for the first time by the Baseball Writers' Association of America.

The 36-player ballot will include Armando Benitez, Sean Casey, Ray Durham, Eric Gagne, Jacque Jones, Todd Jones, Paul Lo Duca, Richie Sexson, J.T. Snow and Mike Timlin, the Hall said Tuesday.

Players elected along with choices announced Dec. 9 by the expansion era committee (1973 and later) will be inducted July 24 at Cooperstown. Among those on the committee ballot are retired managers Bobby Cox, Tony La Russa and Joe Torre; late Yankees owner George Steinbrenner; and late players' union head Marvin Miller.

Last year, the BBWAA failed for the first time since 1996 to produce any inductees. Craig Biggio came closest to receiving the necessary 75 percent, falling 39 shy with 388 (68.2 percent).

Jack Morris, who will be on the ballot for the final time this year, was second with 67.7 percent, followed by Jeff Bagwell (59.6), Mike Piazza (57.8), Tim Raines (52.2), Lee Smith (47.8) and Curt Schilling (38.8).
Author:  Rod [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:10 pm ]
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denisdman wrote:
That topic came up in a recent DH article. It listed a bunch of sure fire HOF's who didn't make it on the first try.


It's a different time though. Whether it's right or not, Frank is widely viewed as a "clean" player. That is going to easily carry him in on the first ballot. The voters are hungry for players they can embrace and putting in Frank and Maddux and maybe even Glavine is going to make them feel good. They didn't even elect any regularly eligible guys last year. They're going to be glad Frank and Maddux are there this time around.
Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:11 pm ]
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I hated Jack Morris but he should be in the HOF.
Author:  denisdman [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:14 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
denisdman wrote:
That topic came up in a recent DH article. It listed a bunch of sure fire HOF's who didn't make it on the first try.


It's a different time though. Whether it's right or not, Frank is widely viewed as a "clean" player. That is going to easily carry him in on the first ballot. The voters are hungry for players they can embrace and putting in Frank and Maddux and maybe even Glavine is going to make them feel good. They didn't even elect any regularly eligible guys last year. They're going to be glad Frank and Maddux are there this time around.



Agree 100%. Frank should be in hands down. But you need 75%, and it seems like a lot of those voters are Yankees biased....
Author:  Walt Williams Neck [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:42 pm ]
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Gary from Evanston's book of craps :shock: Bernstien trolling with the Maddux ESPN HOF stat....then Drinky reading Mad Dogs numbers for the Hall? Fuck man you saw him play PTFB
Author:  Rod [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:47 pm ]
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I hated Jack Morris but he should be in the HOF.


There are other guys that should probably be in ahead of him. Jim Kaat, for example. Maybe Tiant.
Author:  Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:50 pm ]
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
I hated Jack Morris but he should be in the HOF.


There are other guys that should probably be in ahead of him. Jim Kaat, for example. Maybe Tiant.


Kaat was more about longevity.

Morris was probably the best pitcher in the AL for a decade and his postseason games put him over the top.
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