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Author: | leashyourkids [ Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Who is the last Chicago hire Dan didn't slobber over? |
It's fuckin embarrassing. Every person he blows ends up sucking, and he has to do a 180 to save face. Bernstein's affection is the kiss of death. Let's hope it's different for Maddon, but I already like him less because Bernstein LOVES him. |
Author: | pittmike [ Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:23 pm ] |
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leashyourkids wrote: It's fuckin embarrassing. Every person he blows ends up sucking, and he has to do a 180 to save face. Bernstein's affection is the kiss of death. Let's hope it's different for Maddon, but I already like him less because Bernstein LOVES him. Correlation is not causation? |
Author: | Curious Hair [ Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:24 pm ] |
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Stan Bowman in 2009, probably. Maybe Robin Ventura. I think he topped out at "puzzled, but cautiously optimistic" on Robin. |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:29 pm ] |
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Dick Butkus as head coach of the Chicago Enforcers. |
Author: | SpiralStairs [ Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:36 pm ] |
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SomeGuy wrote: Dick Butkus as head coach of the Chicago Enforcers. Has a 30 for 30 been done about the XFL? I need my Bill Simonson fill! |
Author: | SomeGuy [ Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:37 pm ] |
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SpiralStairs wrote: SomeGuy wrote: Dick Butkus as head coach of the Chicago Enforcers. Has a 30 for 30 been done about the XFL? I need my Bill Simonson fill! Oh, I'm sure you can't go a second without getting filled up by Bill Simonson. |
Author: | Furious Styles [ Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:39 pm ] |
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Pokey Chatman. |
Author: | Seacrest [ Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:42 pm ] |
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Furious Styles wrote: Pokey Chatman. Camps fawned over her. |
Author: | Kirkwood [ Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:42 pm ] |
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It was Robin. He was neutral on him. I think he spent the next 5 years of Sox excitement on the Dunn signing. That was a thing and ever since then he's never been more than slightly optimistic. |
Author: | Curious Hair [ Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:44 pm ] |
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Yeah, he kinda got burned on the Adam Dunn thing after pining for years. |
Author: | SpiralStairs [ Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:52 pm ] |
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Curious Hair wrote: Yeah, he kinda got burned on the Adam Dunn thing after pining for years. Dan Bernstein and Adam Dunn mentioned in the same sentence? That means I get to post this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dJfWvCYFio |
Author: | leashyourkids [ Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:12 pm ] |
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How long before Dan takes credit for the Smart Sports Station leading to smart fans and thus Really Smart sports managers in Chicago? |
Author: | Dr. Kenneth Noisewater [ Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:24 pm ] |
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What about Chris Collins? Too Duke-y. |
Author: | Curious Hair [ Mon Nov 03, 2014 10:27 pm ] |
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leashyourkids wrote: How long before Dan takes credit for the Smart Sports Station leading to smart fans and thus Really Smart sports managers in Chicago? Negative two months; he did this at the 15th anniversary show. |
Author: | Rod [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:37 am ] |
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Before I answer, I have to know, is this a Cubs thread? |
Author: | leashyourkids [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 7:15 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Before I answer, I have to know, is this a Cubs thread? |
Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:47 am ] |
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: What about Chris Collins? Too Duke-y. Evanston hire |
Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:48 am ] |
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote: Before I answer, I have to know, is this a Cubs thread? Every thread is now a Cub thread |
Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 8:49 am ] |
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I would think Maddon's desire to simplify everything would be diametrically opposed to Bernstein's philosophy on life. |
Author: | Rod [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 9:26 am ] |
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good dolphin wrote: I would think Maddon's desire to simplify everything would be diametrically opposed to Bernstein's philosophy on life. bernstein enjoys feeling as if only he and a few select others understand a particular concept. That's why it was so funny to hear Joe Sheehan reduce him down to saying something like, "You know that thing on Fangraphs when Ned Yost makes a decision and now the Royals are 4% less likely to win the game? That's what I'm talking about." |
Author: | Northside_Dan [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:17 am ] |
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I think the initial Trestman love was more of an indication of how boring is it to listen to Lovie Smith speak than genuine excitement over Trest. |
Author: | pittmike [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:20 am ] |
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Northside_Dan wrote: I think the initial Trestman love was more of an indication of how boring is it to listen to Lovie Smith speak than genuine excitement over Trest. I disagree. I think Dan truly had a boner thinking Trestman would be a genius working off metrics and formulas. |
Author: | Curious Hair [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:34 am ] |
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Dan absolutely was excited for Trestman. He said "I like that he's an intellect." He seemed to respect him enough to talk to him as a peer through this column, which let's just say hasn't aged well: Quote: Press conferences are not games, but coaches have to win them – particularly the opener.
Marc Trestman is all but unknown to Bears fans, and tomorrow morning is his first opportunity to become something more than a printed resume or collection of recommendations. What he says Thursday will be remembered for better or worse, and for a long time. You don’t get to do this twice. Phil Emery promised to do everything he could to identify the right hire, describing an ideal of intelligence, upbeat demeanor, effective communication skills and football “excellence.” After his exhaustively thorough search process, it’s time to meet the winner, and see what the effort produced. Here’s what I would be telling Trestman before he steps into the glare of the lights: - As you begin speaking, consider moving from behind the lectern to beside it. Using furniture as a figurative shield adds an unnecessary layer between you and the audience, and symbolic visibility has value. Movement conveys positive energy. If you watch the smoothest, most successful CEOs at shareholder meetings or product rollouts, you’ll notice none is static or obstructed. - No pandering. No “Bears Football,” “Bear Weather,” or “get off the bus running.” No grandstanding about beating the Packers. Some proper respect for the history of a founding franchise is fine, but don’t let it cross the line into cheap politicking for the hearts and minds of the dumbest fans. Aim higher. - You’re going to make your boss look bad if you’re brusque or dismissive, or trying to catch the gaze of a PR assistant to cut off questions to get you out of there, since he guaranteed someone unlike that. Take every last question. - Transparency is OK right now. There is no sacred playbook yet, and no state secrets to protect. There’s no reason for a coach’s typically defensive posture toward substantive football questions, so just answer them. Articulate your philosophy. - There will be questions about the “negatives” of your candidacy, so don’t be surprised by them. Be ready to discuss Jerry Rice’s 1997 comments, the opinions that you over-think and over-complicate the game, and why the five year sojourn in Canada. You may have to explain how West-Coast offensive principles are still as viable as ever. - Don’t get hung up describing the process of your hire. Let Emery do that. It’s boring to hear about job interviews and phone calls, and this is a day to look forward and envision on-field accomplishments. - Be self-assured, but do not brag. Unfortunate phrases like “Decided schematic advantage” and “All the pieces are in place” still haunt to this day. - Talk pointedly about winning the Super Bowl. Not “getting to the Super Bowl,” but winning it. This cannot be said enough. Set a championship standard from the top and keep it there. - Make it clear that you share everyone’s understanding of why this job was open in the first place. The Bears have problems, and you can acknowledge them and address them without glossing anything over. Give the audience reason to be confident that you have seen tape of the same games we have endured, and have a plan to fix what we all know needs fixing. - Don’t be afraid of Jay Cutler. It’s clear that you’re here primarily to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses, and you don’t have to pretend that’s not the case. Nor must you worry about him not buying in right away if you speak openly about that task. With his contract coming up, Cutler is not in as powerful a position as he once was relative to the franchise, and has plenty of financial motivation to be a good listener. You’re the alpha dog now, replacing a coach who wasn’t that to Cutler, since he ceded offensive authority to underlings that never could connect consistently with the team’s most important talent. - Smile. Be careful with jokes, however. Some self-deprecation is fine, but don’t diminish your projection of confidence. Keep eye contact with the reporter to whom you respond. - Short sentences in this situation are better than long ones (though we know lawyers tend toward the latter). Wear your most expensive dark suit. You can do the team-color striped tie thing if you absolutely feel you must, but it doesn’t matter. You can never go wrong with blue. - And in case this was not yet specifically clear, don’t mention Ditka. |
Author: | Brick [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:13 pm ] |
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Dan McNeil. Though, he did slobber over him not being retained. |
Author: | MattInTheCrown [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:58 pm ] |
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leashyourkids wrote: It's fuckin embarrassing. Every person he blows ends up sucking, and he has to do a 180 to save face. Bernstein's affection is the kiss of death. Let's hope it's different for Maddon, but I already like him less because Bernstein LOVES him. Maddon's inevitable fall will be very entertaining. Almost enough to make me give a damn about baseball. |
Author: | good dolphin [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 1:24 pm ] |
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MattInTheCrown wrote: leashyourkids wrote: It's fuckin embarrassing. Every person he blows ends up sucking, and he has to do a 180 to save face. Bernstein's affection is the kiss of death. Let's hope it's different for Maddon, but I already like him less because Bernstein LOVES him. Maddon's inevitable fall will be very entertaining. Almost enough to make me give a damn about baseball. Memories of this present will be washed by this time. Everyone eventually falls. The Angels seemed prepared to part ways with Soscia. Ozzie was given away with a bow. Hell, even the Rays gave a fairly insulting offer to Maddon. At the end, the story will be that we always had our reservations about him |
Author: | Reared on the Score [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:02 pm ] |
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good dolphin wrote: At the end, the story will be that we always had our reservations about him or, as with the Bulls, the front-office 'did everything they could' and things just don't work out sometimes. |
Author: | No Clever Moniker [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:13 pm ] |
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He'll find a player to blame for their failed fortunes, someone that has a little "Q"-factor or charisma. Then again, as the new Cubs home he may be told to keep his mouth shut. Like a good little corporate bitch. |
Author: | 550Spyder [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:33 pm ] |
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Maddon was entertaining in the presser, but I put him in the same boat as Rex Ryan, Martellus Bennett, Ditka, etc. Entertaining now, but once they start losing, that shit gets real old, real quick. |
Author: | leashyourkids [ Tue Nov 04, 2014 6:49 pm ] |
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550Spyder wrote: Maddon was entertaining in the presser, but I put him in the same boat as Rex Ryan, Martellus Bennett, Ditka, etc. Entertaining now, but once they start losing, that shit gets real old, real quick. Everything gets old when you lose. The reality is that sports is a weird mix of things that can potentially culminate in success. Championing one way over another is anti-intellectual and short-sighted. Pee-Wee Herman could win a World Series if he had the talent. The most you can hope to do is increase your odds. Then again, maybe that's why Dan has moved on to social issues. |
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