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Author:  Hayden Fry's Mustache [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:12 pm ]
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I was at the game Sunday, and while sitting in the Bear Weather, I was thinking the Bears should hire Mike Holgrum as coach. He has fire and passion and is a football guy. I played football in high school and think he would be good. The one thing for certain is they need to make changes. Einstein said insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Bear down.

Author:  Chus [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:19 pm ]
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Hayden Fry's Mustache wrote:
I was at the game Sunday, and while sitting in the Bear Weather, I was thinking the Bears should hire Mike Holgrum as coach. He has fire and passion and is a football guy. I played football in high school and think he would be good. The one thing for certain is they need to make changes. Einstein said insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Bear down.


My buddies and I were just talking about this, and the possibility of bringing back McGowan.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:33 pm ]
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Dan's getting all pissy because someone suggested that the Bears' doldrums will close the gap with the other local teams. "There's not some finite amount of money that goes to sports." Yes, actually, for normal people, disposable income is most certainly finite, and perhaps spending money on a moribund Bears team won't be worth it when you can spend it not only on Chicago sports, but on any number of things that don't suck.


Also, he said calculus

Author:  Don Tiny [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:00 pm ]
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Chus wrote:
Hayden Fry's Mustache wrote:
I was at the game Sunday, and while sitting in the Bear Weather, I was thinking the Bears should hire Mike Holgrum as coach. He has fire and passion and is a football guy. I played football in high school and think he would be good. The one thing for certain is they need to make changes. Einstein said insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Bear down.


My buddies and I were just talking about this, and the possibility of bringing back McGowan.


What about Ditka as GM? The position and the corporation?

Author:  Nas [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:03 pm ]
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I think they should bring back Grossman.

Author:  bigfan [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:04 pm ]
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Nas wrote:
I think they should bring back Grossman.


Sorry, too busy.

Author:  Buster [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:16 pm ]
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$11 for hot chocolate at Soldier Field

Author:  Hayden Fry's Mustache [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:24 pm ]
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Buster wrote:
$11 for hot chocolate at Soldier Field

Make more money.

Author:  Douchebag [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:25 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Dan's getting all pissy because someone suggested that the Bears' doldrums will close the gap with the other local teams. "There's not some finite amount of money that goes to sports." Yes, actually, for normal people, disposable income is most certainly finite, and perhaps spending money on a moribund Bears team won't be worth it when you can spend it not only on Chicago sports, but on any number of things that don't suck.

The Bears could raise ticket prices 100% and every game would still sell out.

Author:  Reared on the Score [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 4:26 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Dan's getting all pissy because someone suggested that the Bears' doldrums will close the gap with the other local teams. "There's not some finite amount of money that goes to sports." Yes, actually, for normal people, disposable income is most certainly finite, and perhaps spending money on a moribund Bears team won't be worth it when you can spend it not only on Chicago sports, but on any number of things that don't suck.


Also, he said calculus



:lol: He's the same guy who questions why anyone would spend the money to go to an NFL game in the first place. Why not especially when the NFL team sucks ass?

Author:  billypootons [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:04 pm ]
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last game hot chocolate in a souvinear cup was half off... so $5.50.... had me wondering who the hell would pay $11 for it. Beer is $9.25.... i think next year it jumps to $9.75... i wonder what the fans will say when the following year it goes over $10...

Author:  Chus [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:29 pm ]
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billypootons wrote:
last game hot chocolate in a souvinear cup was half off... so $5.50.... had me wondering who the hell would pay $11 for it. Beer is $9.25.... i think next year it jumps to $9.75... i wonder what the fans will say when the following year it goes over $10...

Two Budweisers, please.

Author:  America [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:35 pm ]
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Right now I'm just in it for the spectacle. Once they bring in whatever lame new regime my Bears fandom will continue is long, steady decline.

Author:  sinicalypse [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:50 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Also, he said calculus



how far do you think dan went into the realm of calculus throughout his higher/education? i wonder as someone who it took like 2-3 tries to get through calc 2, and then it's like "ok you know all that bullshit your dumb ass finally figured out? yeah next year in diff eq we're gonna throw in another variable or two. have fun with that" and that's about the point where i was just like "fuck this. there are people put on earth who are meant to design rockets and program computers and shit and i am definitely not one of those people. so it goes."

do you think dan ever hit that point, or was he a prissy literary major or something? what was his major?

Author:  pittmike [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:36 pm ]
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sinicalypse wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
Also, he said calculus



how far do you think dan went into the realm of calculus throughout his higher/education? i wonder as someone who it took like 2-3 tries to get through calc 2, and then it's like "ok you know all that bullshit your dumb ass finally figured out? yeah next year in diff eq we're gonna throw in another variable or two. have fun with that" and that's about the point where i was just like "fuck this. there are people put on earth who are meant to design rockets and program computers and shit and i am definitely not one of those people. so it goes."

do you think dan ever hit that point, or was he a prissy literary major or something? what was his major?


I doubt he ever took it at all. He uses it as a fancy word for calculation is all.

Author:  No Clever Moniker [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:11 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote:
Curious Hair wrote:
Dan's getting all pissy because someone suggested that the Bears' doldrums will close the gap with the other local teams. "There's not some finite amount of money that goes to sports." Yes, actually, for normal people, disposable income is most certainly finite, and perhaps spending money on a moribund Bears team won't be worth it when you can spend it not only on Chicago sports, but on any number of things that don't suck.

The Bears could raise ticket prices 100% and every game would still sell out.



Smallest big market/city in da bizness.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:11 pm ]
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Douchebag wrote:
The Bears could raise ticket prices 100% and every game would still sell out.

It's funny. White Sox fans famously stay home from games to "demand a winner." Blackhawks fans wouldn't go to games until Bill died. But the same people ostensibly like the Bears and will eat up the Bears' shit with a spoon year after year because...why, exactly? Because of something that happened thirty years ago? It's idiotic. Football sucks in person anyway.

Author:  OldSchoolScoreFan [ Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:05 pm ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
The Bears could raise ticket prices 100% and every game would still sell out.

It's funny. White Sox fans famously stay home from games to "demand a winner." Blackhawks fans wouldn't go to games until Bill died. But the same people ostensibly like the Bears and will eat up the Bears' shit with a spoon year after year because...why, exactly? Because of something that happened thirty years ago? It's idiotic. Football sucks in person anyway.


-8 home games vs 81 or 41
-Almost all games are played when most people don't have to work and when most people can get home at a reasonsable hour
-Many season ticket holders have had the tickets for generations... it is just what they do
-The rest of the season ticket holders waited years to get tickets. If you wait 10 years for something you go.
-The Bears have not had an extended period of being really crappy in a while. Lovie's teams always were in it till yhd end

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Dec 24, 2014 3:16 am ]
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"It's just what they do." That pretty much gets to the heart of it. People support the Bears because supporting the Bears is what we do. No one gives it any higher thought than that; we can be critical of the other teams, but it's somehow our civic responsibility to sing along to the stupid fight song and think that they "represent" us by being "blue-collar" despite that describing neither player nor fan. It shouldn't matter how many home games there are per year. If the product is going to be this underwhelming, it doesn't matter if there are eight games or eight hundred. Find some better shit to do on a Sunday than worry about this crappy go-nowhere team.

Author:  Brick [ Wed Dec 24, 2014 6:26 am ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
"It's just what they do." That pretty much gets to the heart of it. People support the Bears because supporting the Bears is what we do. No one gives it any higher thought than that; we can be critical of the other teams, but it's somehow our civic responsibility to sing along to the stupid fight song and think that they "represent" us by being "blue-collar" despite that describing neither player nor fan. It shouldn't matter how many home games there are per year. If the product is going to be this underwhelming, it doesn't matter if there are eight games or eight hundred. Find some better shit to do on a Sunday than worry about this crappy go-nowhere team.
You are overanalyzing it. Football is the #1 sport in this country and the Bears are the only team in town. There isn't anything better to do on a Sunday than that.

Let me guess, you only followed the Hawks once they were good too right?

Author:  OldSchoolScoreFan [ Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:48 am ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
"It's just what they do." That pretty much gets to the heart of it. People support the Bears because supporting the Bears is what we do. No one gives it any higher thought than that; we can be critical of the other teams, but it's somehow our civic responsibility to sing along to the stupid fight song and think that they "represent" us by being "blue-collar" despite that describing neither player nor fan. It shouldn't matter how many home games there are per year. If the product is going to be this underwhelming, it doesn't matter if there are eight games or eight hundred. Find some better shit to do on a Sunday than worry about this crappy go-nowhere team.


Why does it bother you? How others spend their limited free time and disposesble income isn't hurting you. Also if I gave up my season tickets tomorrow there would be a line of people waiting to replace me. Every time I go to a game I have fun. The games in 2006 were more fun than Sunday, but it beats the hell out of cleaning out the garage

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:54 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Let me guess, you only followed the Hawks once they were good too right?

Spent many a lonely high school night with the radio on listening to the 02-03 and, worse, 03-04 Hawks, thanks.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:58 am ]
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OldSchoolScoreFan wrote:
Why does it bother you?


Because I'm sick of football, I'm sick of the NFL, and I'm sick of the Bears. I hate that we treat this team like some treasured institution as if they're the Steelers or 49ers or any team that's actually accomplished anything and we're all just supposed to fall in line and unquestionably support this team because it's the NFL and because they're the Bears. It's empty-headed tautological bullshit. I hate the weird owners, I hate the unlikable players year after year, I hate the crappy stadium blighting the lakefront. Of the five pro teams in town, no one gives us less from more than the Bears, but to suggest that maybe this ought to change is dismissed: you don't just spend that time and money on other things!

Author:  Brick [ Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:31 am ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Let me guess, you only followed the Hawks once they were good too right?

Spent many a lonely high school night with the radio on listening to the 02-03 and, worse, 03-04 Hawks, thanks.
So how can you not understand why people still devotedly follow the Bears?

The Hawks at that time treated fans 100x worse than the Bears ever have.

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:34 am ]
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I'm an idiot! Other people should know better!

Author:  Brick [ Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:35 am ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
I'm an idiot! Other people should know better!
I'd say the payoff was worth the wait though.

Author:  sinicalypse [ Wed Dec 24, 2014 9:45 am ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
OldSchoolScoreFan wrote:
Why does it bother you?


Because I'm sick of football, I'm sick of the NFL, and I'm sick of the Bears. I hate that we treat this team like some treasured institution as if they're the Steelers or 49ers or any team that's actually accomplished anything and we're all just supposed to fall in line and unquestionably support this team because it's the NFL and because they're the Bears. It's empty-headed tautological bullshit. I hate the weird owners, I hate the unlikable players year after year, I hate the crappy stadium blighting the lakefront. Of the five pro teams in town, no one gives us less from more than the Bears, but to suggest that maybe this ought to change is dismissed: you don't just spend that time and money on other things!


say it like you mean it, CH.

this is why you need to give proper european soccer a go. you wanna end up like this guy because sports isn't about winning and losing, it's about coexisting. it's about emoting. it's about fun. even if it's fun-bad. and while i can't say that anything you said is technically wrong and all, man, i can tell you that after i started watching game 1 of the 2001 season and made it a point to watch every game of that unbelievable 13-3 year when i got to the playoff game against the eagles and i was drinking my 151 (hard to mix) and our jim miller got killed by hugh douglas that's when it hit me: OH FUCK I'M A BEARS FAN.

i spent the 90s largely ignoring the sport my mom called "fuckball" because when the bears lost my dad was guaranteed to be in a shit mood all sunday, and this is the wannstedt era we're talking about.

you don't really make choices for fandom with your head.... it's more some combination of your gut your heart, and of course your ass (says the ~2yr arsenal fan with 4+ jerseys or sorry KITS now).

do you have a good paragraph or so on why european soccer sucks? i'd love to hear your thoughts on the mother nipple of your beloved canadian stick soccer on meth =D

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:01 am ]
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Curious Hair wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Let me guess, you only followed the Hawks once they were good too right?

Spent many a lonely high school night with the radio on listening to the 02-03 and, worse, 03-04 Hawks, thanks.

The Thibault era

Author:  Curious Hair [ Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:24 am ]
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sinicalypse wrote:
do you have a good paragraph or so on why european soccer sucks? i'd love to hear your thoughts on the mother nipple of your beloved canadian stick soccer on meth =D

I don't think it sucks. I enjoy the Premiership in and of itself if I catch a game on TV, but the American soccer snobs (ASSes?) who want to apply all these European affectations to shitty lame-o MLS really bug me. I enjoy soccer in the same middle-ground way I enjoy the NBA: I like to have it on and watch passively; unlike hockey, I'm not super-locked in like I'm on Adderall, and unlike baseball, I'm not really thinking about the game at any higher level. I appreciate that it's not a delivery device for trucks, beer, and insurance like NFL telecasts are. I realize that I'm just a passerby or houseguest when it comes to really absorbing the game. Soccer's fine.

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