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| Author: | Brick [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:21 pm ] |
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Dan found some new math thing or something, and it will change baseball forever or something, and then it won't be talked about again like the last thing that was supposed to change baseball forever. Still the best show in Chicago, but today, it may only be marginally superior to the other shows rather than far superior. |
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| Author: | leashyourkids [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 10/01: Math day |
No Hub today. Bad show. |
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:25 pm ] |
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I'm debating a hate listen. This is going to be painful. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:28 pm ] |
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still waiting for those awesome defensive stats we've been hearing about for years. |
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| Author: | badrogue17 [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:41 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: still waiting for those awesome defensive stats we've been hearing about for years. Anything on the no way Mantle was faster to first than Billy Hamilton math? |
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| Author: | sjboyd0137 [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 10/01: Math day |
Boilermaker Rick wrote: Dan found some new math thing or something, I'm sure it's some stupid common core shit his "genius" son taught him while doing homework together |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 1:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 10/01: Math day |
Carlos Enrique Nolasco is apparently a racist white guy. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:06 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: Carlos Enrique Nolasco is apparently a racist white guy. Ted Cruz likes this. |
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| Author: | City of Fools [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:07 pm ] |
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essentially these stats that Dan is now reading sound like "clutch" |
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| Author: | pittmike [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:08 pm ] |
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Clutchness.
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:11 pm ] |
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you gotta be fucking kidding me.
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| Author: | City of Fools [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:11 pm ] |
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so Dan is willing to be seen as going over to the clutch side, why? Because Cubs players are good at this stat. And Rizzo leads it by a lot. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:12 pm ] |
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pittmike wrote: Clutchness. Hatchetman wrote: you gotta be fucking kidding me. Yeah, gotta agree with those sentiments ... taking something that may have merit and just making it sound cartoonishly stupid. |
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| Author: | Smarmystein [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:14 pm ] |
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this just in...being "clutch"...matters! 
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:15 pm ] |
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somebody got a source for what he's talking about? I missed the intro. |
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| Author: | Brick [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:16 pm ] |
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City of Fools wrote: so Dan is willing to be seen as going over to the clutch side, why? Because Cubs players are good at this stat. And Rizzo leads it by a lot. This is exactly it.JORR's Bernstein is a Cubs fan theory is now clearly correct. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:17 pm ] |
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found it: http://grantland.com/the-triangle/2015- ... ony-rizzo/ |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:21 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: tl;dr Seems like something reverse-engineered to get a desired result. |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:38 pm ] |
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he's truly the dumbest man on earth. we just talked about the cubs awesome clutchiness and now he proclaims baseball is all random. |
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| Author: | DannyB [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:42 pm ] |
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Counting down to the moment Goff falls in line. I heard a few of his Bleacher Report shows on Sirius, and when he wasn't discussing how much "play" he and his cohosts were getting, he spent a half hour eseentially reading a transcript from an old Bernstein show on the myth of clutch. It was quite almost creepy. |
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| Author: | Don Tiny [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:44 pm ] |
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Hatchetman wrote: he's truly the dumbest man on earth. we just talked about the cubs awesome clutchiness and now he proclaims baseball is all random. The outcome of a game due to the collective efforts of two teams is random; an individual performance can be clutch. (I don't know if that works; I'm just guessing at his response) |
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| Author: | sinicalypse [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:49 pm ] |
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welp it seems like the math/stats talk has been eschewed in favor of dan and terry championing baseball "fun" aka "showboating" and etc. they can deride the "fun police" with their lofty status as the "have fun police", eh? |
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| Author: | Hatchetman [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:51 pm ] |
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as evidence of racism he's telling the story of some white guy who went down to the Dominican (?) and adapted his behavior to fit in with the mores down there. |
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| Author: | Rod [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:52 pm ] |
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| If you accept this philosophy there is NO WAY you can argue against the merit of a starter's W/L record or a batter's RBI.
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| Author: | Rod [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 2:55 pm ] |
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Don Tiny wrote: Hatchetman wrote: he's truly the dumbest man on earth. we just talked about the cubs awesome clutchiness and now he proclaims baseball is all random. The outcome of a game due to the collective efforts of two teams is random; an individual performance can be clutch. (I don't know if that works; I'm just guessing at his response) It doesn't work. The entire field of modern SABRmetrics is based on the belief that the "when" of a player's accomplishments is purely random. I'm sure you remember as well as I do bernstein screaming at callers words to this effect: "ARE YOU SAYING HE ISN'T TRYING HIS HARDEST ALL THE TIME?????" |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:03 pm ] |
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The argument has always been that there are clutch hits just not clutch players. That a player's stats will be the same, over a long sample size, batting in the first innings with nobody on as it will be in the ninth with the game on the line. So if a player bats .300 with runners in scoring position. He probably also bats .300 with nobody on base. |
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| Author: | rogers park bryan [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:04 pm ] |
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Beardown wrote: The argument has always been that there are clutch hits just not clutch players. That a player's stats will be the same, over a long sample size, batting in the first innings with nobody on as it will be in the ninth with the game on the line. So if a player bats .300 with runners in scoring position. He probably also bats .300 with nobody on base. My argument would be to say "what happened to Rick Ankiel in the playoffs?" There are guys that tighten up in big situations. To deny that is crazy. |
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| Author: | Walt Williams Neck [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:07 pm ] |
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City of Fools wrote: essentially these stats that Dan is now reading sound like "clutch" 
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| Author: | Smarmystein [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:10 pm ] |
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Clayton Kershaw...regular season.....STELLAR... Clayton Kershaw postseason...blooooooows.... Dan and Terry in past years prior to postseason...."nobody's gonna beat Kershaw"
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| Author: | Rod [ Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: 10/01: Math day |
Beardown wrote: The argument has always been that there are clutch hits just not clutch players. That a player's stats will be the same, over a long sample size, batting in the first innings with nobody on as it will be in the ninth with the game on the line. So if a player bats .300 with runners in scoring position. He probably also bats .300 with nobody on base. If that's the case this "stat" that bernstein is using to trumpet Rizzo is complete nonsense. |
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