I went to Comiskey first as a young man.

I went to Wrigley after that.

I liked Wrigley better.

True story.

So you are saying that the thoughts people have about the nostalgia of going to baseball games are not real?

Wasn't one of your only points on the "football vs. baseball" debate that people care a lot more about those memories?

I understand what Hanley was saying. I only went to one baseball game in my youth and that was a Sox game in '85. But I grew up a Cub fan. Why? Watching the Cubs at Wrigley on TV , day games, people appearing to have fun in the bleachers, Harry Carry.

The Sox? Night games, a park that never appeared to be full (the upper deck was rarely occupied) and just as Hanley said, the park just seemed drab, dark and boring.

But are you telling me walking into Yankee Stadium or Fenway would invoke the same feelings as walking into Busch cookie cutter stadium?

Wrigley was a very cool place to sit in the daytime with the ivy on the walls and the sun shining. Beautiful.

Old Comiskey was a run down dump of a place that just felt drab and dirty.

Wrigley is/was run down also but sitting in the seats I wasn't dwelling on the disgusting-ness of the bathrooms as everything was sunny and green.

Sitting in the seats at Old Comiskey was darker, even in the daytime, and more depressing. My impressions as a yout'.

And I can assure you that when both parks existed those who thought Wrigley was the better of the two were few and far between.

I don't believe this.

But here's the advertising part. You remember Comiskey as a dump and think of Wrigley as beautiful. The fact is they were/are both crumbling old dumps. But U.S. Cellular is relatively new and Wrigley is a dump in comparison by any objective measure. Yet somehow you don't see it that way. I mean Wrigley was the same, exact place when no one went there and no one cared about it in the 70s. How did it improve?

Old Comiskey was dark because of the low hanging upper deck that went all the way around the field. Wrigley is open to the sky/sun in the outfield.

My biggest thing that I remember being ugly about the old comiskey was the yellow railings that seemed to be everywhere, standing out against the dark green seats. Not a good look....

I am not questioning the attendance figures or that the Cubs had some bad seasons in terms of attendance. i am questioning the statement that most people though comiskey was the better ballpark, or in your words that people who thought Wrigley was better were few and far between.

I mean, if Wrigley was so great, why would the Cubs play a World Series at Sox Park?

I'm not arguing against your other points, but this is a terrible point to support your argument. If the Cubs would have made the world series in 1984, MLB would have forced them to play at Comiskey because Wrigley couldn't play any night games due to the lack of lights. It had nothing to do with the condition of the park.

JORR, as a Sox fan why do you care if Cubs fans like Wrigley better than the Cell? As a little kid I thought Wrigley was great and now I dont really give a crap where they play as long as they win. I just dont understand why it bothers you that Cubs fans have fond memories of the field where their favorite team plays.

I don't really think they would have forced them to play there in '84. I'm talking about the one they did play there in 1918.

JORR, as a Sox fan why do you care if Cubs fans like Wrigley better than the Cell? As a little kid I thought Wrigley was great and now I dont really give a crap where they play as long as they win. I just dont understand why it bothers you that Cubs fans have fond memories of the field where their favorite team plays.

JORR, let it go. You are Elmhurst Steveing the rest of the Sox fans on the board.

Who gives a flying fuck if anyone thinks either park is superior. Superiority of said ballparks is completely based on one's opinion, and after reading this thread, you are making it sound like you want everyone who has posted here to agree with you that the Cell is better. As a Sox fan, I agree with you. I like the Cell better. But the Phils, Douchebags, etc don't agree. Get the fuck over it and move on.