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Author:  Dignified Rube [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 5:55 am ]
Post subject:  Wilson Better than Cutler Call

Caller put Mulligan on the spot this morning to defend Cutler, asking whether he thought Russel Wilson was better than Jay Cutler. Mulligan gave his usual apologist answer for the Bears in saying, yes, and then he realized either how stupid or dishonest that sounded and changed his answer to "I don't know." And then he attempted to deflect the question by asking the caller a question how well Cutler would do in Seattle's system and Wilson, vice versa, in the Chicago system. And when that line of thought didn't work either, the conversation turned to, "Who else are you going to pay, if not Cutler?"

This is why I can't stand Mulligan, because of his Cutler and Bears dishonesty. Of course Wilson is a better quarterback than 30 year old Cutler. He is a superbowl winning quarterback, while in 5 years with the Bears Cutler has won just won playoff game against a mediocre Seattle team. Wilson also beat Rodgers, which Cutler doesn't do. As to his rhetorical question about who are you going to pay, you can draft a quarterback in the 1st round which the Bears have not done since Grossman, but Emery is too smart for us all in drafting the likes of McClellin instead. Just admit already that the Bears made a mistake with Cutler, Mulligan, and maybe you get a shred of your credibility back. You don't help yourself by pointing out to us that McCown had a better record in the Trestman system than Cutler.

Author:  312player [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Wilson Better than Cutler Call

I'm surprised Mully didn't say Yes...Wilson is better..because he clearly is...

I didn't hear it...but Him n Hanley don't really seem to be apologists .

Author:  Brick [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Wilson Better than Cutler Call

Dignified Rube wrote:
And then he attempted to deflect the question by asking the caller a question how well Cutler would do in Seattle's system and Wilson, vice versa, in the Chicago system. And when that line of thought didn't work either, the conversation turned to, "Who else are you going to pay, if not Cutler?"
That question is interesting given that the Bears passed on Russell Wilson to draft Shea McLellin.

Obviously every team, even Seattle, underrated Wilson by a large degree but it just points out once again the fallacy in the "How could the Bears succeed if they hadn't paid Cutler like he is an elite qb?" argument.

Author:  Dignified Rube [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:44 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
And then he attempted to deflect the question by asking the caller a question how well Cutler would do in Seattle's system and Wilson, vice versa, in the Chicago system. And when that line of thought didn't work either, the conversation turned to, "Who else are you going to pay, if not Cutler?"
That question is interesting given that the Bears passed on Russel Wilson to draft Shea McLellin.

Obviously every team, even Seattle, underrated Wilson by a large degree but it just points out once again the fallacy in the "How could the Bears succeed if they hadn't paid Cutler like he is an elite qb?" argument.


Don't ever want to hear Mulligan or anyone else cry "Who else do they have, or who else are they going to pay?" You have the ability to go get a quarterback in the draft every year. But because of their idiotic appeasement policy toward Cutler, not fostering any competition at the position, the Bears haven't drafted one because they might hurt poor Jay's feeling.

Author:  SomeGuy [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Wilson Better than Cutler Call

Dignified Rube wrote:
Caller put Mulligan on the spot this morning to defend Cutler, asking whether he thought Russel Wilson was better than Jay Cutler. Mulligan gave his usual apologist answer for the Bears in saying, yes, and then he realized either how stupid or dishonest that sounded and changed his answer to "I don't know." And then he attempted to deflect the question by asking the caller a question how well Cutler would do in Seattle's system and Wilson, vice versa, in the Chicago system. And when that line of thought didn't work either, the conversation turned to, "Who else are you going to pay, if not Cutler?"

This is why I can't stand Mulligan, because of his Cutler and Bears dishonesty. Of course Wilson is a better quarterback than 30 year old Cutler. He is a superbowl winning quarterback, while in 5 years with the Bears Cutler has won just won playoff game against a mediocre Seattle team. Wilson also beat Rodgers, which Cutler doesn't do. As to his rhetorical question about who are you going to pay, you can draft a quarterback in the 1st round which the Bears have not done since Grossman, but Emery is too smart for us all in drafting the likes of McClellin instead. Just admit already that the Bears made a mistake with Cutler, Mulligan, and maybe you get a shred of your credibility back. You don't help yourself by pointing out to us that McCown had a better record in the Trestman system than Cutler.


It's a horrible show, stop listening.

Author:  badrogue17 [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 6:55 am ]
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It isn't really up for debate that Wilson is better is it?

Author:  SomeGuy [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:05 am ]
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badrogue17 wrote:
It isn't really up for debate that Wilson is better is it?


It shouldn't be.

Cutler = Atlanta Falcons Jeff George/Scott Mitchell

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Wilson Better than Cutler Call

Is Drew Brees better than Cutler?

Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:34 am ]
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IMO, Wilson is easily a top 10 QB right now. Cutler is not.

Author:  Kirkwood [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:35 am ]
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This isn't even a debate. It's still unclear whether Cutler is even as good as McCown.

Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:37 am ]
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Packers still suck though.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:37 am ]
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Is Peyton Manning better than Cutler?

Author:  leashyourkids [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:39 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Is Peyton Manning better than Cutler?


I know you're making a point here...

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:50 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Wilson Better than Cutler Call

leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Is Peyton Manning better than Cutler?


I know you're making a point here...

Just ya know....its kind of a ridiculous question


Anyway, it'd be easier to list QB's who are worse than Cutler


E.J. Manuel
Chad Henne
Geno Smith

Author:  Peoria Matt [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:52 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Is Peyton Manning better than Cutler?


I know you're making a point here...

Just ya know....its kind of a ridiculous question


Anyway, it'd be easier to list QB's who are worse than Cutler


E.J. Manuel
Chad Henne
Geno Smith


That's depressing. Thanks RPB.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 8:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Wilson Better than Cutler Call

Peoria Matt wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Is Peyton Manning better than Cutler?


I know you're making a point here...

Just ya know....its kind of a ridiculous question


Anyway, it'd be easier to list QB's who are worse than Cutler


E.J. Manuel
Chad Henne
Geno Smith


That's depressing. Thanks RPB.

Eli Manning looks like he might die soon, if that helps.

Author:  bigfan [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:01 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Wilson Better than Cutler Call

dignified, if you don't like Mully, or me, thats fine.

but from your own words and what Mully said was "Mulligan gave his usual apologist answer for the Bears in saying, yes"

The caller talked about a better arm....

Jay has a MUCH better arm than Wilson does and I do think Jay is a much better pocket passer.

I would rather have Wilson, especially with the players and offense Seattle has, everything on that team is built around speed and Wilson fits the plan Pete Carrol has.

Mulligan is a ton of things, but a Bear aologist? wow, I think almost everyone at Halas Hall would disagree with you about that one.

can we have a $100 wager on the Bears -2? Isnt that the line you claim is on the board....somewhere....outsiede of Vegas which now has Bears -7 everywhere.....

Am I feeding the troll or debating with a 22 year old again?

Author:  Brick [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:02 am ]
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rogers park bryan wrote:
Anyway, it'd be easier to list QB's who are worse than Cutler


E.J. Manuel
Chad Henne
Geno Smith
:lol:

Author:  Don Tiny [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:08 am ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
This isn't even a debate. It's still unclear whether Cutler is even as good as McCown.


Only amongst the dim.

Author:  Peoria Matt [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:10 am ]
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No way Mully is a Bears apologist. He's the opposite. You can tell he's not a big fan of Emery.

Author:  bigfan [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:18 am ]
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Don Tiny wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
This isn't even a debate. It's still unclear whether Cutler is even as good as McCown.


Only amongst the dim.


or those who listen to imagninary radio

Author:  veganfan21 [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:19 am ]
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While Wilson is better the question is still irrelevant. The Bears clearly think Cutler is good enough to get them to the SB, and if he does it wouldn't be the first time a QB outside of the top 5 or top 10 best QBs made and won a Superbowl.

Author:  veganfan21 [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:20 am ]
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Even Wilson is probably not a top 5 QB. Here are mine:

Manning
Rodgers
Brady
Luck
Brees

Author:  Kirkwood [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:22 am ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
While Wilson is better the question is still irrelevant. The Bears clearly think Cutler is good enough to get them to the SB, and if he does it wouldn't be the first time a QB outside of the top 5 or top 10 best QBs made and won a Superbowl.

Other than Dilfer what other QB in the 25-32 range has won a Super Bowl?

Author:  Brick [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Wilson Better than Cutler Call

veganfan21 wrote:
While Wilson is better the question is still irrelevant. The Bears clearly think Cutler is good enough to get them to the SB, and if he does it wouldn't be the first time a QB outside of the top 5 or top 10 best QBs made and won a Superbowl.
The question simply highlights just how screwed the Bears are by paying Cutler what they are.

It's clear they are paying him on what they hope he can be. Every year that goes by makes that less likely to happen. The Bears need Cutler to be better than Wilson this year. Otherwise, Cutler is not good enough to get them to a Super Bowl.

Author:  RFDC [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:25 am ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
Even Wilson is probably not a top 5 QB. Here are mine:

Manning
Rodgers
Brady
Luck
Brees

I don't think Luck is top 5 yet.

Author:  veganfan21 [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:29 am ]
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Kirkwood wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
While Wilson is better the question is still irrelevant. The Bears clearly think Cutler is good enough to get them to the SB, and if he does it wouldn't be the first time a QB outside of the top 5 or top 10 best QBs made and won a Superbowl.

Other than Dilfer what other QB in the 25-32 range has won a Super Bowl?


I'll start from non-top 10 QBs, and I'll limit to to making a Superbowl:

Kaep
Flacco
Grossman
Hasselback
Roethlisberger (rookie version)
Brad Johnson
Delhomme
Kerry Collins

On the bubble: Eli Manning

Author:  Brick [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:33 am ]
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veganfan21 wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
While Wilson is better the question is still irrelevant. The Bears clearly think Cutler is good enough to get them to the SB, and if he does it wouldn't be the first time a QB outside of the top 5 or top 10 best QBs made and won a Superbowl.

Other than Dilfer what other QB in the 25-32 range has won a Super Bowl?


I'll start from non-top 10 QBs, and I'll limit to to making a Superbowl:

Kaep
Flacco
Grossman
Hasselback
Roethlisberger (rookie version)
Brad Johnson
Delhomme
Kerry Collins

On the bubble: Eli Manning
The problem is that almost all of those players were relatively cheap. You can overcome a mediocre starting quarterback if they are cheap.

Author:  veganfan21 [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:34 am ]
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
While Wilson is better the question is still irrelevant. The Bears clearly think Cutler is good enough to get them to the SB, and if he does it wouldn't be the first time a QB outside of the top 5 or top 10 best QBs made and won a Superbowl.
The question simply highlights just how screwed the Bears are by paying Cutler what they are.

It's clear they are paying him on what they hope he can be. Every year that goes by makes that less likely to happen. The Bears need Cutler to be better than Wilson this year. Otherwise, Cutler is not good enough to get them to a Super Bowl.


I don't think that's a sound premise. They're paying him the average rate for a QB with his skill set and at his age. The results (and Cutler's results are unremarkable) of a QB's skill set are routinely ignored - all that matters to teams is locking up a starting QB for the long-term (think Andy Dalton). He can get to the SB while being outperformed by conference competitors. They're not linked.

Author:  rogers park bryan [ Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:36 am ]
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This is what a Cutler who gets the job done looks like

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