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Author:  Slap Shot ED [ Thu May 24, 2007 6:25 pm ]
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I love the boys debating this. Nirvana was a joke in my eyes. 'Smells like teen spirit' was not a leap of faith into the grunge movement. It was a song to put the hair bands like Bon Jovi and Ratt and Poison to bed.

MTV played the video" Smells like teen spirit " to death and made Nirvana nothing more than the Buggles of 90's.

Say what you will about Eddie Vedder and his pain in the ass views but Pearl Jam is leap years ahead of Nirvana . Dave Grohl is a better solo act than Nirvana ever was as a band .

Nirvana, most over -rated piece of garbage to come down the music pike in 50 years .
Author:  donspiracy [ Thu May 24, 2007 6:29 pm ]
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Pearl Jam was/is weak. If Andy Wood could handle his smack, they never get together.

Mother Love Bone. Moment of silence. (sky pointing)
Author:  _Mac [ Thu May 24, 2007 6:42 pm ]
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Nirvana, most over -rated piece of garbage to come down the music pike in 50 years .


A bit over-stated, but I agree in principal, Ed.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Thu May 24, 2007 6:57 pm ]
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pearl jam. both were great bands, but 'jeremy' easily could have been as big as 'smells like teen spirit' had it been the first single off of 'ten'.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Thu May 24, 2007 6:59 pm ]
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oh, and as far as montana v. brady, its montana hands down. brady never had to go up against DA COACH
Author:  Slap Shot ED [ Thu May 24, 2007 7:01 pm ]
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Nirvana, most over -rated piece of garbage to come down the music pike in 50 years .


A bit over-stated, but I agree in principal, Ed.


Just a tad. But my point was they were an MTV hype machine and they had videos left and right and Cobain was Axel Rose on Zanax. I thought Nirvana's 1st album was pretty good but if your debating heads up against P.J. there is no debate.

I'm sure Frank , being the Pearl Jam fan that he is can discuss these points a lot better than I can .
Author:  Spaulding [ Thu May 24, 2007 7:34 pm ]
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Both bands suck.
Author:  _Mac [ Thu May 24, 2007 7:43 pm ]
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They suck? Your bar must be pretty high.
Author:  kerchungathunk [ Thu May 24, 2007 8:17 pm ]
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Spaulding wrote:
Both bands suck.



Ding ding ding!! You beat me to it.
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Thu May 24, 2007 8:28 pm ]
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really spaulding? i can understand not liking everything those 2 bands have done, but they both have made some great great music.

nevermind, in utero, and unplugged were great records.

and i know im biased, but every pearl jam record with the exceptions of binaural and riot act (even though i like them they have a handful of good songs) are great records as well.

i dunno if mother love bone would have really made it if andrew wood didnt die. they were more glam rock, and that ship was sailing fast by the time 1990 rolled along. stone gossard and jeff ament still sort of had that glam look at early PJ shows, but they had dropped the big hair and makeup routine by then-- which was wood's trademark so i doubt if he would have dropped that act. pearl jam was just a high energy, arena rock band with a nutty singer who climbed everything he could, almost the opposite of nirvana. and as i said, had 'jeremy' (which has a great video in its own right. if you havent seen it, check youtube) been the first single off of Ten, 'smells like teen spirit' may never have even cracked the top 40.

to ask who is better, i think you just need to look at who's still around. grohl had the foo fighters which makes me think he really should have just stuck to drumming. soundgarden is no more but they had made records for years even before anybody cared about the seattle scene. yet pearl jam is still around (although with different drummers. its interesting though. after wood died, jack irons knew stone, jeff and matt cameron had made a tape of songs, so he's the one that gave the tape to eddie vedder. its cool how cameron is now their drummer and actually is the longest tenured PJ drummer), still making relevant records, and touring and still able to sell out the 15-20K seat arenas show after show.

both bands were obviously highly influential, but as mac said today one of the best things about the beatles legacy was that they broke up, and i think one of the best things about nirvana's legacy is that kurt killed himself.
Author:  Darkside [ Thu May 24, 2007 8:31 pm ]
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I think Bledsoe turned out to be much better than Mirer.
Author:  The Gridiron Assassin [ Thu May 24, 2007 9:38 pm ]
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Pearl Jam gets the nod for two reasons:

A) They were awesome in Citizen Dick

B) Unlike Kurt Cobain, they don't have dandruff
Author:  Brick [ Thu May 24, 2007 10:20 pm ]
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Darkside wrote:
I think Bledsoe turned out to be much better than Mirer.


I think the trading of a first round pick for Mirer worked out well.
Author:  On The Eisenhower [ Thu May 24, 2007 10:29 pm ]
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donspiracy wrote:
Mother Love Bone. Moment of silence.


Don't forget Green River. Pre Mother Love Bone and Pre Mudhoney. Awesome.
Author:  Mustang Rob [ Thu May 24, 2007 11:04 pm ]
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Let's put it in terms sport junkies understand:

Nirvana = Terrell Davis (Great for a short time)
Pearl Jam = Eric Dickerson (Solid HOF credentials, some flashes of brilliance)
Author:  Brick [ Thu May 24, 2007 11:23 pm ]
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Like it or not, Nirvana was the biggest and most influential band of the grunge era. Grunge was the dominant music for the early nineties. I don't know if they are a better or worse band than Pearl Jam, but history will put Nirvana as one of the biggest acts in rock and roll history.

The day that Kurt Cobain died, Nirvana was sealed as an all-time great.
Author:  Tall Midget [ Thu May 24, 2007 11:37 pm ]
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I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I have a question for Frank Coztansa: Does your band ever play in Chicago? I would be interested in seeing a live performance....You guys are good!
Author:  Frank Coztansa [ Fri May 25, 2007 12:04 am ]
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we're hoping to play this summer. the drums on the myspace songs are actually computerized. but once we get a drummer, we'll get shows, and ill make a post accordingly in the music folder

thanks for the compliments btw
Author:  Killer V [ Fri May 25, 2007 6:44 am ]
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While I enjoy listening to both bands (PJ a bit more though), I'll never forgive them for replacing the one, true, pure genre of music on the radio...

Tesla, Bon Jovi, Poison, Scorpions, Cinderella, Badlands, Def Leppard, Motley Crue, Kix, Slaughter, Ratt, Warrant, Tora Tora...

Thanks goodness I still have my cassettes. :D :shock:


On a side note, to borrow a line from Sports Illustrated, I've encountered one sign of the apocolypse...I was in Dominick's yesterday, and the Scorpions' "Send Me An Angel" came on.
Author:  Jim DeRevolting [ Fri May 25, 2007 7:13 am ]
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Keep 'em all... if I want a Seattle based act in their prime, for me it's Queensryche. REVOLUTION CALLING!
Author:  W_Z [ Fri May 25, 2007 8:00 am ]
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Queensryche. Great band. Really good live too.

In some thread on B&B I think, I guess Holmes was talking about Nirvana and it spawned a thread of people talking about Nirvana. I said Nirvana was influencial, but I don't know that they were a great band. I think they were a what-could-have-been--imagine if Lennon or McCartney died after "Rubber Soul" and never got to put out their "Sgt. Pepper's".

Pearl Jam is a better band in that, they were better musicians. What made Nirvana revolutionary was that they spoke to teenagers. Cobain said that punk was dead, but he was a punk at heart. He was unconventional and wild, and unlike Vedder, NOT well spoken. I always felt, when I was a teenager, Vedder was talking down to me. Cobain was saying exactly what I was feeling. They spoke to teenage angst like no one else, and though they made strides with "In Utero", they never got to make their full "masterpiece". Pearl Jam has "Ten" which is one of the best rock albums to come out in the last 15 years.

I listen to Nirvana now just as a form of nostalgia. There's nothing more to get out of their songs. They were a lightning bolt to the music industry at the time, but they fizzled out because Cobain was to focked up to live anymore.

And Coztansa--while radio friendly, I still think the Foo Fighters are a good band. "The Colour and the Shape" is a GREAT album.
Author:  good dolphin [ Fri May 25, 2007 8:04 am ]
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I don't know much about music but smells like teen spirit inspired the ouzo soaked youngsters to tear up the party hostel in corfu when it made it's way over to europe. I am gratefull for it simply for that fact.
Author:  MUScholar21 [ Fri May 25, 2007 8:17 am ]
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Frank, up until now, you had me. But when you imply that Foo Fighters sucks, we will forever be enemies. On a related note, I believe this is how the Hatfields and McCoys began their feud.
Author:  Woodridge Ryan [ Fri May 25, 2007 8:52 am ]
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I like both Pearl Jam and Nirvana, but (here comes the mud slinging) I think both are overrated.
Author:  W_Z [ Fri May 25, 2007 8:58 am ]
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:shock: Duhn duhn DUUUHHNNN!!!!
Author:  Slap Shot ED [ Fri May 25, 2007 8:59 am ]
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Killer V wrote:
While I enjoy listening to both bands (PJ a bit more though), I'll never forgive them for replacing the one, true, pure genre of music on the radio...

Tesla, Bon Jovi, Poison, Scorpions, Cinderella, Badlands, Def Leppard, Motley Crue, Kix, Slaughter, Ratt, Warrant, Tora Tora...


I'm as gay as they come then Killer. I have L.A. Guns 'The ballad of Jayne' and Winger 'Headed for a heartbreak' and Poison 'Every Rose has it's thorn' on my I-Pod. I Would bring drunk chicks back to my dorm at WIU and set the mood with bad 80's hair bands ballads.

I met this girl named Jayne at the Gin Mill down at school and all you had to do was play this 'Faster Pussycat' song and off went her bra and panties. I think every guy in the Henneger Hall dorm had a 'Faster Pussycat' tape. I miss college .
Author:  The Gridiron Assassin [ Fri May 25, 2007 9:05 am ]
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The Croatian bass player Krist Novoselec loses rocker points, and gains "Spinal Tap" points for throwing his bass in the air at the conclusion of performing Lithium at the MTV Awards, and then failing to catch it as it smacked him right across that plane of flesh he calls his face.

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Author:  The Gridiron Assassin [ Fri May 25, 2007 9:09 am ]
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Long Live Citizen Dick!!!

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