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Rivera is a clown. Any monkey could be the Bears DC when the defense is healthy. What sets apart the good DCs from the bad is how they make adjustments (which we NEVER see), how they teach (bring up to speed) young players, and how they scheme when players get injured. (Remember seeing any line stunts during the SB?)

Those are the reasons why the Bears defense has averaged giving up 24 pts a game in the last 4 playoff games, going back to the Carolina game.

Rex Ryan is a much better DC then Rivera. Ryan should get a shot at a HC job long before Rivera.

During the SB Urlacher challenged Rivera's play calling from the field. How ridiculous is that?

Thug wrote:

You miss the point, the Bears will never win with REX, period. Maybe they can draft another SHORT, overhyped quarterback in a few years, the great Jimmy Clausen. Boy, does he suck.

They just went to the Super Bowl with Rex.

BD wrote:

They just went to the Super Bowl with Rex.

BD, they went to the Super Bowl in spite of Rex.

American Factotum III wrote:

Rivera was there for the taking in the off-season, and no one took him. How many D-coordinators coach the defense of a Super Bowl team and have to take a demotion the following year?

Plus, the Chargers didn't fire Schottenheimer until February 12. The Cowboys interviewed him and passed him over. Both teams hired 2-time losers like Norv Turner and Wade Phillips rather than turn over the reins to Rivera.

Just caught this thread. A lot of misinformation here. Some people are really ignorant. Rivera is a good coach. He worked his way up from QC assistant under Wanstedt (making peanuts) to being the D-Coordinator for the best defense in the league in a short number of years. He hasn't gotten a head coaching gig because it's not easy to get a head coaching gig with all of the retread coaches. A lot of teams want experience. He couldn't have taken a head job during the superbowl run. You can't work for two teams at once in the same league, and he wasn't about to walk out on the Bears.
And some of you may be happy with the blitz-happy Bob Babich. I saw Tony Romo, a second year starter, absolutely pick apart the blitz on Sunday. Hillenmeyer coming on a blitz? Hit the tight end who he left alone. Urlacher coming on the blitz? Hit TO on a 10 yard drag over the middle. Zone blitz? Find the man who the 285 pound D End is trying to run with.

A lot of misinformation here. (Rivera)... the D-Coordinator for the best defense in the league in a short number of years.

B Scott, has the rule about coaches changed? Dave Wannstedt was hired by the Bears on January 19, 1993. The Cowboys didn't play the Super Bowl until January 31. I'm asking a serious question here. I don't want to be ignorant.

Bulldog Scott wrote:

A lot of misinformation here. (Rivera)... the D-Coordinator for the best defense in the league in a short number of years.

OK MR.Misinformation... What year (2004-2006) were the Bears the "best defense in the league"?

Furthermore, during Rivera's run as Bears DC the Bears defense gave up 24 pts a game average in the playoffs.

2005 Division playoffs Bears 21 Panthers 29 (this w/ an extra week of rest & preparation)

2006 Division playoffs Bears 27 Seahawks 24
2006 Conference playoffs Bears 39 Saints 14 (WOW :shock:

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2006 Superbowl Bears 17 Colts 29

Is this playoffs points allowed the marking of the "best defense in the league"?

It's my opinion that they were the best D in the league the last two years. I don't think I'm THAT far off base.

And is it that big of a surprise that playoff teams with good offenses would score more points?

Defense wins championships? You're using a cliche as your arguement? THAT is weak sauce.

I don't think that the Bears were the first team to be picked apart by the best quarterback in the game. And it's hard for the D to be productive when they're on the field most of the second half.

Jake Delhome and Matt Hasselback are not exactly the best QB's in the league.

Thug wrote:

Jake Delhome and Matt Hasselback are not exactly the best QB's in the league.

They were both 2005 Pro Bowl quarterbacks. Matt Hasselbeck never picked apart the Bears...and I wouldn't give Jake Delhomme the credit for the playoff game 2 years ago as much as Steve Smith. I believe this is a reference to Peyton Manning.

Manning didn't play against the Bears in all 4 playoff games Rivera was DC. That was my point about limiting the best QB in the league.

I'm not seeing a point really. The Bears have been one the best defensive teams for the past couple of years & would this year too if injuries don't continue.

WestmontMike wrote:

I'm not seeing a point really. The Bears have been one the best defensive teams for the past couple of years & would this year too if injuries don't continue.

One of the best, not the best. Assembled by JA. When injuries or playoff time comes a DC shows his stripes that's all.

Author:	Thug [ Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:18 pm ]
Post subject:	Mac & His Man Crush
Regarding Mac. He is by far my favorite radio personalty (in sports).What really really pisses me off about him though, is his man crush on Ron "Chico" Rivera. Just because the two of them sucked down some pops while Mac was on the beat report in '85 or whatever doesn't mean that Rivera gets a pass on everything. Rivera was an average player during his career. He was an average coach with great talent. Players called him out last week for his lack of coaching ability. Players said "Rivera just expected guys to be in the right spot". That's not coaching. I can see the 1/2 time adjustment now... "guys we're getting our brains beat in. We know what we got to do just go out there and do it." Players called him a "ME" guy. His defenses gave up 24 pts a game during the playoffs. He took a demotion just to stay in football this year. During the SB Urlacher challenged Rivera's play calling from the field. How ridiculous is that? Everyone's so worried about Tank Johnson giving up secrets. Well Rivera certainly knew the Bears overall, more so then Tank. The knowledge Rivera had about his own defensive unit certainly did not help the SD offense at all. I'm not sure what Rivera did to deserve Mac's loyalty and devotion but seriously... Mac give it up, Chico sucks.

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Fri Sep 21, 2007 10:52 pm ]
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i dunno if he sucks as a coach or not. i do know that i could be the Dcoord of the bears, and with those players, id still have a good defense.

Author:	FavreFan [ Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:27 pm ]
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Some of your points seem misguided, though I dont completely disagree with you. Kruetz is the one who called him a ME guy, and even though hes an All Pro Center, the guy is a meathead who has shit for brains. I cant take his opinion seriously, and he said that in response to Rivera allegedly calling Rex a mental midget, and Kruetz is so ultra-defensive about Grossman I have to think that comment was just pretty much made up. As for the defense last year, a ton of it had to do with no Tommie and Mike Brown, and the run defense was just awful. I think Lovie was completely behind the firing of Rivera and the jury is still out on how good of a head coach he is. I think overall Rivera was used as a scapegoat for what was a very flawed team in the first place not winning it all last year.

Author:	BD [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 1:10 am ]
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Somewhat on topic, but Lawrence Holmes continues to say that Ron Rivera is going to be a NFL head coach in the near future because he's one of the better young coaches around. It's such twisted logic because Holmes probably couldn't name the offensive/defensive/etc coaches of 95% of the league, but yet Rivera is better than all of them ? Maybe he is, but how could anyone come to that conclusion without knowing who he's being compared to. After Holmes made those comments, he then went on to say that Babich is doing a really nice job because he's taking better advantage of his talent by blitzing more often. Is this to say that Rivera wasn't taking full advantage of the defensive's talents ?

Author:	Thug [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 7:11 am ]
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Rivera is a clown. Any monkey could be the Bears DC when the defense is healthy. What sets apart the good DCs from the bad is how they make adjustments (which we NEVER see), how they teach (bring up to speed) young players, and how they scheme when players get injured. (Remember seeing any line stunts during the SB?) Those are the reasons why the Bears defense has averaged giving up 24 pts a game in the last 4 playoff games, going back to the Carolina game. Rex Ryan is a much better DC then Rivera. Ryan should get a shot at a HC job long before Rivera.

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Author:	Woodridge Ryan [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:39 am ]
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Thug, Mac has and was critical of the Bears and Ron Rivera's defense after the Superbowl and also after that Panthers playoff loss two years ago. I'm not for sure what pass Mac gave him...

Author:	FavreFan [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:13 am ]
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Thug wrote: Rivera is a clown. Any monkey could be the Bears DC when the defense is healthy. What sets apart the good DCs from the bad is how they make adjustments (which we NEVER see), how they teach (bring up to speed) young players, and how they scheme when players get injured. (Remember seeing any line stunts during the SB?) Those are the reasons why the Bears defense has averaged giving up 24 pts a game in the last 4 playoff games, going back to the Carolina game. Rex Ryan is a much better DC then Rivera. Ryan should get a shot at a HC job long before Rivera. Tommie and Mike Brown missing were way bigger factors than the reasons you just mentioned. Which young players on the defense were not brought up to speed last season? For the most part players like Harris, Manning, Anderson all stepped up and had good seasons. Thug + Lovie Smith = MATCH!

Author:	Mark Prior's Calves [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:47 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Mac & His Man Crush
Thug wrote: During the SB Urlacher challenged Rivera's play calling from the field. How ridiculous is that? can you explain this? i'm curious.

Author:	Score is doomed [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 5:58 pm ]
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Thug wrote: Rivera is a clown. Any monkey could be the Bears DC when the defense is healthy. What sets apart the good DCs from the bad is how they make adjustments (which we NEVER see), how they teach (bring up to speed) young players, and how they scheme when players get injured. (Remember seeing any line stunts during the SB?) Those are the reasons why the Bears defense has averaged giving up 24 pts a game in the last 4 playoff games, going back to the Carolina game. Rex Ryan is a much better DC then Rivera. Ryan should get a shot at a HC job long before Rivera. You miss the point, the Bears will never win with REX, period. Maybe they can draft another SHORT, overhyped quarterback in a few years, the great Jimmy Clausen. Boy, does he suck.

Author:	BD [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:27 pm ]
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Score is doomed wrote: Thug wrote: Rivera is a clown. Any monkey could be the Bears DC when the defense is healthy. What sets apart the good DCs from the bad is how they make adjustments (which we NEVER see), how they teach (bring up to speed) young players, and how they scheme when players get injured. (Remember seeing any line stunts during the SB?) Those are the reasons why the Bears defense has averaged giving up 24 pts a game in the last 4 playoff games, going back to the Carolina game. Rex Ryan is a much better DC then Rivera. Ryan should get a shot at a HC job long before Rivera. You miss the point, the Bears will never win with REX, period. Maybe they can draft another SHORT, overhyped quarterback in a few years, the great Jimmy Clausen. Boy, does he suck. They just went to the Super Bowl with Rex.

Author:	C_Howitt_Fealz [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:36 pm ]
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BD wrote: They just went to the Super Bowl with Rex. BD, they went to the Super Bowl in spite of Rex.

Author:	BD [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 6:40 pm ]
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C_Howitt_Fealz wrote: BD wrote: They just went to the Super Bowl with Rex. BD, they went to the Super Bowl in spite of Rex. He did make some plays in the playoffs to help get them there, but they went to the Super Bowl largely because of a very good defense and Devin Hester returning kicks. To say they can't win Rex as the starting QB is wrong though because we did.

Author:	Seacrest [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 8:19 pm ]
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Quote: American Factotum III wrote: Rivera was there for the taking in the off-season, and no one took him. How many D-coordinators coach the defense of a Super Bowl team and have to take a demotion the following year? Answer to the question... 1. That would be the D-coordinator who coaches in the Super Bowl and then is dismissed after all of the other jobs are full where teams employ the same scheme he teaches.

Author:	FavreFan [ Sat Sep 22, 2007 11:18 pm ]
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American Factotum III wrote: Plus, the Chargers didn't fire Schottenheimer until February 12. The Cowboys interviewed him and passed him over. Both teams hired 2-time losers like Norv Turner and Wade Phillips rather than turn over the reins to Rivera. Rivera might be a bad HC or DC, but I think that says more about those organizations than it does Rivera

Author:	Frank Coztansa [ Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:56 am ]
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the bears and cheifs scores were moreso due to offensive ineptitude

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Author:	Bulldog Scott [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:00 pm ]
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Just caught this thread. A lot of misinformation here. Some people are really ignorant. Rivera is a good coach. He worked his way up from QC assistant under Wanstedt (making peanuts) to being the D-Coordinator for the best defense in the league in a short number of years. He hasn't gotten a head coaching gig because it's not easy to get a head coaching gig with all of the retread coaches. A lot of teams want experience. He couldn't have taken a head job during the superbowl run. You can't work for two teams at once in the same league, and he wasn't about to walk out on the Bears. And some of you may be happy with the blitz-happy Bob Babich. I saw Tony Romo, a second year starter, absolutely pick apart the blitz on Sunday. Hillenmeyer coming on a blitz? Hit the tight end who he left alone. Urlacher coming on the blitz? Hit TO on a 10 yard drag over the middle. Zone blitz? Find the man who the 285 pound D End is trying to run with.

Author:	FavreFan [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:59 pm ]
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Bulldog Scott wrote: Just caught this thread. A lot of misinformation here. Some people are really ignorant. Rivera is a good coach. He worked his way up from QC assistant under Wanstedt (making peanuts) to being the D-Coordinator for the best defense in the league in a short number of years. He hasn't gotten a head coaching gig because it's not easy to get a head coaching gig with all of the retread coaches. A lot of teams want experience. He couldn't have taken a head job during the superbowl run. You can't work for two teams at once in the same league, and he wasn't about to walk out on the Bears. And some of you may be happy with the blitz-happy Bob Babich. I saw Tony Romo, a second year starter, absolutely pick apart the blitz on Sunday. Hillenmeyer coming on a blitz? Hit the tight end who he left alone. Urlacher coming on the blitz? Hit TO on a 10 yard drag over the middle. Zone blitz? Find the man who the 285 pound D End is trying to run with. Well said.

Author:	Thug [ Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:14 pm ]
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Bulldog Scott wrote: A lot of misinformation here. (Rivera)... the D-Coordinator for the best defense in the league in a short number of years. OK MR.Misinformation... What year (2004-2006) were the Bears the "best defense in the league"? Furthermore, during Rivera's run as Bears DC the Bears defense gave up 24 pts a game average in the playoffs. 2005 Division playoffs Bears 21 Panthers 29 (this w/ an extra week of rest & preparation) 2006 Division playoffs Bears 27 Seahawks 24 2006 Conference playoffs Bears 39 Saints 14 (WOW ) 2006 Superbowl Bears 17 Colts 29 Is this playoffs points allowed the marking of the "best defense in the league"?

Author:	Bulldog Scott [ Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:03 am ]
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American Factotum III wrote: B Scott, has the rule about coaches changed? Dave Wannstedt was hired by the Bears on January 19, 1993. The Cowboys didn't play the Super Bowl until January 31. I'm asking a serious question here. I don't want to be ignorant. Honestly, not sure. That was my understanding. I could be wrong.

Author:	Thug [ Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:27 am ]
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Bulldog Scott wrote: It's my opinion that they were the best D in the league the last two years. I don't think I'm THAT far off base. I'll give you 2005. Statistically the Bears were the 2nd best defense. 2004 & 2006 they weren't even close. Unless you want to throw in the special teams last year. Bulldog Scott wrote: And is it that big of a surprise that playoff teams with good offenses would score more points? I thought the saying was "defense wins championships" The most disheartening loss for Rivera was the SB. What was the one thing that could have helped the Bears defense in the SB outside of a blizzard (which is not happening in Miami)... a driving rain. Any 2 year old could see Manning wasn't accurate over 15 yards. He passed deep twice all game. Once for a TD when our secondary slipped. But if you remember Wayne had to practically run backwards to make the catch. And the other pass we intercepted. Rivera was afraid, played soft and we got killed in the short passing game and running game. Hell we were still in it a half time. Rivera could have made an adjustment. But I don't think he knows what the word adjustment means. I see Mac's been on the site but doesn't want to defend his Man crush. That's weak sauce.

Author:	Bulldog Scott [ Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:43 am ]
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Stats can be misleading. A lot of times teams got garbage yards off the Bears because they had an early big lead. Defense wins championships? You're using a cliche as your arguement? THAT is weak sauce. I don't think that the Bears were the first team to be picked apart by the best quarterback in the game. And it's hard for the D to be productive when they're on the field most of the second half.

Author:	enigma [ Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:30 am ]
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The Bear defense was pretty much average near the end of last year and the playoffs, other than the NFC championship game. Tim Rattay picked that defense apart.

Author:	Thug [ Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:51 am ]
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Bulldog Scott wrote: Defense wins championships? You're using a cliche as your arguement? THAT is weak sauce. It's a cliche because generally it's true. No need to look any further then the Colts playoff run last year Wild Card KC 8 Colts 23 Division Ravens 6 Colts 15 Conference Pats 34 Colts 38 SB Bears 17 Colts 29. (7 pts thanks to Hester) Bulldog Scott wrote: I don't think that the Bears were the first team to be picked apart by the best quarterback in the game. And it's hard for the D to be productive when they're on the field most of the second half. Jake Delhome and Matt Hasselback are not exactly the best QB's in the league.

Author:	WestmontMike [ Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:15 am ]
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Thug wrote: Jake Delhome and Matt Hasselback are not exactly the best QB's in the league. They were both 2005 Pro Bowl quarterbacks. Matt Hasselbeck never picked apart the Bears...and I wouldn't give Jake Delhomme the credit for the playoff game 2 years ago as much as Steve Smith. I believe this is a reference to Peyton Manning.

Author:	Bulldog Scott [ Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:16 am ]
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WestmontMike wrote: Thug wrote: Jake Delhome and Matt Hasselback are not exactly the best QB's in the league. They were both 2005 Pro Bowl quarterbacks. Matt Hasselbeck never picked apart the Bears...and I wouldn't give Jake Delhomme the credit for the playoff game 2 years ago as much as Steve Smith. I believe this is a reference to Peyton Manning. It was.

Author:	Thug [ Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:31 am ]
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Manning didn't play against the Bears in all 4 playoff games Rivera was DC. That was my point about limiting the best QB in the league.

Author:	WestmontMike [ Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:42 am ]
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Thug wrote: Manning didn't play against the Bears in all 4 playoff games Rivera was DC. That was my point about limiting the best QB in the league. I'm not seeing a point really. The Bears have been one the best defensive teams for the past couple of years & would this year too if injuries don't continue.

Author:	Thug [ Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:17 pm ]
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WestmontMike wrote: I'm not seeing a point really. The Bears have been one the best defensive teams for the past couple of years & would this year too if injuries don't continue. One of the best, not the best. Assembled by JA. When injuries or playoff time comes a DC shows his stripes that's all.

Author:	WestmontMike [ Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:20 pm ]
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Thug wrote: WestmontMike wrote: I'm not seeing a point really. The Bears have been one the best defensive teams for the past couple of years & would this year too if injuries don't continue. One of the best, not the best. Assembled by JA. When injuries or playoff time comes a DC shows his stripes that's all. I'm not sure anyone's saying they were "the best". But just out of curiosity, who were the best defenses in '04, '05 and '06?