pay him top 10 WR money...
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| Author: | Bulldog Scott [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:49 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Devin Hester |
Interesting topic brought up by Jurko. He is suggesting that you trade Devin Hester now at the peak of his marketability and he is a gimic player. I might not go that far, but what kind of money will he get when it's time to extend him? It's hard to quantify his value, because he's like nobody else in the NFL. There is no precedent for a player like him. |
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| Author: | doug - evergreen park [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:51 pm ] |
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pay him top 10 WR money...
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| Author: | Woodridge Ryan [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:52 pm ] |
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doug - evergreen park wrote: pay him top 10 WR money...
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| Author: | buryman [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:01 pm ] |
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I wouldn't mind trading him for some picks and/or multiple proven go-line or role players. The one guy vs. picks or multiple guys has it's ups and downs but the law of averages says Hester is going down with an injury and will never be the same after. Favre is a statistical anomaly with playing so long. I say do the dam thing. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:01 pm ] |
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That's a stupid thought by Jurko. What are they gonna trade him for? A first rounder that can easily be fucked up? Remember Benson, Sallam, and Enis were top 10 guys. How about Thierry, McNown and Spellman Nobody's gonna give you an elite WR, RB, or QB for him. Why would you trade him for draft picks when Hester already has proven his value? That's dumb Jurko. |
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| Author: | Thug [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:05 pm ] |
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I don't think Hester is going to command to much. Donte Hall (I know he's no DH but he's the only recent comparable player) was traded to St.Louis for a 5th round pick. Hall makes 2m per year. So what are we going to get for Hester who has million dollar talent but a 10 cent mind? |
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| Author: | sportsfan [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:15 pm ] |
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Bulldog Scott wrote: It's hard to quantify his value, because he's like nobody else in the NFL.
I agree with the latter and disagree with the former. His value is easy to quantify with touchdowns and touchdowns which lead to victories. More abstractly his value is quantified by field position and opponents net yards per punt or kickoff. Not sure if there is a stat for this, but I would assume the Bears lead the league in opponents net yards per punt and kick. Trading Hester would be a mistake. You'd never get value for value in shipping Hester away. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:25 pm ] |
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hester has 10 TDs in something like 27 games (not counting the super bowl). the bears O-lineman have 1 TD in the past 25 years. im no GM but... |
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| Author: | Thug [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:26 pm ] |
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NSJ wrote: Bulldog Scott wrote: It's hard to quantify his value, because he's like nobody else in the NFL. I agree with the latter and disagree with the former. His value is easy to quantify with touchdowns and touchdowns which lead to victories. More abstractly his value is quantified by field position and opponents net yards per punt or kickoff. Not sure if there is a stat for this, but I would assume the Bears lead the league in opponents net yards per punt and kick. Trading Hester would be a mistake. You'd never get value for value in shipping Hester away. Great point. How sad is it that the Bears rank probably first in the league in starting field position yet are 18th in points scored. (which I'm surprised we're that high. Our defense must really suck... oh yeah it does). |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:35 pm ] |
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also, even if the bears make a trade and get some great Olineman or a good running back, is it gonna matter if they have rex fucking grossbomb (or somebody like him) under center? |
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| Author: | The Gridiron Assassin [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:51 pm ] |
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Hester is a gimmick player - and I'd trade him for a high first, high second and high third rounder after next season. I wouldn't trade him for fading veteran NFL players though. But at the end of the day, it doesn't matter how many plays Hester plays vs. a regular offensive player. Don't confuse effort with accomplishment - Hester has scored more TDs than any offensive player currently on the Bears offensive starter has ever scored in the same time frame. And he's eaten up huge chunks of yardage. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:55 pm ] |
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I might trade him for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder too. Especially if one is a high first rounder. But you're not going to fucking get that trade. Are you guys nuts. Guys, look what Moss got traded for. The Eagles won't get more than a 3rd rounder for McNabb. Ownes got traded for shit. Those guys are higher impact then Hester. Teams don't give up their draft classes except for Ditka and the 89 Vikings. |
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| Author: | Linda S. [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:55 pm ] |
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This is one of the occasions / arguments I believe J. Jurkovich is taking a side in hopes of getting audience participation. |
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| Author: | Woodridge Ryan [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:03 pm ] |
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I heard Doug and I mentioned about 15-20 minutes ago and didn't catch what it was about but it sounded like it had to do with hester. I don't remember e-mailing anything in, but Mac said something about "Ask Woodridge Ryan" for something to do with hester. Very confused... |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:05 pm ] |
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I don't know Woody. I'm listening to B&B while commenting on this thread. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:05 pm ] |
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Beardown wrote: Remember Benson, Sallam, and Enis were top 10 guys. How about Thierry, McNown and Spellman.
That tiger didn't go crazy, that tiger went Spellman. |
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| Author: | Woodridge Ryan [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:06 pm ] |
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Got ya. I PM'ed Doug about it, but no answer so I thought I'd ask the masses... |
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| Author: | The Gridiron Assassin [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:09 pm ] |
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Beardown wrote: I might trade him for a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder too. Especially if one is a high first rounder.
But you're not going to fucking get that trade. Are you guys nuts. Guys, look what Moss got traded for. The Eagles won't get more than a 3rd rounder for McNabb. Ownes got traded for shit. Those guys are higher impact then Hester. Teams don't give up their draft classes except for Ditka and the 89 Vikings. You're correct. Nobody would trade multiple high round draft picks for Hester. The Iggles stated they want THREE first rounders for McNabb yesterday. ROTFLMAO!!! I did some research and Hester has scored more TDs the past two years than ANY of the Bears skill position players: Berrian, Moose, Clark or Benson. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:12 pm ] |
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Hester has scored more TD's then Berrian? Our number 1 receiver. You gotta be shitting me Grid. |
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| Author: | Woodridge Ryan [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:15 pm ] |
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Beardown wrote: Hester has scored more TD's then Berrian? Our number 1 receiver. You gotta be shitting me Grid.
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| Author: | Irish Boy [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:34 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: hester has 10 TDs in something like 27 games (not counting the super bowl). the bears O-lineman have 1 TD in the past 25 years.
im no GM but... That's dangerously close to Mike North style "the Bears should have drafted Janikowski over Urlacher because he scores more points" logic. |
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| Author: | Thug [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:34 pm ] |
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Beardown wrote: Hester has scored more TD's then Berrian? Our number 1 receiver. You gotta be shitting me Grid.
LOL! |
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| Author: | NotInTheBiz [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:59 pm ] |
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Jurko's got a good point here. There's been much ado made about the high number of kicks returned for TD's this season. I would think there are several teams that would be willing to part with a couple of picks because he would be even more valuable on a team like Dallas, GB, Indy, etc. to even the field a bit with NE. The Bears need a LOT of help. Hester's trade value could possibly get them closer, quicker |
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| Author: | The Gridiron Assassin [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:07 pm ] |
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Thug wrote: Beardown wrote: Hester has scored more TD's then Berrian? Our number 1 receiver. You gotta be shitting me Grid. LOL! He has more than our RB too. He has more TDs the past two years than Marvin Harrison too. |
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| Author: | NotInTheBiz [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:09 pm ] |
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Quote: heard Doug and I mentioned about 15-20 minutes ago and didn't catch what it was about but it sounded like it had to do with hester. I don't remember e-mailing anything in, but Mac said something about "Ask Woodridge Ryan" for something to do with hester. Very confused...
WR, Caught the very end. It was an email that referenced you 2 stars. MJH got a big bang out of it. Sorry I can't provide more details. |
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| Author: | Brian's Mojito [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:20 pm ] |
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That "gimic" is smashing return records and providing his offense with great field position -- when teams avoid him. |
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| Author: | Mac [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:29 pm ] |
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I can help, WR. I was soliciting contributions from first time callers... suggesting we love all the regulars, but we want some long-time guys who've never communicated to stand up today and be counted. An e-mailer very cleverly fired off something like... "Why? When I hear about a tragedy like Sean Taylor, I say to myself, what would Woodridge Ryan think?" There was another thought that followed... something like "What would Doug in Evergreen Park say?" It was very loving. Dutch in Roselle, it occurs to me now, sent the e-mail. I believe you know him. |
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| Author: | sportsfan [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:35 pm ] |
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Looking forward to hearing it in the Best of MJH Hour. |
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| Author: | STU-GOTZ [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:37 pm ] |
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Quote: Mac wrote: I can help, WR. I was soliciting contributions from first time callers... suggesting we love all the regulars, but we want some long-time guys who've never communicated to stand up today and be counted. An e-mailer very cleverly fired off something like... "Why? When I hear about a tragedy like Sean Taylor, I say to myself, what would Woodridge Ryan think?" I do the same thing when Im pinching a loaf. What Would Woodridge Ryan do? Flush or Wipe? 
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| Author: | Keyser Soze [ Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:05 pm ] |
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Mac wrote: I can help, WR. I was soliciting contributions from first time callers... suggesting we love all the regulars, but we want some long-time guys who've never communicated to stand up today and be counted. An e-mailer very cleverly fired off something like... "Why? When I hear about a tragedy like Sean Taylor, I say to myself, what would Woodridge Ryan think?" There was another thought that followed... something like "What would Doug in Evergreen Park say?" It was very loving. Dutch in Roselle, it occurs to me now, sent the e-mail. I believe you know him.
Didn't someone win an email contest doing something similar to this?? |
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