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| Author: | wickerparkpat [ Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:17 pm ] |
| Post subject: | MJ&H---Fans of Jay Marriotti? Seriously? |
Gentlemen: So long as you favor Jay M. from the Sun Times, I'll never be able to respect your opinion on anything other than what day of the week it happens to be. His writing is pedestrian, predictable, offensive, and juvenile. He made, I'm certain, a great writer for whatever high-school paper gave him his start, and maybe his editors require him to cater to a certain demographic, but I like to think you guys are aiming a bit higher. Also, it gets annoying when you guys team up on Harry. That makes you seem like bullies---the kind of guy that we all couldn't wait to stop hanging around once graduation came. Best, Patrick |
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| Author: | nWo4Life [ Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:31 pm ] |
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Quote: Gentlemen:
So long as you favor Jay M. from the Sun Times, I'll never be able to respect your opinion on anything other than what day of the week it happens to be. His writing is pedestrian, predictable, offensive, and juvenile. He made, I'm certain, a great writer for whatever high-school paper gave him his start, and maybe his editors require him to cater to a certain demographic, but I like to think you guys are aiming a bit higher. Also, it gets annoying when you guys team up on Harry. That makes you seem like bullies---the kind of guy that we all couldn't wait to stop hanging around once graduation came. Best, Patrick 1000 bucks says Patrick is a White Sox fan and if Jay started in on the Cubs, he would love Jay. Jay does a good job of selling papers. |
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| Author: | buckeyejake [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:57 am ] |
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jay probably is the best writer in the country. |
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| Author: | Juiced [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:21 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MJ&H---Fans of Jay Marriotti? Seriously? |
wickerparkpat wrote: Gentlemen:
So long as you favor Jay M. from the Sun Times, I'll never be able to respect your opinion on anything other than what day of the week it happens to be. His writing is pedestrian, predictable, offensive, and juvenile. Best, Patrick He may be all these things, but the only one that matters is entertaining. Jay is very entertaining and creative in his writing style. You don't have to like the man to enjoy his articles. |
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| Author: | Killer V [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:35 am ] |
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nWo4Life wrote: Jay does a good job of selling papers.
Well, regardless of how good of a writer (technically) he may be, he falls into the Rosenblog category of "journalists..." saying or writing something for the sole purpose of getting a response, not because you necessarily believe it. 
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| Author: | buckeyejake [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:40 am ] |
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Killer V wrote: nWo4Life wrote: Jay does a good job of selling papers. Well, regardless of how good of a writer (technically) he may be, he falls into the Rosenblog category of "journalists..." saying or writing something for the sole purpose of getting a response, not because you necessarily believe it. but hes doing his job. his job is to write stories that will sell papers and he does just that. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:30 am ] |
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Waste of time. Next time, please use macjurkoharry@espnradio1000.com for thoughts. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:02 pm ] |
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Every article includes: The "Evil" Stoney. How Ozzie called him a burrito. or Ozzie's hatred of burritos How Ozzie called Mags a "Venezuelan S___" How Reinsdorf is cheap, greedy Wrigley is falling apart/has nets He consistently mentions stuff like this, from this last Feb, Quote: After slurring Magglio Ordonez and the gay community, demeaning the heritage of Alex Rodriguez, blowing off the White House for a winter vacation, upsetting the Sox-fan mayor and ordering a kid pitcher to bean an opposing batter -- among so many other episodes, I've lost count -- How old is this? Didn't this all happen a couple years ago? Drop it already. It's stuff like this that makes me think he's just filling in a template every once in a while with clips of fresh material. Mariotti is much better, MUCH better, when writing about College events. MUCH better when he's not grinding his axe. For those of you who think he don't pick on the Cubs, in every article he will mention Bartman, Goat, Towel Drills, and Dusty dude. On March 3rd we were treated to the fill in the blanks article about the Lou Pinella explosion machine. It was about the Marquis situation, and Jay managed to blow it way out of proportion. Quote: One full month before Opening Day, Piniella flipped like Simon Cowell listening to a William Hung solo. Flipped like Simon Cowell? William Hung? Is this 2002 again? This is the hotshot English Major sportswriter in town? Quote: The Imp-Lou-sion was in full burn now. Furious? Imp-Lou-sion? This could have been written by Mrs. McGreevy's 4th grade school paper. How often do we get treated to a Mariotti nickname? Turnoverasaurus Rex, The AlBentross, the Blizzard of Ozz, Carmody Central, Bug Bum Quote: From this point on, a sporting miracle will be known in American life as a ``Hoffarber.'' I don't think you have that kind of pull, Jay.Quote: Not since John McDonough distributed Beanie Babies and Mark Grace told the female fans where he drank beer has there been such breathless panting in Wrigleyville. Don't you have anything from the 21st century to reference?Quote: Here I thought Ozzy Osbourne, the Prince of Darkness, was the sorriest person alive with that given name. This sounds like something my stepmother would say. "That Ozzy is such a terrible person, he peed on the Alamo!"
Ugh. Mariotti seems lazy to me. He does not go to the clubhouses. he prints quotes that his colleagues generated. He shows prejudice in every article. Do people really buy this newspaper to read Mariotti? I doubt it. |
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| Author: | M_C [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 12:54 pm ] |
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damn darkside I have to +1 you for the first time ever, great post. Mainly how he pulls the Ozzie burrito comments into every f'ing sox article even when it is not salient to the point of the piece. Get the F over it. |
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| Author: | STU-GOTZ [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:00 pm ] |
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http://www.jaythejoke.com/ Take your Jay gripes to this website and I'm sure you'll get an audience. |
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| Author: | M_C [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:22 pm ] |
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Stu is that disturbing Chrisopher Walken avatar from a particular film? |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:05 pm ] |
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Mitch Cumstein wrote: for the first time ever, great post.
 Good to see I've got a fan now. It only took 2 years.
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| Author: | nWo4Life [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:18 pm ] |
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Quote: Waste of time. Next time, please use macjurkoharry@espnradio1000.com for thoughts.
Maybe he did and they didnt read it and since when is it up to you who and what people post here? |
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| Author: | buckeyejake [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:19 pm ] |
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nWo4Life wrote: Quote: Waste of time. Next time, please use macjurkoharry@espnradio1000.com for thoughts. and since when is it up to you who and what people post here? and we're off... |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 5:26 pm ] |
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Its always been up to me what is posted here, jackass. I am The Almighty and don't you forget it. |
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| Author: | kerchungathunk [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:17 pm ] |
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Frank Coztansa wrote: Its always been up to me what is posted here, jackass. I am The Almighty and don't you forget it.
Shit! Not only are you the Sentry for the Sacred Sox Section, but now you're the Golem at the Gate for MJH? Wow. That's impressive. By the way, do I need permission to post this? 
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| Author: | wickerparkpat [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:29 pm ] |
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I'm neither a Sox fan, nor a Cubs fan. I'm a bemused spectator of Chicago sports fans. Honestly, I listen to SportsTalk radio as much for the sociological analysis as to hear useless updates on whatever Bears back-up OL pulled his hammy while eating a sandwich in Bourbannais this week. The Cubs overpay for players. The Sox overpay for players. Chicago sports fans overpay for tickets. And Radio hosts are WAY overpaid for talking about them. In my humble opinion.... |
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| Author: | wickerparkpat [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:30 pm ] |
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Oh--and thank you Darkside for pointing out some of Jay's flaws. Appreciate it. |
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| Author: | Killer V [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:19 pm ] |
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wickerparkpat wrote: The Cubs overpay for players. The Sox overpay for players. Chicago sports fans overpay for tickets. And Radio hosts are WAY overpaid for talking about them.
And I'm pretty sure I pay WAY too much for this board. |
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:32 pm ] |
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I hear this myth alot from sports fans that columnists sell newspapers. Nonsense. Any newspaper marketing person will tell you the top four things that sell newspapers are: 1) the front page story above the fold; 2)breaking news ; 3) weather; and 4) want ads. Sports news is in the top ten. Columnists of any kind...news, political or sports...aren't in the top ten. |
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| Author: | STU-GOTZ [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:46 pm ] |
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I find it hard to believe that Jay Makes $500,000 a year according to that website. He does less than Mac and makes a half a mildo? 
See if Nas can get a hold of Jay's W2 and verify that!
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| Author: | Coast2Coast [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:52 pm ] |
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I don't know what he makes, but don't forget that the Sun Times managers and editors who hired and signed Jay were idiots and crooks who took the company to the brink of bankruptcy. |
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| Author: | Frank Coztansa [ Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:02 pm ] |
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Jay also gets money from ESPN for doing around the horn. Agree with Coast about Jay selling papers as well...especially now that you can read him online for nada. |
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| Author: | buckeyejake [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:09 pm ] |
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wickerparkpat wrote: I'm neither a Sox fan, nor a Cubs fan. I'm a bemused spectator of Chicago sports fans.
Honestly, I listen to SportsTalk radio as much for the sociological analysis as to hear useless updates on whatever Bears back-up OL pulled his hammy while eating a sandwich in Bourbannais this week. The Cubs overpay for players. The Sox overpay for players. Chicago sports fans overpay for tickets. And Radio hosts are WAY overpaid for talking about them. In my humble opinion.... you think the sox overpay for sox players, have you seen the money costanzas getting paid by this boards management? |
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| Author: | Colonel Angus [ Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:14 pm ] |
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Darkside, you forgot about his stupid rivalry with Hawk Harrelson. |
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| Author: | Darkside [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 7:53 am ] |
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Colonel Angus wrote: Darkside, you forgot about his stupid rivalry with Hawk Harrelson.
I ignored that. Them two are made for each other. |
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| Author: | Woodridge Ryan [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: MJ&H---Fans of Jay Marriotti? Seriously? |
wickerparkpat wrote: Gentlemen:
So long as you favor Jay M. from the Sun Times, I'll never be able to respect your opinion on anything other than what day of the week it happens to be. That's about as closed-minded as you think Jay Mariotti is. |
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| Author: | Woodridge Ryan [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:46 pm ] |
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Darkside wrote: Do people really buy this newspaper to read Mariotti? I doubt it.
Actually it's one of the few reasons I grab the Sun-Times over the Trib everytime. |
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| Author: | Woodridge Ryan [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:50 pm ] |
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Coast2Coast wrote: I hear this myth alot from sports fans that columnists sell newspapers. Nonsense. Any newspaper marketing person will tell you the top four things that sell newspapers are: 1) the front page story above the fold; 2)breaking news ; 3) weather; and 4) want ads. Sports news is in the top ten. Columnists of any kind...news, political or sports...aren't in the top ten.
While I can't disagree with your top reasons that newspapers sell, I think you are missing the fact Coast that we are also talking about buying one newspaper over the other. I think you then throw out weather and maybe the want ads. If we aretalking about competitive selling I'd say Top Fold and columnists are the top two reasons why one paper sells more than another. I would say your weather and want ads will sell any paper just as much as another paper. I've never heard someone say they have to get the Sun-Times over the Trib for weather. |
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| Author: | Beardown [ Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:20 pm ] |
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You might be right Coast. I might be different than most. I buy the paper for one reason - habit. Usually it's the Sun-Times just cuz it's easier to read. I actually enjoyed the columnists when I was a kid. Now, I barely read any of them. I usually can tell what's gonna be written by the headline. Occasionally some headlines will interest me. I don't think we have any skilled writers that make you want to read just for their writing style. Lincicome, Royko, and Verdi were those types. We don't have any of those types in Chicago now. |
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