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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:09 am 
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Patterson was certainly a disappointment as he was overhyped coming through the minors. Wood on the other hand was put up there with Prior as the next Schilling and Johnson starting tandem. Wood actually showed his potential with how sick his pitching was. Patterson never really showed any domination. I guess it depends on how you measure disappointment.

He was great/good in 2003. Patterson, that is.


He was good for that stretch. Hit in the leadoff position and was doing pretty well there. I wonder if he would have fallen off as the season progressed. I just remember him coming up around 2001 and into 2002 and he was swinging at everything. Looking back at his statline, it is pretty scary. In 2002 he had 142 strikeouts and 19 walks. With Wood it was six solid innings where he would dominate, but it was always the first or fifth inning where he would lose his control a bit and lose the game. You know the talent was there, you could see it. When I look back at what Wood accomplished given this, I am very disappointed.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:12 am 
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Darkside wrote:
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Patterson was certainly a disappointment as he was overhyped coming through the minors. Wood on the other hand was put up there with Prior as the next Schilling and Johnson starting tandem. Wood actually showed his potential with how sick his pitching was. Patterson never really showed any domination. I guess it depends on how you measure disappointment.

He was great/good in 2003. Patterson, that is.

Yeah, and he never really got it back after the injury that year. Its all Dusty's fault. He left him on the field during a blowout.

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Patterson was certainly a disappointment as he was overhyped coming through the minors. Wood on the other hand was put up there with Prior as the next Schilling and Johnson starting tandem. Wood actually showed his potential with how sick his pitching was. Patterson never really showed any domination. I guess it depends on how you measure disappointment.

He was great/good in 2003. Patterson, that is.

Yeah, and he never really got it back after the injury that year. Its all Dusty's fault. He left him on the field during a blowout.


I burned a Cub ticket connection that day. A friend who used to take me to games all the time invited me and we were sitting right down along the first base line. It was Woody Williams vs. Prior. The Cardinals kicked the shit out of Prior and Woody Williams looked like Cy Young. Near the end of the game Patterson hurt his knee running to first. I couldn't hold it in anymore. I just started laughing my ass off. Then all the Cubs fans started filing out in the eighth inning. I started saying, "There they go. The best fans in baseball." The guy who took me was pouting. He's never invited me to a game again. :lol:

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 9:09 am 
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Prior gave up 4 runs in 7 innings and struck out 11

I was there that day, too. I saw you, you jerk!


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Prior gave up 4 runs in 7 innings and struck out 11

I was there that day, too. I saw you, you jerk!


:lol: That was an ass-kicking against Prior in those days.

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Prior gave up 4 runs in 7 innings and struck out 11

I was there that day, too. I saw you, you jerk!


:lol: That was an ass-kicking against Prior in those days.

I know. Im still sick. I immediately thought "He didnt get lit up!!" and that he Beat Woody Williams in the double header during the 5 game series they had in Sep


Fuckin Prior :x


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:shock: The wife and I were at that game too.

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That is incorrect. There are at least 21 pitching performances that have been better.
Make that 22.

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Mike and Mike were debating whether or not the Kerry Wood game was better than any Perfect game.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
Mike and Mike were debating whether or not the Kerry Wood game was better than any Perfect game.

Smart people.

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Mike and Mike were debating whether or not the Kerry Wood game was better than any Perfect game.

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You are on the same side as Mike Golic. Let that sink in for a moment.

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There have been more perfect games in the last two years than 20 Strikeout games in the history of baseball.


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Terry's Peeps wrote:
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Mike and Mike were debating whether or not the Kerry Wood game was better than any Perfect game.

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You are on the same side as Mike Golic. Let that sink in for a moment.

Well, I was hit in the head repeatedly as a child.

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Tim Kurkjian today on Sportcenter was asked if Matt Cain's pitching performance was the greatest ever. He said that Kerry Wood's 20 strikeout performance is the greatest he had ever seen.


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Tim Kurkjian today on Sportcenter was asked if Matt Cain's pitching performance was the greatest ever. He said that Kerry Wood's 20 strikeout performance is the greatest he had ever seen.


He was wrong.

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I dont think I have to tell you that sometimes mistakes in sports end up not mattering to the outcome. Doesnt mean the mistakes didnt happen.



But how far down do you want to break it? Wood may have hung a curve that a guy missed that day and gotten away with it for a harmless foul, strike 2. I don't know. But there are elements of luck in anything. I'm sure he may have made a bad pitch in that game somewhere. Had a guy crushed it into the seats we may not be having this conversation.

Apparently I missed this thread the first time around. I think JORR's reply here nicely sums up the debate.

It's simple really(I just wanted to be like the 12th guy in the thread to say that):

If you think Wood's game is better, you value stats and probabilities primarily over everything else in sports, and pretty much think of athletes as cyborgs, devoid of human emotion. Since RPB admittedly thinks Bill James knows more about baseball than anyone who's ever lived, it makes sense he's in this group.

If you think a perfect game is better - you value results over hypotheticals, but ironically probably have a more abstract view of sports than the other group. You realize that the building pressure of a perfect game the last few innings is far and away harder to deal with than anything Wood had to deal with on a May afternoon.


Rick did destroy the fallable Game Score argument in this thread though.

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Terry's Peeps wrote:
Douchebag wrote:
Hank Scorpio wrote:
Mike and Mike were debating whether or not the Kerry Wood game was better than any Perfect game.

Smart people.


You are on the same side as Mike Golic. Let that sink in for a moment.

:lol:

But 312 is on our side.... I'm torn...

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