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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:03 pm 
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Just saw "MY CUBS GUY" and I asked for the off the radar news.

he gives me Junior Lake!

I am in no way jumping on the Junior Bandwagon! but my guy is telling me his eye is improved drastically, not that many more hits, but many more walks, many less K's and more SB's.

To kinda check and see if there is any UPPED projection on Jr. just saw the Bill James projection for Jr for 2015. (To be honest, I dont even have him on the team for sure!)
But James is dropping a .300 OBP...so nothing great, below average.

Just dropping the info, take it and run!

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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I completely forgot he was still around. Well.....they can use the OF help.


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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:27 pm 
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I completely forgot he was still around. Well.....they can use the OF help.


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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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Peoria Matt wrote:
I completely forgot he was still around. Well.....they can use the OF help.


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So you're saying Lake is roiding? Awesome. They need another home run hitter. I just hope he doesn't leave a game early.


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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:20 pm 
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I predict....

Mike Olt nails down the 3B job and Bryant is roaming LF sooner than we expected. That's of course if the Cub don't end up signing Chase Headley.


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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 8:44 pm 
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So which winter league is Junior destroying? The Dominican League, the Venezuelan League or the powerhouse Mexican League?


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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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bigfan wrote:
Just saw "MY CUBS GUY" and I asked for the off the radar news.

he gives me Junior Lake!

I am in no way jumping on the Junior Bandwagon! but my guy is telling me his eye is improved drastically, not that many more hits, but many more walks, many less K's and more SB's.

To kinda check and see if there is any UPPED projection on Jr. just saw the Bill James projection for Jr for 2015. (To be honest, I dont even have him on the team for sure!)
But James is dropping a .300 OBP...so nothing great, below average.

Just dropping the info, take it and run!


Your Cubs guy must read Bleacher Nation...here is what Brett had on Dec. 7 2014

"I’m not going to argue that a single offseason league should change your perspective on a player who may have otherwise looked lost in the big leagues, so don’t take this as that. But the caliber of competition in the Dominican Winter League ranges from upper minors to legit big league talent, so, if the sample size is large enough, you can take a little something away from it. That’s my preamble to noting just how good Junior Lake has been in the DR this year. He’s hitting .276/.421/.410, which gives him the 6th best OPS in the league. That .421 OBP is third best. (He’s a perfect 16 for 16 in stolen base attempts, for good measure.) To be sure, the guys around in in the stats tend to be fringe big leaguers, not unlike Lake, himself, and Lake put up an .843 OPS in the league last year. We saw how much that helped him in the bigs in 2014. But, the thing is, his performance is fundamentally different this year. In 2013, Lake’s OPS was built primarily on a huge BABIP and decent slugging – he took just 7 walks the entire DWL year. That was quintessential Lake, and was a summation of his raw talent … and questionable sustainability. This year? Lake’s hitting only .276 and he’s slugging only .410. But he’s walked 21(!) times for a walk rate higher than 16%(!). In the big leagues last year, Lake walked just 4.3% of the time. Walks are not uncommon in the DWL, but they have been for Lake until this year. (In case you’re wondering, Lake did walk a fair bit more in 2012 in the DWL, but the rate was still solidly under 10%.)
And then there’s this part, which is probably meaningless because of the sample size, but, following a demotion in August, Lake returned in September and had a walk rate near 20% to round out the year. Did he start working on some adjustments during the demotion, and he’s carrying them forward into the DWL? Is he trying to change his game from that of a slugger to a patient, walk-oriented hitter who takes advantage of his speed more than his power? We won’t know for sure for a while, and Lake’s strikeout rate remains enormous. But I’m suddenly far more intrigued to see what his approach looks like in Spring Training than I was a few months ago, when, I’ll be completely honest, I’d started to think he was done with the Cubs. The extreme change in his walk rate, over nearly 150 plate appearances between the DWL and September in the big leagues, is so profound that it’s hard not to take notice. You just don’t see guys go from 4/5% to 16/17% in a single year like that.
Can Lake win a job on the Cubs to open the season? Well, the answer to “can” is “of course.” But whether it actually happens will depend on a variety of factors, not all of which is within Lake’s control. Do the Cubs add a clear starter in the outfield? Are there injuries? Is there space to carry a project on the bench? Lake has an option left, so the Cubs may elect simply to send him to Iowa to start the year to see how his adjustments are playing there. It seems a lot less likely at this point that he’ll be dumped off of the 40-man roster for nothing."

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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bigfan wrote:
Just saw "MY CUBS GUY" and I asked for the off the radar news.

he gives me Junior Lake!

I am in no way jumping on the Junior Bandwagon! but my guy is telling me his eye is improved drastically, not that many more hits, but many more walks, many less K's and more SB's.

To kinda check and see if there is any UPPED projection on Jr. just saw the Bill James projection for Jr for 2015. (To be honest, I dont even have him on the team for sure!)
But James is dropping a .300 OBP...so nothing great, below average.

Just dropping the info, take it and run!


He only has one eye?

Typical shitty Cubs scouting.


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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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Cub fans are something else.. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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Cub fans are something else.. :lol:


Right. I mean Junior Lake. Really?

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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So the part when I said "I forgot about him"...made you think I have high hopes for him?

Somewhere on the interweb is also an article about him being the next Carlos Gomez as well.

Big guy with tons of atheticism, just cant play baseball that well

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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So which winter league is Junior destroying? The Dominican League, the Venezuelan League or the powerhouse Mexican League?



California penal, of course.

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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The Cubs need their own personal Absolom where they can banish all of their toolsey outfielders who cant play baseball worth a lick. Corey/Eric Patterson, Freddie Bynum, Felix Pie, Sam Fuld, Tony Campana, Brett Jackson and Matt Szczur will be waiting to receive Junior Lake when his time comes.

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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I don't get it.

Does Junior Lake like the nose candy?

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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Does Junior Lake look like Chuck McElroy?

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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I don't get it.

Does Junior Lake like the nose candy?


no, that is bigfan sitting shirtless in his front row seats with the beard

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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Lake is playing with Manny so maybe he will learn something.

Tons of upside but also close to being a AAAA guy.


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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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I wouldn't give up on Lake quite yet. I would like to see him platoon with Coghlin in LF but the Cubs just acquired D'onofrio for that.

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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I pretty much gave up on Lake as anything but a pinch runner and extra outfielder. But he has a lot of athletic ability and some pop....when he makes contact. It would be great if he were to be a late bloomer who figured it all out.

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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http://www.bleachernation.com/2015/01/15/junior-lake-apparently-made-some-changes-in-the-dwl-and-hes-been-a-walk-machine/

Junior Lake has been having a fantastic Dominican Winter League season, particularly in terms of plate discipline. He finished the regular season with a walk rate around 17%(!), which is a pretty dramatic change for a guy whose big league walk rate is just 4.7%, whose minor league walk rate is 6.0%, and who’d never before posted a walk rate over 10% in the DWL.

Something was pretty clearly different about what Lake was trying to do in the DWL this year than in the past. His strikeout rate remained elevated, but his power has been way down (a mere .100 ISO for Lake, which is pretty far down from his usual .140ish range). Rather than a hack for power high-strikeout no-walk guy, Lake has been a, well, no-power high-walk guy. He stole 21 bases and was caught just twice, to boot.

Does any of this mean anything? Not necessarily, because there are always the caveats of offseason league and smaller sample size (though it’s more than 170 plate appearances, which isn’t that small for walk and strikeout rates). But if we pair the numbers with something we can see with our eyes, we can at least conclude that the numbers probably aren’t coming out of nowhere.

Look at something Stan @Crewsett pointed out yesterday on Twitter: Wish I had better quality picture from last night's game, but check out Lake's stances from 11/12, 6/14, and 1/15: https://twitter.com/Crewsett/status/555458124468207617/photo/1

That last one is a very obvious change even from how Lake looked this past season – he’s much lower, with his knees significantly more bent.

Why might that matter in the context discussed above? Well, Lake’s biggest contact problem has come on pitches at the bottom of the strike zone, so lowering his body – if he can sustain it – could help. Lake has always had some contact issues, but it’s interesting to think about this: Lake went through a very late, very significant growth spurt. If my memory is accurate, before 2011, some accounts had Lake – then 19/20 – right around 6′ or a hair under. Within a year, Lake was listed at 6’2″, and now he’s pushing 6’3″/6’4″. Although my mom always told me that my growth spurt might come in my early 20s (it didn’t), that’s extremely rare. If a guy developed his plate approach and plate coverage for years at 6′ or under, might it not take a while to adjust – while you’re doing all the other adjusting that pro players have to do as they move up the ladder – to a much taller frame? It’s not something that most players have to deal with after about age 18. I won’t pretend to know the mechanics involved here, but it’s not too hard to see why a guy who went through a sudden, significant, late growth spurt might not be covering the bottom of the zone as well as he should.

Of course, the counter to that is … but he’s still striking out a lot (nearly 30% in the DWL this year). If I tried to explain, I’d only be guessing. Maybe he’s working deeper counts, and maybe there’s still a healthy chunk of swing-and-miss in his game. Maybe the stance change isn’t helping on the swing, but is helping him see low pitches out of the strike zone better. Maybe the stance change isn’t helping at all, but he simultaneously made an approach change that is working (at least on the walk side). All just guesses.

In the end, what we know is: Lake is a super talented guy who has been very erratic at the plate throughout his career. He’s got a lot of swing-and-miss in his game, especially down in the zone. He appears to be working specifically on that this offseason (with mixed results), and he’s taking a ton of walks and hitting for less power.

That may translate to something useful at the big league level, and it might not. Time will tell.

Given the Cubs’ apparent desire to add another regular outfielder, it’s going to be tough for Lake to crack the Opening Day roster. But if he’s overhauled his stance and approach, maybe that’s not the worst thing in the world. He’s got an option left, so the Cubs could let him keep working at AAA Iowa, and see if he’ll be a late bloomer (not that late – he turns 25 in March). The athleticism has always been off the charts, and, as he grows more comfortable in the outfield (which is also relatively new for him), it’s not impossible to see him emerging as a guy who can play all over the outfield in a reserve role. Assuming some of the offensive changes are meaningful, that is.

The good news for the Cubs is that (1) they’re not counting on Lake to provide anything in 2015, so, if he doesn’t, there’s no loss, and (2) rolling the dice on the small chance he’s actually made a change he can successfully implement costs nothing more than a 40-man spot in 2015.

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 Post subject: Re: Junior Lake
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Might need a new Cub guy soon, my guy might be gone! not to his own liking

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