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PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 2:52 am 
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Pretty good discussion on Locked On Cubs this week :

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as I've said before, if you are a fat guy who uses the nickname Boog professionally, you should be unconventional and fun. Boog is as bland as plain yogurt. Some people crave that out of their broadcast. I think he is annoyingly plain

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I think some of that is dictated by his bosses.

I think he does a quality broadcast when he doesn't get too much into analytics. My pet peeve is when he says a ball had an exit velocity of 101.3 mph. First off, 101 is fine, you don't need the extra two syllables for .3 because nobody listening has a fucking clue if 101.3 and 101.7 are really any different for a fielder. Second, why not just say "it was hit hard, most of the time that falls in for a hit." We believe you, we don't need an advanced statistics class.

But that's why I think he's better on the radio call. He doesn't have time for that, he has to say all the stuff that is on the screen on a TV call, like the count and the guys on base and how many pitches the pitcher has thrown.

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But that's why I think he's better on the radio call. He doesn't have time for that, he has to say all the stuff that is on the screen on a TV call, like the count and the guys on base and how many pitches the pitcher has thrown.


You make a really good point here that I've never thought about. The cluttering of the screen in recent years has taken a lot of traditional talking points away from the broadcasters, which has freed them up to go into the more esoteric stuff like launch angle and exit velocity.

I saw a video a while ago about how while the move to HDTV hasn't hurt baseball telecasts, it has done them by far the least good, because the book on how to broadcast a baseball game has more or less been written and can't really be added to. Without even taking resolution into account, which was downright revelatory for hockey, going from 4:3 to 16:9 changes the entire way you televise a game on a long rectangular playing field: there's just so much more screen and so many more opportunities to watch plays develop. What do those technological upgrades do for baseball, which is still primarily a hard camera 400+ feet away from guys standing still? Not a lot. Arne Harris could come back from the dead tomorrow and pretty much pick up where he left off, though at first he'd probably smell pretty bad.

So absent all these other improvements, the only way you can really innovate is to put more and more stats on the screen. And, of course, gambling.

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as I've said before, if you are a fat guy who uses the nickname Boog professionally, you should be unconventional and fun. Boog is as bland as plain yogurt. Some people crave that out of their broadcast. I think he is annoyingly plain



He absolutley sux, with his analytics bullshit.
He is actually a good radio voice. He sounded good doin' the MLB playoff games on radio (Yankees vs Royals).


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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
I think some of that is dictated by his bosses.

I think he does a quality broadcast when he doesn't get too much into analytics. My pet peeve is when he says a ball had an exit velocity of 101.3 mph. First off, 101 is fine, you don't need the extra two syllables for .3 because nobody listening has a fucking clue if 101.3 and 101.7 are really any different for a fielder. Second, why not just say "it was hit hard, most of the time that falls in for a hit." We believe you, we don't need an advanced statistics class.




Correct. Harry Caray would say it was a smash. Or line drive. What's wrong with that? We can tell something was hit hard by how it looks on TV, and the sound of the bat. Why do I need a dumb exit velocity?


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I understand why they talk about exit velocity, because all the Statcast data shows that above a particular velocity, increased velocity correlates well with increased slugging percentage.

But... put it on the fucking screen bug like they do pitch velocity and explain once per game that anything over X is really good and leave it alone.

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It is similar to Win Probability

they had a 93% chance of winning...until they didn't...and then they lost


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Boog regularly insuts JD's era & players as being less cererbal than today's primadonnas. Not knowing the strike zone as well, understanding spin rate and exit velo importance. JD gives delayed short I think we knew the game quite well back then responses. JD could easily but never does bring up the slew of pitcher's injuries in Boog's today's baseball.


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Boog makes Len Kasper look like Vin Scully.

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Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
I think some of that is dictated by his bosses.

I think he does a quality broadcast when he doesn't get too much into analytics. My pet peeve is when he says a ball had an exit velocity of 101.3 mph. First off, 101 is fine, you don't need the extra two syllables for .3 because nobody listening has a fucking clue if 101.3 and 101.7 are really any different for a fielder. Second, why not just say "it was hit hard, most of the time that falls in for a hit." We believe you, we don't need an advanced statistics class.

But that's why I think he's better on the radio call. He doesn't have time for that, he has to say all the stuff that is on the screen on a TV call, like the count and the guys on base and how many pitches the pitcher has thrown.



Why does anyone but a blind person need a television play-by-play guy to tell him a ball was hit hard? Aren't you watching?

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[Arne Harris could come back from the dead tomorrow and pretty much pick up where he left off, though at first he'd probably smell pretty bad.


Interesting.

Would he have self-directed mobility like a child or would he be more vegetative with the ability to communicate "Camera 1, Camera 2, This game sucks get me a boob shot" nonverbally?

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Rod wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
I think some of that is dictated by his bosses.

I think he does a quality broadcast when he doesn't get too much into analytics. My pet peeve is when he says a ball had an exit velocity of 101.3 mph. First off, 101 is fine, you don't need the extra two syllables for .3 because nobody listening has a fucking clue if 101.3 and 101.7 are really any different for a fielder. Second, why not just say "it was hit hard, most of the time that falls in for a hit." We believe you, we don't need an advanced statistics class.

But that's why I think he's better on the radio call. He doesn't have time for that, he has to say all the stuff that is on the screen on a TV call, like the count and the guys on base and how many pitches the pitcher has thrown.



Why does anyone but a blind person need a television play-by-play guy to tell him a ball was hit hard? Aren't you watching?


Reason #76 why baseball is dying.


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Rod wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
I think some of that is dictated by his bosses.

I think he does a quality broadcast when he doesn't get too much into analytics. My pet peeve is when he says a ball had an exit velocity of 101.3 mph. First off, 101 is fine, you don't need the extra two syllables for .3 because nobody listening has a fucking clue if 101.3 and 101.7 are really any different for a fielder. Second, why not just say "it was hit hard, most of the time that falls in for a hit." We believe you, we don't need an advanced statistics class.

But that's why I think he's better on the radio call. He doesn't have time for that, he has to say all the stuff that is on the screen on a TV call, like the count and the guys on base and how many pitches the pitcher has thrown.



Why does anyone but a blind person need a television play-by-play guy to tell him a ball was hit hard? Aren't you watching?


IMU claimed he liked it:

viewtopic.php?f=92&t=122440&hilit=Exit+velocity


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Rod wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
I think some of that is dictated by his bosses.

I think he does a quality broadcast when he doesn't get too much into analytics. My pet peeve is when he says a ball had an exit velocity of 101.3 mph. First off, 101 is fine, you don't need the extra two syllables for .3 because nobody listening has a fucking clue if 101.3 and 101.7 are really any different for a fielder. Second, why not just say "it was hit hard, most of the time that falls in for a hit." We believe you, we don't need an advanced statistics class.

But that's why I think he's better on the radio call. He doesn't have time for that, he has to say all the stuff that is on the screen on a TV call, like the count and the guys on base and how many pitches the pitcher has thrown.



Why does anyone but a blind person need a television play-by-play guy to tell him a ball was hit hard? Aren't you watching?


cubs fans, for my entire life, have cheered when thinking warning track balls would be home runs. You can hear it on broadcasts.

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Rod wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
I think some of that is dictated by his bosses.

I think he does a quality broadcast when he doesn't get too much into analytics. My pet peeve is when he says a ball had an exit velocity of 101.3 mph. First off, 101 is fine, you don't need the extra two syllables for .3 because nobody listening has a fucking clue if 101.3 and 101.7 are really any different for a fielder. Second, why not just say "it was hit hard, most of the time that falls in for a hit." We believe you, we don't need an advanced statistics class.

But that's why I think he's better on the radio call. He doesn't have time for that, he has to say all the stuff that is on the screen on a TV call, like the count and the guys on base and how many pitches the pitcher has thrown.



Why does anyone but a blind person need a television play-by-play guy to tell him a ball was hit hard? Aren't you watching?


cubs fans, for my entire life, have cheered when thinking warning track balls would be home runs. You can hear it on broadcasts.

Before 1984, cub scout troops would fill the half empty park and chant, "We want a hit." Post 1984, it's backward hat ass clowns and tourists. I mean, I guess they're "cub fans".


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good dolphin wrote:
Rod wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
I think some of that is dictated by his bosses.

I think he does a quality broadcast when he doesn't get too much into analytics. My pet peeve is when he says a ball had an exit velocity of 101.3 mph. First off, 101 is fine, you don't need the extra two syllables for .3 because nobody listening has a fucking clue if 101.3 and 101.7 are really any different for a fielder. Second, why not just say "it was hit hard, most of the time that falls in for a hit." We believe you, we don't need an advanced statistics class.

But that's why I think he's better on the radio call. He doesn't have time for that, he has to say all the stuff that is on the screen on a TV call, like the count and the guys on base and how many pitches the pitcher has thrown.



Why does anyone but a blind person need a television play-by-play guy to tell him a ball was hit hard? Aren't you watching?


cubs fans, for my entire life, have cheered when thinking warning track balls would be home runs. You can hear it on broadcasts.



this happens in every ballpark

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SuperNintendoHjalmarsson wrote:
good dolphin wrote:
Rod wrote:
Chet Coppock's Fur Coat wrote:
I think some of that is dictated by his bosses.

I think he does a quality broadcast when he doesn't get too much into analytics. My pet peeve is when he says a ball had an exit velocity of 101.3 mph. First off, 101 is fine, you don't need the extra two syllables for .3 because nobody listening has a fucking clue if 101.3 and 101.7 are really any different for a fielder. Second, why not just say "it was hit hard, most of the time that falls in for a hit." We believe you, we don't need an advanced statistics class.

But that's why I think he's better on the radio call. He doesn't have time for that, he has to say all the stuff that is on the screen on a TV call, like the count and the guys on base and how many pitches the pitcher has thrown.



Why does anyone but a blind person need a television play-by-play guy to tell him a ball was hit hard? Aren't you watching?


cubs fans, for my entire life, have cheered when thinking warning track balls would be home runs. You can hear it on broadcasts.



this happens in every ballpark

The five people cheering at Guaranteed Rate doesn't come through very well on the broadcast.

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I wasn't a fan of his when I heard he got hired because he was another national guy who they were trying to sell as a local guy.

I started to actually like him beginning of last year as he seemed to tone done the silliness like talking about anime dolls during the broadcast. He and JD seemed to finally be in sync and have a natural repertoire with each other.

Then in the middle of the summer he seemed to go anti-JD which was baffling. I don't mind all the analytics shit he talks about, I just ignore it. But when he got on JD about 'when you played' it sounded like he was disparaging him. And when he talks analytics he comes off as a pompous ass like the average baseball fan is an idiot.

I don't really care though. Marquee sucks anyway so Boog is the perfect fit for a outfit like Marquee. The radio guys are just as bad.


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