Watching this guy bash on Home Run Derby makes me ask again: Why the fuck did Hendry give up all that talent for Garza when Gonzalez was available? Talk about a franchise player!

Thanks alot Hendry you fucking moron.

Gonzalez signed a 7yr/$154M extension. The Cubs are not going to sign a player to that kind of money. Pujols and Fielder included.

Except for Soriano.

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Garza has been a major disapointment too. Very inconsistent. The Cubs have been one big handjob this year with Hendry being the vaseline.

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favrefan said:"Chris Coghlan isn't gonna pay your rent, Jimmy."

Right. I should have said they're not going to sign another player for that kind of money.

You are probably right. Certainly can't spend money on superstar talent right Ricketts?

No player is worth that contract. That's just fucking insane.

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

None of them are worth what they make. Overpaid assbags playing a game they should play for the love of it alone. It must change soon. I am not poor but I cannot afford to go see a game anymore. It sickens me that I cannot share my love of MLB with my kids. But my 1200 dollars is better spent elsewhere. That money gets me farther at an amusement park or taking little trips close to home than a 2 1/2 hr baseball game to support arrogant jerk offs.

There are actually rumors that the Sawx are interested in Garza.

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That's my purse! I don't know you!

Yeah, Hak Ju Lee was going to get you Gonzalez.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

They were gushing over him in the futures game. I wonder how he will hit in the majors?


Scooter, 1200$?

Do you have 9 kids?


I know its not cheap but it shouldnt be more than 60$ a person tops and thats allowing for like 20$ for food etc.

Right. Just crazy fantasy GM'ing

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Team Cutler.

It was widely rumored that Gordon Beckham, among other prospects, could have...

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Its funny...becuase its true.


A Beckham for Fielder trade was also a rumor

I am little sick of seeing/hearing people that want these big money players for the Cubs. These are the same folks that are mad at Hendry for signing Soriano and extending Zambrano. When he signed Soriano, he was a 40/40 player. You either want the Cubs to act like the Yankees and waste money or you want a team that builds from within and adds veterans only to plug a hole or two. Pujols is too old to give the number of years and money that will be required, and Prince is risky with his weight and poor defense. As for A Gonz, way too much money for one guy. The Cubs are probably 5 solid players away from being competitive (90 wins plus), so why blow a lot of money on one guy?

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What kind of money is Garza going to command in 2 years when he is a free agent? At minimum, 60M for 5 yrs. Gonz is not some 'roid freak or shit defensive player like Soriano. He is probably the top hitter in MLB right now and has the power stats as well. And they have no 1B in the system worth a shit so they give Pena 10M instead. Great plan there!

But with A Gonz, you are stuck with the contract. With Garza, you don't have to sign him if that is the cost. So your choice is locking in a known expensive contract vs. a guy you don't have to pay, and that's a big difference. The fact that the Cubs gave up a lot to get Garza is irrelevant because that is a sunk cost.

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Hawaii (fuck) You

I'm not terribly interested in defending Hendry, but why would you assume that he *chose* to go after Garza instead of Gonzalez? Isn't it possible that the Cubs tried very hard to get Gonzalez, but the Padres preferred the Sox's offer? And then - a month later - the Cubs added Garza?

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Hendry expressed zero interest in Gonzalez. None. They they give up 4 quality prospects for Garza.

I think you are mistaken on that. And I'm not sure how any of us could know for sure.

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Four? Your counting 2 of Fuld, Chironos and Guyer as quality? And how exactly do you know the amount of interest Hendry had in Gonzalez?

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archives/2 ... 2410_1.php

Ken Rosenthal disagrees with you there.

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But with A Gonz, you are stuck with the contract. With Garza, you don't have to sign him if that is the cost. So your choice is locking in a known expensive contract vs. a guy you don't have to pay, and that's a big difference. The fact that the Cubs gave up a lot to get Garza is irrelevant because that is a sunk cost.[/quote]

So instead of a franchise player, you have a guy you may lose as a free agent and get 1 draft pick back? Or you trade him and maybe get back 1 or 2 decent prospects after giving up 4?

The brilliance of Jim Hendry.

Kinda gets back to my original point. San Diego didn't really get all that much from Boston compared to what the Cubs gave up for Garza. Why couldn't Hendry get a deal done??

Because he is a shit GM.

The Garza rumors were persistent, but never was it reported the Cubs were close to landing A Gonz. It was always Boston. And sure enough...

Here's what they got:

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Gonzo is just out of this world
By Dan Shaughnessy
Globe Columnist / July 12, 2011
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Think about it. Whom would you take ahead of him? At the break, Gonzo is leading the majors in batting average (.354, tied with Jose Reyes), RBIs (77), hits (128), doubles (29), and total bases (214). He’s playing Gold Glove-caliber first base and he’s the No. 3 hitter on the team with the best record in the American League.

Gonzalez will be batting third tonight when the American League faces Roy Halladay at enclosed Chase Field. He was runner-up in last night’s Home Run Derby.

“We expected him to be good after what we gave up for him [top prospects Anthony Rizzo and Casey Kelly],’’ said the Red Sox’ Josh Beckett. “But I don’t think anyone expected this. Not even our guys.’’

Tim Lincecum of the Giants is happy to have Gonzalez out of the National League West.

“It was tough because we did see him so often,’’ said the ace of the world champions. “The advantage was that we didn’t have to face him at Fenway Park. We played him at Petco and at our park. Now being in Boston with that wall, he’s able to utilize it and it plays to his strength. I always knew he was a really good player. Everybody knew it.

“He’s got that beautiful stroke to hit the ball to the other field, like John Olerud did. He doesn’t try to do too much with it. He’s just a natural hitter.’’

Gonzalez is hitting more than 60 points higher than his career average.

“I bet he’s a lot better than you thought he was,’’ said Gonzalez’s former teammate, Padres closer Heath Bell. “When you look at that career average, you have to consider the ballpark and the fact that he had no one hitting around him. He got the 100 RBIs and hit the 30-40 home runs with no protection whatsoever.

“As pitchers, we always said, ‘Why would you pitch to him? Just walk him four times.’ He’s like Barry Bonds. He was the only guy who was going to hurt you in our lineup the last couple of years. We had a couple of guys that were good hitters, but nobody who was gonna hurt you, guys who would hit a double or get on base. We knew he was amazing. Now he’s got people around him.’’

Asked to explain the jump in his production Gonzalez said, “just look at my walks.’’

Yo Adrian led the National League with 119 walks in 2009. Last year he walked 93 times. In the first half of this season he’s got 35 walks. It’s simple. There’s no place to hide when you throw against the Red Sox. Pitchers have to deal with him now.

“I don’t know why anybody would give him anything now, even with the players around him,’’ said the Cardinals’ Lance Berkman. “He has that beautiful swing. Put that kind of talent around him and in a ballpark that is tailor-made for that approach . . .

“I don’t know that anybody in baseball is really surprised that he is doing what he’s doing. He’s off the plate with a long bat and he waits a long time and wears that left-field wall out. That’s why he’s a good hitter, because he sees the ball a long time and has the ability to hit an inside pitch on a line the other way. That’s tough to do.’’

“You’ve got to go up there with a game plan,’’ said Gonzalez. “When you’ve got runners on the bases, you just put the ball in play. Don’t worry about the home run. With nobody on base, you drive the ball more, put yourself in scoring position or hit the home run. If I’ve got runners on base, I just try to hit behind the ball. If the pitch is away, you go away. If it’s in, you look in and maybe pull it.’’

Gonzalez is low-key, almost intentionally bland. Spanish-speaking reporters have tried to get him to comment on Arizona’s controversial immigration law. Gonzalez, a Mexican-American, won’t comment. In any language.

Bell misses Gonzo in the Padres clubhouse.

“He was a good teammate,’’ said the closer. “He didn’t talk to the pitchers that much, but he was always talking to the hitters. His locker was only a few down from mine. One time he brought a foot massager and he let everybody use it. He was always having a good time and letting everybody use all of his stuff. When soccer was big the Mexican flag would pop up. We had mariachi bands playing occasionally. I don’t know if you’re going to get that in Boston.’’

The Red Sox have a fine legacy of lefty sluggers coming up big in All-Star Games. Ted Williams hit a three-run walkoff to beat the National League in Detroit in the magical season of 1941. In ’46 at Fenway, Ted went 4 for 4 with two homers, including a blast off Rip Sewell’s eephus pitch. Carl Yastrzemski hit a homer off Tom Seaver in Milwaukee in 1975 and Fred Lynn homered at the Kingdome in ’79. Wade Boggs went deep in Anaheim in 1989.

You could win a lot of money in a bar tonight with the knowledge that the last All-Star home run was hit by . . . J.D. Drew in Yankee Stadium in 2008.

Gonzo’s turn tonight.

Dan Shaughnessy is a Globe columnist. He can be reached at dshaughnessy@globe.com.


We got Garza: 4-7 with a 4.26 ERA.

It's not that easy. You think Fielder will sign for 18m a year and you think that we would have gotten Gonzalez for same prospect package that got Garza. With what money would be extend Gonzalez with? We don't have any. Obviously I rather have him than Garza if money were no object, but unfortunately it is. Couple that with the fact that this team is 5-6 players away from competing, having Gonzalez with an extension wouldn't affect our championship trajectory.

I realize the reason we couldn't pay him is because of Hendry's bad contracts, but unfortunately there's nothing that can be done about them.

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Team Cutler.

Gonz is earning less than Pena this year. The extension would have kicked in next year when 50M+ is off the books.

You couldn't be more wrong. Kelly, Rizzo and Fuentes are monsters and all three are better than anyone the Cubs gave up for Garza. To equal that deal the Cubs would have had to trade Brett Jackson and Trey McNutt along with Archer and another player AND sign Gonzalez to a monster contract. Boston is in a position to make a deal like that and the Cubs are not.

Right, but then you sink 22m into him and still have gaping holes in LF, RF, 3B and moderate holes in CF, Starting rotation etc.

Not worth it.

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You couldn't be more wrong. Kelly, Rizzo and Fuentes are monsters and all three are better than anyone the Cubs gave up for Garza. To equal that deal the Cubs would have had to trade Brett Jackson and Trey McNutt along with Archer and another player AND sign Gonzalez to a monster contract. Boston is in a position to make a deal like that and the Cubs are not.[/quote]
Archer and McNutt aren't doing shit. So Jackson for Gonz? Gotta do that right?