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just own up to it. Everyone understands the why of the situation.

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Who cares that Ozzie never cared about the fans?

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Nothing would have even been mentioned if it would have been Joe Girardi or Ryne Sandberg that would have been the one to have had made himself available.

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It was so a dick move!

If could get my own dick to move THAT much,I'd be making movies.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 9:58 am 
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good dolphin wrote:
just own up to it. Everyone understands the why of the situation.

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It reminds them of the past walk of shames they have either had to do or have someone else do.

Poor Ricky. Just pretend like those "stare and then look away without making eye contact" looks aren't because of what you did.

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I would love it if someone hired me today and then fired me a year from now and gave me millions so I wouldn't have to work for them. I wouldn't be upset about it at all.

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I would love it if someone hired me today and then fired me a year from now and gave me millions so I wouldn't have to work for them. I wouldn't be upset about it at all.



Yeah,but to have your story played out on the national stage. They made him look like a chump.

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Nas wrote:
I would love it if someone hired me today and then fired me a year from now and gave me millions so I wouldn't have to work for them. I wouldn't be upset about it at all.


You don't understand how special it is to be a Chicago Cub.

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I would love it if someone hired me today and then fired me a year from now and gave me millions so I wouldn't have to work for them. I wouldn't be upset about it at all.



Yeah,but to have your story played out on the national stage. They made him look like a chump.


I would be okay with that. I would be laughing my ass off and praying Maddon didn't have second thoughts.

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I would love it if someone hired me today and then fired me a year from now and gave me millions so I wouldn't have to work for them. I wouldn't be upset about it at all.
So you are saying that all coaches love to be fired?

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I would love it if someone hired me today and then fired me a year from now and gave me millions so I wouldn't have to work for them. I wouldn't be upset about it at all.


You don't understand how special it is to be a Chicago Cub.


Every time that money was deposited into my account I would shed a few tears of joy.

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Why does the dickishness need to be acknowledged. Self evident, but I know I wouldn't mind if the same thing happened to Ventura.

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I would love it if someone hired me today and then fired me a year from now and gave me millions so I wouldn't have to work for them. I wouldn't be upset about it at all.
So you are saying that all coaches love to be fired?


No. I'm saying that coaches that have multiple years on their contracts and MILLIONS coming to them aren't sad about it. They understand the business and know as long as they don't say the wrong things they will be able to find another job.

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I would call a press conference after Maddon is hired and thank the Cubs.

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Yes, dick move.

On a totally separate point.

If I was in baseball I'd make bench coach my goal. Bench coach has to be the cushiest best job in baseball. Your job is pretty much to be the manager's drinking buddy.

You never hear criticism of the bench coach. And when things are going well he seems to get bouquet thrown here or there for a tip he gives the manager while watching the game.

You're shooting the shit in the dugout 162+ days a year spitting seeds and watching games without any repurcussions. Pitchers suck? Pitching coach. Hitting sucks? Hitting Coach. Team sucks? Manager.


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it's running big on YAHOO:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cubs-had-l ... 39501.html


Since the day he walked away from the Tampa Bay Rays, Joe Maddon appeared to fit best with the Chicago Cubs, the young team in need of direction and a sturdier future. Instability, after all, has been a tradition for the Cubs. For proof, look no further than the imminent hiring of, you know, Joe Maddon.

In November 2011, Theo Epstein jumped to the Cubs from the Boston Red Sox. Since then, the Cubs have played three baseball seasons and Epstein has hired three managers. He’s fired, so far, two of them.

Dale Sveum, hired and fired. Rick Renteria, hired and, presumably, fired, and at best reassigned. Lord help Maddon if Earl Weaver becomes available.



The net result has been three fifth-place finishes, which, anymore, means last place.
But, hey, this is the plan, and nobody doesn’t love the pretty prospects Epstein is stockpiling, and nobody doesn’t love the hiring of Maddon fundamentally, no matter how ruthless and cold-hearted it might look. Maddon is the best there is at this, and now he’s a Cub, and Epstein did that, because it’s not about personal loyalties, but loyalty to the plan, and lord help Maddon if Walter Alston becomes available.

In the realm of baseball franchises and the men who lead them, the Cubs needed Maddon more than he needed them. Because they are, no matter where Baseball America ranks them vs. where the NL Central ranks them, the Cubs.

So, it seems, the Cubs were willing – not willing, eager – to trample upon the plan already in place, along with the man hired to manage that plan, that being a wholly decent Rick Renteria.

Maddon resigned Friday. Five days of rumors ensued, many of those involving the Cubs. And on the day of the World Series’ Game 7 surfaced a report by CBS Sports that the Cubs had, indeed, hired Maddon. By Thursday, the Chicago Sun-Times reported the Cubs and Maddon were nearing a “historic deal,” while Maddon’s agent insisted there was no agreement, and around they went.

Assuming the paperwork gets signed, the unfortunate casualty is Renteria, the baseball soul who’d been hired not even a year ago, and who in the absence of public support from Cubs management was compelled this week to release a statement of his own.

“Notwithstanding all the speculation,” he’d said, “I continue to focus my offseason preparation on achieving the goal we established from the start: bringing a championship to Chicago.”

It was so sad. Humiliating, you’d imagine. So humiliating, were the final negotiations with Maddon to go sideways Epstein would have had to fire Renteria anyway, because you can’t have an employee kicked to the curb and then dragged back into the clubhouse and reinstalled as team leader and organizational conscience.

Fortunately, the Cubs could simply hide Renteria in the pile of rubble that used to be their bleachers.

It’s a vicious business with now billions of dollars in play, so it seems there is little room for sentimentality, or yesterday’s decisions. Even from within the vicious business there is gnawing disapproval over how the marriage of the Cubs and Maddon went down, whether the Cubs chased Maddon while he was still employed and they already had a good man who deserved better in that chair. Or whether Maddon chased the Cubs when there already was a good man who deserved better in that chair. Or they simply fell into each other’s arms.

Maybe the criticism is in part born of jealousy, because Maddon, again, is very good at what he does, and he is a wonderful, interesting, smart man whom nobody wouldn’t construct a franchise around. It’s a bottom-line game, everybody knows that, and better than most the Cubs understand what the bottom looks like. So, given the opening, they’d take their shot and undoubtedly would justify themselves as honoring the best interests of the franchise and their deserving fans.
This will pass and the Cubs, someday, will win. In a vacuum, hiring Maddon is a brilliant and even necessary move. Maddon is the rare manager who seems to add wins from both the top step and the clubhouse. He will change the culture at Wrigley Field, just as he did at The Trop. The city will fall in love with him, and he will love it back. He’ll wave at long-suffering Cubs fans from the saddle of his mountain bike as he cruises the streets of the North Side, among them. They’ll toast his arrival with a plastic cup of Budweiser, and he’ll return their gesture with a good Pinot Noir, and they’ll fight a century’s history together.

It all makes sense, and if these prospects are what the evaluators – professional and amateur – say they are, then the Cubs could very well win, and win soon, and win professionally.

If not, someone might get curious about all this change in the manager’s office. At that point, lord help Epstein if Branch Rickey becomes available.

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Nas wrote:
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I would love it if someone hired me today and then fired me a year from now and gave me millions so I wouldn't have to work for them. I wouldn't be upset about it at all.
So you are saying that all coaches love to be fired?


No. I'm saying that coaches that have multiple years on their contracts and MILLIONS coming to them aren't sad about it. They understand the business and know as long as they don't say the wrong things they will be able to find another job.
He gets that money either way.

He has to be thinking that if the Cubs won 90 games next year he'd be looking at a nice extension. Now, he's going to either be Theo's pool boy or looking to be right back where he was prior to being hired.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:21 am 
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Yes, dick move.

On a totally separate point.

If I was in baseball I'd make bench coach my goal. Bench coach has to be the cushiest best job in baseball. Your job is pretty much to be the manager's drinking buddy.

You never hear criticism of the bench coach. And when things are going well he seems to get bouquet thrown here or there for a tip he gives the manager while watching the game.

You're shooting the shit in the dugout 162+ days a year spitting seeds and watching games without any repurcussions. Pitchers suck? Pitching coach. Hitting sucks? Hitting Coach. Team sucks? Manager.

Bullpen catcher also a cushy job.


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hitting coach is pretty easy. Sure they get fired every 2-3 years but they just seem to rotate around the league

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Yes, dick move.

On a totally separate point.

If I was in baseball I'd make bench coach my goal. Bench coach has to be the cushiest best job in baseball. Your job is pretty much to be the manager's drinking buddy.

You never hear criticism of the bench coach. And when things are going well he seems to get bouquet thrown here or there for a tip he gives the manager while watching the game.

You're shooting the shit in the dugout 162+ days a year spitting seeds and watching games without any repurcussions. Pitchers suck? Pitching coach. Hitting sucks? Hitting Coach. Team sucks? Manager.

Good point. The only time they have to do anything is when the manager gets tossed. And that's about maybe 5 times a season. Nice job.

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... So, given the opening, they’d take their shot and undoubtedly would justify themselves as honoring the best interests of the franchise and their deserving fans.


I have two problems here:

1. The fans have proven that the best interests of the franchise do NOT involve putting a routine winner on the field. The Ricketts' & Trib ownership sees/saw the "best interests of the franchise" revolving around the bottom line. The Wrigleys were just clueless, at least in my lifetime. But the bottom line generally stayed strong. That anyone is so deluded to think that a corporate franchise's best interest is maxing profit & monetizing everything is comical.

2. "Deserving" Cub fans?!? What a joke. Why do Cub fans always play the deserving fans (victim) role? Who, other than Cubbie fans believe that drivel?

I'd argue that these are the worst fans in all of professional sports. They haven't won a title in most folks' grandparents lifetime. They've been willingly conned into accepting rebuilding schemes as "The Plan" (that will work, this time :wink: ) for the past 20+ years, yet still fill the ballpark and beg ownership to take their money. They've willingly rested their annual hopes on subpar talent, on the field and off. And they then relish in their poor, whorish victim status right back into filling the Cubbie Conventions and now bitching about the lack of the traditional Cubbie bus tour to Peoria, Decatur, Moline or Springfield. Hell they even get weepy over WGN "losing" radio broadcast rights. As if the frequency of losses on the radio matters.

Has anyone else ever heard the term "perennial losers" applied as such a perverse badge of honor, except with Cub fans? Ok, BoSox fans as well, but now that they've won, they're almost as insufferable as Cowboys fans. Does the sporting world need anymore Joan of Arc type, now self entitled jackalopes???

But the deserving victim status articles have once again begun, just like the start of flu season.

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It was so sad. Humiliating, you’d imagine. So humiliating, were the final negotiations with Maddon to go sideways Epstein would have had to fire Renteria anyway, because you can’t have an employee kicked to the curb and then dragged back into the clubhouse and reinstalled as team leader and organizational conscience.


If that happened, it might surpass the Dave McGinnis fiasco for sheer ineptitude.

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It took a while, but everyone seems to be in agreement on this.

Just in time for Ricky to take his walk of shame out of Wrigley!

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just own up to it. Everyone understands the why of the situation.

Happy rpb?


Have the Cubs officially hired him yet? Heyman/CBS said it was going to happen, but other reports, including Rosenthal, indicated that talks are on-going with the Cubs, and others.

Did I miss the official hire or is it a foregone conclusion?


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It took a while, but everyone seems to be in agreement on this.

Just in time for Ricky to take his walk of shame out of Wrigley!

I don't think you have Spany yet, he is still trying to come up with scenarios that have nothing to do with what is going on. He can't help it though.

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just own up to it. Everyone understands the why of the situation.

Happy rpb?


Have the Cubs officially hired him yet? Heyman/CBS said it was going to happen, but other reports, including Rosenthal, indicated that talks are on-going with the Cubs, and others.

Did I miss the official hire or is it a foregone conclusion?


I think Maddon has the Cubs over a barrel. They need him to sign (especially the way things have transpired) more than he needs them.

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I'd argue that these are the worst fans in all of professional sports. They haven't won a title in most folks' grandparents lifetime. They've been willingly conned into accepting rebuilding schemes as "The Plan" (that will work, this time :wink: ) for the past 20+ years, yet still fill the ballpark and beg ownership to take their money.

What year did you write this post?


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Because what the board really needed was another thread about this.


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I'd argue that these are the worst fans in all of professional sports. They haven't won a title in most folks' grandparents lifetime. They've been willingly conned into accepting rebuilding schemes as "The Plan" (that will work, this time :wink: ) for the past 20+ years, yet still fill the ballpark and beg ownership to take their money.

What year did you write this post?


Any year the Cubbie faithful talk about the inflated prices they're paying on StubHub for games through July 4th; Any year the Cubbie faithful brag about attendance titles; Any year a major part of the north side baseball discussion revolves around the millions people spend to sit on charming rooftops 550-600 ft away from home plate.

Any year the turnstiles spin well in excess of 2.4MM for a second division product on the field. :D

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