Because the AL has the dumbass DH rule. Real baseball has the pitcher batting. Hope this helps.

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LEAGUE average IMU. Do you need someone to explain to you the difference between the AL and the NL? Arrieta gets an automatic out once about 80-90% of the time he goes thru the lineup. Chris Sale does not have that luxury. You can argue about real baseball or the DH if you want. That is a discussion for a different day, as the rule is what it is right now.

Arrieta has had one good season...on a bad team....in the national league. Sale has had FOUR terrific seasons in the American League. Two on bad teams, one good team, and one mediocre team. Instead of splurging from your Cubby Chubby all over the this section with ludicrous thoughts, step back (if thats possible) and look at what you are trying to say. You are attempting to say Jake Arrieta is better than Chris Sale, except that you appear to be too afraid to come out and say that exact phrase.

Because even you know that it is flat out not true.

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Major LEAGUE Baseball

Adjusted for the whole league.

That's wrong. It's based on the league they are in. There are two distinct major lesgues. Arrieta's 100 ERA+ is not equivalent to Sale's 100. If you're going to toss stats around, you should understand them.

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You are correct. I am wrong. I apologize to Frank.

I'm not even talking about Sale vs. Arrieta. I'm just pointing out how silly it is to compare two guys who pitch under completely different paradigms based on offense against stats or strikeouts.

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I agree with JORR about using ERA+ across leagues. Not the best stat to use AL vs NL pitchers.


But IMU has a point that JORR is seemingly talking about how different offenses can be. (Understanding that he's talking about an automatic out-it still goes to show that even "slight differences" make a difference)

I don't think it is harder for a pitcher to get a win in one league over another though. It is harder to get out your average AL batter though.

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The point is a small difference (the 9th hitter being bad instead of just below average) in the offense makes a meaningful difference

But it doesn't show up in a single game. Sometimes Edgar Martinez is 0 for 4 and sometimes Tony Cloninger hits two grand slams.

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Also, a pitcher isn't just a "bad" hitter. Gordon Beckham would easily be the best hitting pitcher of all-time.

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Yes it does. Not all outs are equal. Getting Miguel Cabrera out is harder than getting Javier Baez out and so on and so forth.


Even if Javy went 1 for 4 and Miggy went 0 for 4. Doesnt change the difficulty level in getting each guy out

That's true overall, but not in that single game as evidenced by the fact that Miggy took a collar and Baez got a hit. I assume a home run.

It does become a chicken/egg argument though.

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A really horrible hitter

Average 9th hitter hits about .220-.230 in the AL right?

I don't know. That's probably right over the past couple seasons. It's funny when you hear a pitcher called a "good hitter" and then look at his actual numbers. There is Terry Forster though!

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JORR, you're being silly.

These stats compare each pitcher against their peers. So the differences in the leagues are taken out of it. And it is also adjusted for park factors.

Sale is only being compared to other AL pitchers, pitching in similar conditions.

Arrieta is only being compared to other NL pitchers, pitching in similar conditions.

And in that...Arrieta has shown he is better than his peers in 2014 than Sale was to his in either 2012 and 2013.

And since Arrieta can only face the teams and schedule he is given(and opposing pitchers and whatever else you want to throw in), Arrieta has dominated those guys more than Sale has dominated any thrown at him.

That is fact.

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Much like a Brandon Marshall press conference, this thread has no point.

How does Arrieta compare to the girl from the Little League World Series?

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Gordon Beckham had a better year this year than Babe Ruth.

There - I said it.

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So you admit that he doesn't get an automatic out 80-90% of the time thru the lineup. That is a fact.

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What is an 80-90% automatic out?

Doesn't every pitcher get a 70-80% automatic out for every batter he faces?

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There's a damn good reason Ruth was converted to an outfielder.

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And is that really Ruth? I thought he was a big fat white slob.

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You forgot slow, weak and BAD AT BASEBALL.

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Which is already factored in to ERA+, if you want to call it an automatic out.

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Its two different leagues, IMU.

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Might I inquire as to what objective evidence there is to support that? I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying I'd like to see something objective to back that up. A link or two would be appreciated.

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